The Last King of Babylon

[jasoncran]

turnorburn the BIBLE was compiled by men under the authority of that papal church, please look carefully before call those catholics then and now babylon.

i have many issues with the rcc, but they aint babylon.

you can look any church and see that we are being seperated from the chaff even now.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Not even close to the identity of the world king that's coming in the end of days.

Just say you dont know .At least then you would be telling the truth.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The closest thing we have to 'Babylon' today is called Islam. :crazy Seriously.

That said; it's as if the original poster has never read Dan 8:21.

Please someone explain this theory of Islam being babylon, and where you get it from

Its not.Babylon the great is a city that sits upon seven hills.That city is Jerusalem.

Oh Jerusalem,,Jerusalem.Thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that is sent unto thee.

 

[jasoncran]

though shall not see me again till thou says baruchaba be shem adonai.
please finish that prophecy.

 

[precepts]

I guess this is why it's written that only they that are born of God would understand prophecy and the carnal would never understand. Go figure.

 

[Sinthesis]

The closest thing we have to 'Babylon' today is called Islam. :crazy Seriously.

Please someone explain this theory of Islam being babylon, and where you get it from

It refers to 'Babylon' being used to symbolize the bondage of God's People. It is derived from Judah's 6th century BC exile into bondage in Babylon for their idolatry and rejection of the Law. After the repentance and restoration of Israel, the apostate Jewish leadership's perversion of the Law, and hypocritical insistence that all Jews be bound to the Pharisees' misunderstanding of it, earns Jerusalem, in the first century AD, the label 'Babylon'. Judaism was remade in the centuries after the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem in the spirit of repentance. However, while the self righteous, zealous spirit that had once corrupted Judaism has resurfaced periodically among Jews and some misguided 'Christians', it became most effectively reestablished through Islam. Islam binds Muslims into a system of works in which there is no hope of salvation, just as pharisaical Judaism did 2000yrs ago.

 

[precepts]

Mujahid's
Please someone explain this theory of Islam being babylon, and where you get it from
[quote:lxrnksxj]Sinthesis'
It refers to 'Babylon' being used to symbolize the bondage of God's People. It is derived from Judah's 6th century BC exile into bondage in Babylon for their idolatry and rejection of the Law. After the repentance and restoration of Israel, the apostate Jewish leadership's perversion of the Law, and hypocritical insistence that all Jews be bound to the Pharisees' misunderstanding of it, earns Jerusalem, in the first century AD, the label 'Babylon'. Judaism was remade in the centuries after the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem in the spirit of repentance. However, while the self righteous, zealous spirit that had once corrupted Judaism has resurfaced periodically among Jews and some misguided 'Christians', it became most effectively reestablished through Islam. Islam binds Muslims into a system of works in which there is no hope of salvation, just as pharisaical Judaism did 2000yrs ago.

[/quote:lxrnksxj]Encyclopedia of Sinthesis :P

 

[Sinthesis]

Please someone explain this theory of Islam being babylon, and where you get it from

It refers to 'Babylon' being used to symbolize the bondage of God's People. It is derived from Judah's 6th century BC exile into bondage in Babylon for their idolatry and rejection of the Law. After the repentance and restoration of Israel, the apostate Jewish leadership's perversion of the Law, and hypocritical insistence that all Jews be bound to the Pharisees' misunderstanding of it, earns Jerusalem, in the first century AD, the label 'Babylon'. Judaism was remade in the centuries after the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem in the spirit of repentance. However, while the self righteous, zealous spirit that had once corrupted Judaism has resurfaced periodically among Jews and some misguided 'Christians', it became most effectively reestablished through Islam. Islam binds Muslims into a system of works in which there is no hope of salvation, just as pharisaical Judaism did 2000yrs ago.

So you are saying Islam holds Jerusalem captive today?

No, Islam was born of and is captive to the same hypocritical, zealous spirit that infected Judaism in 70AD. The hypocrisy of Islamic theocracy is even evident to many young Muslims today. It is an insult to God Almighty when zealous pride turns them towards violence as a remedy rather than submit to peace.

Is this a widely held beleif held by Protestants today?

Not Likely

Do the scholars of your religion hold this belief?

Not Likely

and finally, how do you fit Islam into the Apocalyptic scenario accepted by modern Christians?

