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The Mark Of The Beast
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kenan
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If you have the mark, yes you are
. But if you don't, then don't accept it and you'll be with the Lord forever.
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Robert Cragg
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Not to argue but, yes there is the mark of the Beast, during the Great Tribulation for those who are left behind. You however have to willingly take it you can't get it by mistake. I don't believe it will actually 666. I believe the numbers are represented by letters in the Hebrew alphbet.
It is first mentioned in Rev. 13: 15-18, then again in Rev. 14-9-11.
God Bless,
Rob
It is first mentioned in Rev. 13: 15-18, then again in Rev. 14-9-11.
God Bless,
Rob
turnorburn
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UBC on it, which is on just about everything we buy. The clerk will run or scan that product for
identification purposes, those rows and numbers mean something. To use it gives us something to watch, to that computer its something to digest. Look if you will now along the bottom of those rows a few hang a bit lower than the others, their like the teeth in a key, your car key. Now we're
ready to run the product for the price, something we don't want to watch. Each in a sequence represents a number, the man that designed it using 100's of combinations of numbers had to settle on three, want to take a guess as to what those three numbers are? :o
In His Service,
turnorburn
destiny
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Those who are of the antichrist spirit already await and are deceived by their false messiah. His spirit already sits in the temple of the heart in those who "love not the truth".
I was reading Daniel today and some of the characteristics of this wicked "king" stood out to me. I highlighted some interesting points...
Daniel 8:23-27
23 “ And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 “ Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.
26 “ And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future.â€Â
All we have to do is look around to know that transgression is quickly reaching it's fullness through wicked and powerful men. Dan.8:23
We have to know God in both Spirit and in Truth; we really more than ever need to be praying for wisdom, knowledge, and discernment, concerning God and His written word.
I was reading Daniel today and some of the characteristics of this wicked "king" stood out to me. I highlighted some interesting points...
Daniel 8:23-27
23 “ And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 “ Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.
26 “ And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future.â€Â
All we have to do is look around to know that transgression is quickly reaching it's fullness through wicked and powerful men. Dan.8:23
We have to know God in both Spirit and in Truth; we really more than ever need to be praying for wisdom, knowledge, and discernment, concerning God and His written word.
turnorburn
Member
Good read, the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation go hand in hand. :D
destiny
Member
I found this tonight; even though I listed some of these characteristics, heres a better list..
The 27 Characteristics of the AntiChrist
Know how to recognize the beast and not be swayed into believing that someone is the AntiChrist who doesn't match the biblical characteristics.
1. He comes from among ten kings in the restored Roman Empire; his authority will have similarities to the ancient Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks [Daniel 7:24; Rev 13:2 / Daniel 7:7]
2. He will subdue three kings [Daniel 7:8, 24]
3. He is different from the other kings [Daniel 7:24]
4. He will rise from obscurity…a “little horn†[Daniel 7:8]
5. He will speak boastfully [Daniel 7:8; Rev 13:5]
6. He will blaspheme God, [Daniel 7:25; 11:36; Rev 13:5] slandering His Name, dwelling place, and departed Christians and Old Testament saints [Rev 13:6]
7. He will oppress the saints and be successful for 3 ½ years [Daniel 7:25; Rev 13:7]
8. He will try to change the calendar, perhaps to define a new era, related to himself [Daniel 7:25]
9. He will try to change the laws, perhaps to gain an advantage for his new kingdom and era
[Dan 7:25]
10. He will not be succeeded by another earthly ruler, but by Christ [Daniel 7:26-27]
11. He will confirm a covenant with “manyâ€Â, i.e. the Jewish people [Daniel 9:27]
This covenant will likely involve the establishment of a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem
[see Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15]
12. He will put an end to Jewish sacrifice and offerings after 3 ½ years and will set up an abomination to God in the Temple [Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15]
13. He will not answer to a higher earthly authority; “He will do as he pleasesâ€Â[Daniel 11:36]
14. He will show no regard for the religion of his ancestors [Daniel 11:37]
15. He will not believe in any god at all [except for himself] [Daniel 11:37]
16. He will have "no regard for the desire of women": He will either be asexual or homosexual
[Dan 11:37]
17. He will claim to be greater than any god [Daniel 11:37; 2 Thess 2:4]
18. He will claim to be God [2 Thessalonians 2:4]
19. He will only honor a “god†of the military. His whole focus and attention will be on his military. He will conquer lands and distribute them [Daniel 11:39-44]
20. His arrival on the world scene will be accompanied by miracles, signs and wonders [2 Thess 2:9]
21. Either he, or his companion [The False Prophet], will claim to be Christ [Matt 24:21-28]
22. He will claim that Jesus did not come in the flesh, or that Jesus did not rise bodily from the grave
[2 John 7]. He will deny that Jesus is the Messiah [I John 2:22]
23. He will be worshipped by many people [Rev. 13:8]
24. He will hate a nation that initially will have some control over his kingdom, but he will destroy this nation [Rev 17:16-18]
25. He will appear to survive a fatal injury [Rev. 13:3; 17:8]
26. His name will be related to the number six hundred and sixty sixâ€â€but not necessarily in an obvious fashion [Rev 13:17-18].
