The law of Righteousness

[francisdesales]

[Prove from John 6 that those who believed HIM in that very instance started to chew on HIM this very instance. Thank you.

Non-sequitar. No one understood the depth of Jesus' literal insistence, but the Apostles were willing to allow Jesus to explain it to them, since He was the Messiah.

At the Last Supper, Christ would make it crystal clear.

"This [bread] is my Body".

"Oh, this is the flesh I must eat! I believe. Thank you for sharing your life with me, my Lord and Savior"

This is the wonder called "faith". Believing in something not readily apparent or manifested yet...

 

[Mysteryman]

Hi Joe

John 6:29 - "believeth"

John 6:35 - "cometh" to me shall never hunger and "believeth" on me shall never thirst

John 6:32 - "true bread from heaven"

Indeed. And the beginning of the Bread of Life discourse is about believing that God will provide something BETTER than the manna, not a symbol that was just a metaphor. Metaphors do not have the power to bring life to us.

John 6:50 - "This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat (metaphorically) thereof, and not die" < Notice here it says not die, nothing about being hungry.

John 6:51 - "eat this bread" < again , speaking metaphorically. "I will give for the life of the world" < Past tense and present tense and future tense.

Stop adding in your "metaphor" stuff and let the text speak for itself...

Of course, God is the source of our life - and now, if you continue on verse 51 where you conveniently stopped, since you refuse to listen to the Word of God, so you just ignore the parts you don't approve of.....


I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Jesus will give bread, alright, but it is HIS FLESH.

NOT SOME METAPHOR!!!

Bread - flesh... Hmmm. I wonder if the Apostles remembered that when Jesus stood in front of them with a piece of bread and said "THIS IS MY BODY"... :o

Pretty clear to those who are open to the Word.

There is really nothing more to say, except that Jesus CONTINUES TO EMPHASIZE the CHEWING and RENDING of His flesh with your teeth... There is no metaphors here that COULD EVEN MAKE SENSE, since "eating one's flesh" to the biblical meaning, is to persecute someone. Not your invention.

But like Jesus said, only those whom the Father calls will have such a faith.

Hi

Well, I will put in a good word of prayer for your unbelief. At least I am still alive and breathing , and that makes me capable to pray for you.

Remember that I shared scripture with you that the words of Jesus are spirit. Not literal. So that when God asks you at the judgment seat, if anyone ever explained this too you. You can not say, no !

 

[francisdesales]

Remember that I shared scripture with you that the words of Jesus are spirit. Not literal. So that when God asks you at the judgment seat, if anyone ever explained this too you. You can not say, no !

I can live with that, considering the evidence is so stacked against your silly interpretation. You are going to have to explain why you refused such a simply put command with your verbal gymnastics.

"Here, divide this empty cup amongst you"...

"Ah, Jesus, the cup is empty..."

"Well, yea, this emty cup is a sign of the New Covenant I am now making... one of emptiness and of no value. See, an empty cup - it points to the value of what I will soon do... It is nothing, since the flesh is of no value, only the spirit matters..."


:bigfrown

The lengths people go to support their own traditions of men and toss out the Word of God...

 

[Mysteryman]

Remember that I shared scripture with you that the words of Jesus are spirit. Not literal. So that when God asks you at the judgment seat, if anyone ever explained this too you. You can not say, no !

I can live with that, considering the evidence is so stacked against your silly interpretation. You are going to have to explain why you refused such a simply put command with your verbal gymnastics.

"Here, divide this empty cup amongst you"...

"Ah, Jesus, the cup is empty..."

"Well, yea, this emty cup is a sign of the New Covenant I am now making... one of emptiness and of no value. See, an empty cup - it points to the value of what I will soon do... It is nothing, since the flesh is of no value, only the spirit matters..."


:bigfrown

The lengths people go to support their own traditions of men and toss out the Word of God...

Hi

I must admit, that when I read your responses, they do give me a chuckle .

Your colorful commentary is actually worth about And even that is too much to pay ! :biglol

 

[francisdesales]

I must admit, that when I read your responses, they do give me a chuckle .

Your colorful commentary is actually worth about And even that is too much to pay ! :biglol

It does sound silly, doesn't it - which is why it is unacceptable as an explanation.

In all honesty, this is progress, to laugh at oneself...

 

[Ahuli]

[Prove from John 6 that those who believed HIM in that very instance started to chew on HIM this very instance. Thank you.