'Modern Christians' can't even begin to agree on an Apocalyptic scenario, probably because their own fantasies obstruct their understanding of scripture. Pride blinds. Islamic ideas on the Apocalypse are even worse.

are we the soldiers of the Anti-christs army or what?

No, you're just too busy and pleased with your works to accept the vanity of them all. If you submit to God rather than religion, then God will start to show you how the only way to Him is through Jesus.

 

[Sinthesis]

Christianity also went through a long period of violence during the crusades and after that, was that just a mistake on the part of Christians, or at that time were they poised to be some apocalyptic army or metaphore or something?

Yes, and Christians in their groups still go through mistaken periods. Even today some Christians still have fantasies of being 'Holy Warriors'.

How are they worse? elaborate? From my perspective as a Muslim, we all seem to be on the same page when it comes to that. There may be some minor difference of oppinions by the scholars, but all in all we all agree on what will happen.

Are you saying there is only one accepted version of end-times shared by most Muslims?

Now there are laymen such as yourself, who espouse strange theories and try and link them to modern events, but so far, all of those have turned out to be false.

I don't link my "strange theories" to modern events. I only observe how our past world history was prophesied and fulfilled in the Bible.

So the majority of Muslims stick to narrating the hadeeth, and avoid injecting their own theories. In matters of the future us laymen say "Allah hu Alim, Allah knows best what will come, and may Allah protect us from the fitna of the Dajjal"

Yes, Muslims are far more devout than most Christians and even Jews. Unfortunately this devotion is misplaced. I don't pretend to know what future God has planned, only that He will be victorious over His enemies.

thank you for caring enough about me to guide me to your faith, but tell me how many coverts have you won with snooty comments like that one?

I did not mean to be snooty. I responded to a statement where you used the word "we"; so I used "you're" and "your". However, one man's snoot is another man's truth. The first step to my faith would be for you to examine your faith.

 

[veteran]

The best fit to date of the Daniel 11 prophecy of one who sets up the "abomination of desolation" in a temple in Jerusalem was Antiochus Epiphanes in 170 B.C. who was a Syrian. He fulfilled that prophecy almost to a tee, but not all of it. Some claim the pope during the time of the Protestant Reformers fulfilled the role of the antichrist. Yet that antichrist role by its ultimate meaning is linked to that "vile person" of Dan.11 that places the abomination that makes desolate, which no Roman pope ever did. Still we are to look for another coming to fulfill that prophecy.

Will that false one come from an Islamic nation? Some think so, and I certainly would not rule that out. If it's Islam's Mahdi they expect, then truely the religion of Islam would be expected to try and destroy both Christianity and Judaism.

In Daniel's day with the Babylon captivity, Judah's trials came when the king of Babylon setup a golden idol image of himself for everyone to bow in worship to at the sound of the psalter (musical instrument). Islam uses that same type of principle of public heralding times for prayer. At the end of Rev.13 the dragon sets up an image of the beast for all to bow in worship to, and says those who refuse should be killed. Again, convert and submit or be killed is one of Islam's creeds.

But there's more to consider with the times we live in today. God's people also have another threat which propaganda has been at work trying to cause the young to forget. It's called world Communism. The reality is that the threat of Communism is not dead today. Russia, Red China, North Korea, etc., are still ruled by Communism. Many governments in Asia, Africa, South America, and even in western Europe and the U.S. are adhering to socialist doctrines which are aligned with Communism's long range goal to control the whole earth. And is it not strange that Russia and Red China have been busy supporting Islamic nations which are determined to destroy Israel off the face of the earth? Even Ezekiel 38 points to today's alliance of Russia with extremist Islamic nations against God's Israel.

Since Communist Russia and China uses Islamic extremism to war against God's people, then what will they do with Islam once their use for it is no longer needed? Or will the last king of Babylon also be a surprise upon the Communist nations? There must be a deeper reason for the present trade policy and semi-peaceful relations between the U.S. and Russia and Red China. That especially since Red China only a few years ago declared eventual war with the United States of America.

Ezekiel 38 & 39 also shows that in final, the armies of Russia and its Islamic allies will come upon Israel for a total destruction. So it's befitting that the final antichrist will come from that sector of nations, and would likely spring from an Islamic ally to Russia.