27. He will be empowered by the devil himself [Rev. 13:2]
The 27 Characteristics of the AntiChrist
Know how to recognize the beast and not be swayed into believing that someone is the AntiChrist who doesn't match the biblical characteristics.
1. He comes from among ten kings in the restored Roman Empire; his authority will have similarities to the ancient Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks [Daniel 7:24; Rev 13:2 / Daniel 7:7]
2. He will subdue three kings [Daniel 7:8, 24]
3. He is different from the other kings [Daniel 7:24]
4. He will rise from obscurity…a “little horn†[Daniel 7:8]
5. He will speak boastfully [Daniel 7:8; Rev 13:5]
6. He will blaspheme God, [Daniel 7:25; 11:36; Rev 13:5] slandering His Name, dwelling place, and departed Christians and Old Testament saints [Rev 13:6]
7. He will oppress the saints and be successful for 3 ½ years [Daniel 7:25; Rev 13:7]
8. He will try to change the calendar, perhaps to define a new era, related to himself [Daniel 7:25]
9. He will try to change the laws, perhaps to gain an advantage for his new kingdom and era
[Dan 7:25]
10. He will not be succeeded by another earthly ruler, but by Christ [Daniel 7:26-27]
11. He will confirm a covenant with “manyâ€Â, i.e. the Jewish people [Daniel 9:27]
This covenant will likely involve the establishment of a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem
[see Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15]
12. He will put an end to Jewish sacrifice and offerings after 3 ½ years and will set up an abomination to God in the Temple [Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15]
13. He will not answer to a higher earthly authority; “He will do as he pleasesâ€Â[Daniel 11:36]
14. He will show no regard for the religion of his ancestors [Daniel 11:37]
15. He will not believe in any god at all [except for himself] [Daniel 11:37]
16. He will have "no regard for the desire of women": He will either be asexual or homosexual
[Dan 11:37]
17. He will claim to be greater than any god [Daniel 11:37; 2 Thess 2:4]
18. He will claim to be God [2 Thessalonians 2:4]
19. He will only honor a “god†of the military. His whole focus and attention will be on his military. He will conquer lands and distribute them [Daniel 11:39-44]
20. His arrival on the world scene will be accompanied by miracles, signs and wonders [2 Thess 2:9]
21. Either he, or his companion [The False Prophet], will claim to be Christ [Matt 24:21-28]
22. He will claim that Jesus did not come in the flesh, or that Jesus did not rise bodily from the grave
[2 John 7]. He will deny that Jesus is the Messiah [I John 2:22]
23. He will be worshipped by many people [Rev. 13:8]
24. He will hate a nation that initially will have some control over his kingdom, but he will destroy this nation [Rev 17:16-18]
25. He will appear to survive a fatal injury [Rev. 13:3; 17:8]
26. His name will be related to the number six hundred and sixty sixâ€â€but not necessarily in an obvious fashion [Rev 13:17-18].
27. He will be empowered by the devil himself [Rev. 13:2]
turnorburn
Member
:D There is your answer, just follow the road to Rome, I can't say any more other than by a pm..
In His Service,
turnorburn
In His Service,
turnorburn
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Arj
Guest
I thought the beast is islam?
K
kenan
Guest
Arj said:
That is an extremely ignorant and prejudice statement. Islam is obviously not the beast, because it fulfills none of the criteria to be the beast. Muslims believe in the coming of the Antichrist (called dajjal), and they also believe in the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (they believe He will call all people to Islam) who will destroy the Antichrist and bring peace on Earth
turnorburn
Member
kenan said:
Oh I wouldn't be to hard on the boy, he just doesn't understand that's all. You see the Esau failed to get the blessing Jacob was the promised seed, and Jesus Christ came as promised. Muslims and Christians, make your choice. Or I could take it back to Abraham, he started this mess, by not waiting for the promise.
: In His Service,
turnorburn
Vic C.