Non-sequitar. No one understood the depth of Jesus' literal insistence, but the Apostles were willing to allow Jesus to explain it to them, since He was the Messiah.

At the Last Supper, Christ would make it crystal clear.

"This [bread] is my Body".

"Oh, this is the flesh I must eat! I believe. Thank you for sharing your life with me, my Lord and Savior"

This is the wonder called "faith". Believing in something not readily apparent or manifested yet...

Nor did they chew on HIM at the last supper. Pagans eat their gods, therefore, eat your god.

 

[Adullam]

Our proximity to the Lord both in this life and onward is determined by how much we are overcoming sin through the Spirit. God's provision is real and powerful. Our faith is weak.

 

[francisdesales]

Nor did they chew on HIM at the last supper. Pagans eat their gods, therefore, eat your god.

Sure they did. Haven't you read the Bible? "THIS IS MY BODY"...

Ya don't believe in the Words of God?

And which pagan ate their god? I'm curious.

 

[Ahuli]

Nor did they chew on HIM at the last supper. Pagans eat their gods, therefore, eat your god.

Sure they did. Haven't you read the Bible? "THIS IS MY BODY"...

Ya don't believe in the Words of God?

And which pagan ate their god? I'm curious.

They chewed on our Lord during the last supper .... HIS real presence was in the real bread during the last supper .... before He even died? Metaphor, as all the other metaphors He used. Let it percolate.

Starting with catholic pagans, pagans of all time ate/eat their god.

Mrs. Sexton begins her dissertation at the right place, i.e., calling the Catholic practice of Transubstantiation "savage". Indeed, it is, for it comes from the Satanic Babylonian Mysteries Religion. Please allow us to precisely define this term. "Transubstantiation" is that Catholic/Babylonian doctrine which states that at the time of the Eucharist, the bread literally becomes the body of Jesus Christ, and the wine literally becomes His blood. Thus, Catholics eat their daily sacrificed savior, just as the pagans eat their daily sacrifice.

Few doctrines are more spurious than Transubstantiation. Now, let us see how Mrs. Sexton shows how ridiculous and how pagan this doctrine truly is.

"The savage commonly believes that by eating the flesh of an animal or man he acquires not only the physical, but even the moral and intellectual qualities which were characteristic of an animal or man; so when the creature is deemed divine, our simple savage naturally expects to absorb a portion of its divinity along with its material substance. It may be well to illustrate by instances this common faith in the acquisition of virtues of vices of many kinds through the medium of animal food, even when there is no pretence that the viands consist of the body or blood of a Jesus. The doctrine forms part of the widely ramified system of sympathetic or homeopathic magic" ("The New Golden Bough", Frazer and Gaster, 465).
http://cuttingedge.org/news/n2248.cfm

I do hope this gives you pause, or not. :silly

 

[francisdesales]

Sure they did. Haven't you read the Bible? "THIS IS MY BODY"...

Ya don't believe in the Words of God?

And which pagan ate their god? I'm curious.

They chewed on our Lord during the last supper .... HIS real presence was in the real bread during the last supper .... before He even died?

The point of this feeding on the Lord was for Spiritual gain, not to satisfy the stomach. However, for it to be an effective spiritual food, it had to be real, not a metaphor. People don't gain spiritual strength on metaphors, but on the Life of God Himself within us.

You remember WHY the blood was forbidden to the Jews? Now, God was giving His OWN LIFE to the Disciples, to abide in them.

As to eating before the death, I am certain God could handle the intricacies...

Didn't Christ act as man AND as God simultaneously? Are we to believe that the Word of God LEFT the Father for 30 some years????

Let that percilolate...

Starting with catholic pagans, pagans of all time ate/eat their god.

Who? Which pagans? I am curious that you provide me some pagan religions...

And I can just as easily provide pagan religions that believe in a "son God" who dies and rises from the dead.

Big deal. Parallelism doesn't mean association. You have to prove that the idea of the Real Presence was taken from a specific pagan religion. Those who are aware of Judaism will find all the elements of the idea readily available, which is why those Christians, all first Jews, recognized Christ in the breaking of the Bread... To say that the first Christians took on pagan beliefs is to say that Paul suddenly woke up and became pagan... :crazy

Mrs. Sexton begins her dissertation at the right place, i.e., calling the Catholic practice of Transubstantiation "savage".

Who is "Mrs. Sexton" and why do I care what she says about the matter??? What authority does she have? For all I know, she is some anti-Catholic preacher who is clueless about ancient history... Where is the "pagan religions" that "ALL" ate their gods????