Member
Hey Destiny 
(and others)
Here is a brief but nice little piece on eschatology throughout the church's history. It's a nice starting point for studying various end times beliefs.
http://www.theologicalstudies.citymax.c ... 572935.htm
One of the themes that stand out throughout this piece is that most every church age had some sort of apocalyptic expectations. :-D
(and others)Here is a brief but nice little piece on eschatology throughout the church's history. It's a nice starting point for studying various end times beliefs.
http://www.theologicalstudies.citymax.c ... 572935.htm
One of the themes that stand out throughout this piece is that most every church age had some sort of apocalyptic expectations. :-D
destiny
Member
Mark 13:28-29
“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is nearâ€â€at the doors!
We gotta know how to read those fig leaves! (signs of the times)
Some pretty monumental things are going on in Israel right now, yet there's more to come. Seems things are moving at an accelerated speed.
“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is nearâ€â€at the doors!
We gotta know how to read those fig leaves! (signs of the times)
Some pretty monumental things are going on in Israel right now, yet there's more to come. Seems things are moving at an accelerated speed.
A
Arj
Guest
It was an innocent question actually,as ive read on these forums(or a link)about islam being the beast.It would be hard not to include them in end times prophecy as theyre going for world domination.
turnorburn
Member
destiny said:
Your 100% correct there, things are moving at lightning speed, I've been getting reports from all over the globe. There is a feeling in the air and its Gods Holy Spirit, the wedding feast is about to begin Hallelujah!! :-D
n2thelight
Member
What is the mark of the beast?
It is not a literal mark any more that those with God’s name written on them in {Rev 3:12} will receive a tattoo.
To be “marked†by either God or satan is a metaphor of servitude, it is the ‘brand’ (spiritually) of whom they serve. In the Old Testament days slaves where branded with the mark of their master, this was a ‘type’ (similitude, example) of the mark of servitude in the end-times to satan OR to God depending on which side you fall on. Let’s look at two “marks†or names of ownership written, one bad, one good. Understand that these are symbolic, they are not actually names literally tattooed on, they are spiritual identifiers:
Rev 17:5
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Rev 3:12
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. (KJV)
The mark of the beast is not a tattoo, bar code, computer chip,... It is a metaphor for servitude to a master. It is a mark (spiritually) of slavemanship. I’m sure that you have heard a phase in our English language: “He has the mark of Cain†when referring to a murderer or evil person. It’s just an metaphor meaning that the guy is a murderer or just a rotten dude.
The mark is IN your forehead, not on it. What is in your forehead? Your brain, your center on reason and choice.
Rev 13:16
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (KJV)
Rev 14:9
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand (KJV)
The mark 'in the right hand' is a Hebrew metaphor meaning the work you do. The right hand is the power hand, the hand that does most tasks. Jesus is seated at the RIGHT hand of God, He is the power and salvation of God.
You will have received the mark of the beast at thet time when antichrist is here on earth if, with your heart (mind), you worship him as the the false messiah antichrist and you help him with his ungodly plans by the work ‘of your own hands’ (unwitting in most cases due to deception and false teaching). This does not mean that those deceived will go strait to hell, they who DID NOT HAVE A FAIR CHANCE (and only them) to know the truth will be taught in the Millennium of (Rev chpt. 20).
Understand that satan could not very well come here as the false messiah, the false christ, the antichrist and go around trying to tattooing 666's on Christians foreheads, that would deceive nobody, and any Christian would immediately identify him as the antichrist and flee from him. Satan is a lot smarter and subtler than that!
Never underestimate your enemy, for: “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made... †{Gen 3:1}. Satan cannot MAKE you take his mark, he must cause you to TAKE it yourself either by choice or by deceiving you, tricking you. Satan is a supernatural being possessing supernatural powers beyond our comprehension. If God allowed him to physically and horribly torture a human being or his/her children into taking the Mark (which God most certainly will not allow, and promised as much), most any and every human being would do exactly what antichrist told them to do - period!
But submitting in that fashion means nothing to your soul, God made these central nervous systems, He knows how they work: “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.†{Matt 26:41}.
And under such duress as torture, where they would submit under intense pain quite insane with agony, it would not be binding, the person will not willingly have chosen satan over God; and it is all about choices, serve God or serve satan, go to hell or go to Heaven, each person must decide for himself.
So should satan expose whom he is by running around killing people, he would have wasted his efforts, exposed himself as the antichrist and lost any chance to draw in Christians through subtle means and deceptions. Also, if he does kill someone, anyone, the ‘game’ for him is over, as when he kills the Two Witnesses in (Rev chpt.11), you notice it is then that Jesus comes back for His Second Advent and promptly deposits satan into the bottomless pit {Rev 20:3}.
But while satan and his fallen angels (the locust army of {Rev 9:1-5} cannot kill anyone, man still can, and times will certainly be dangerous for Christians who know that satan is the false christ standing in Jerusalem and not the true Jesus Christ that he shall be telling the world that he is. Christians shall be killed by men, because, just as during the Catholic inquisitions during the dark ages, men will think that they God a service by killing those who do not worship he (antichrist) whom the world will think is the true messiah of God. So be careful for sure!:
John 16:2
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (KJV)
It might be a comfort to one if they understood through prophecy that satan ultimately fails to deceive the world, while at first he succeeds for a short while. But God has it all laid out, God has a plan to conquer, and in the end it is the testimony of the Elect whom are seized and put on trial by the deceived men of the world, which shall sway the conscience of the world, for it is the Holy Spirit that speaks through these Elect at that time {Mark 13:10-11}.
It is then in desperation that satan kills the Two Witnesses, which he was strictly forbade to do by God. This of course is his undoing, and once he crosses that line, the cataclysmic sequence of Second Advent events play out in rapid fire succession: Armageddon fougt by God against the wicked of the world, all flesh transformed into spirit form, all the wrath of God type stuff written about the “end of the world†as commonly mis-referred to as.
But not one of these events nor the wrath of God harms the faithful. God isn’t mad at them, in fact, it is for them that He terminates this dispensation. The faithful are transformed into their spiritual bodies as Jesus returns destroying, in the most violent fashion, the wicked: “It is a fearful ting to fall into the hands of the living God.†{Heb 10:31}.
Satan has parameters that he must work within, and he is totally subject to the will of God. God is in ultimate control,
It is not a literal mark any more that those with God’s name written on them in {Rev 3:12} will receive a tattoo.
To be “marked†by either God or satan is a metaphor of servitude, it is the ‘brand’ (spiritually) of whom they serve. In the Old Testament days slaves where branded with the mark of their master, this was a ‘type’ (similitude, example) of the mark of servitude in the end-times to satan OR to God depending on which side you fall on. Let’s look at two “marks†or names of ownership written, one bad, one good. Understand that these are symbolic, they are not actually names literally tattooed on, they are spiritual identifiers:
Rev 17:5
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Rev 3:12
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. (KJV)
The mark of the beast is not a tattoo, bar code, computer chip,... It is a metaphor for servitude to a master. It is a mark (spiritually) of slavemanship. I’m sure that you have heard a phase in our English language: “He has the mark of Cain†when referring to a murderer or evil person. It’s just an metaphor meaning that the guy is a murderer or just a rotten dude.
The mark is IN your forehead, not on it. What is in your forehead? Your brain, your center on reason and choice.
Rev 13:16
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (KJV)
Rev 14:9
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand (KJV)
The mark 'in the right hand' is a Hebrew metaphor meaning the work you do. The right hand is the power hand, the hand that does most tasks. Jesus is seated at the RIGHT hand of God, He is the power and salvation of God.
You will have received the mark of the beast at thet time when antichrist is here on earth if, with your heart (mind), you worship him as the the false messiah antichrist and you help him with his ungodly plans by the work ‘of your own hands’ (unwitting in most cases due to deception and false teaching). This does not mean that those deceived will go strait to hell, they who DID NOT HAVE A FAIR CHANCE (and only them) to know the truth will be taught in the Millennium of (Rev chpt. 20).
Understand that satan could not very well come here as the false messiah, the false christ, the antichrist and go around trying to tattooing 666's on Christians foreheads, that would deceive nobody, and any Christian would immediately identify him as the antichrist and flee from him. Satan is a lot smarter and subtler than that!
Never underestimate your enemy, for: “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made... †{Gen 3:1}. Satan cannot MAKE you take his mark, he must cause you to TAKE it yourself either by choice or by deceiving you, tricking you. Satan is a supernatural being possessing supernatural powers beyond our comprehension. If God allowed him to physically and horribly torture a human being or his/her children into taking the Mark (which God most certainly will not allow, and promised as much), most any and every human being would do exactly what antichrist told them to do - period!
But submitting in that fashion means nothing to your soul, God made these central nervous systems, He knows how they work: “Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.†{Matt 26:41}.
And under such duress as torture, where they would submit under intense pain quite insane with agony, it would not be binding, the person will not willingly have chosen satan over God; and it is all about choices, serve God or serve satan, go to hell or go to Heaven, each person must decide for himself.
So should satan expose whom he is by running around killing people, he would have wasted his efforts, exposed himself as the antichrist and lost any chance to draw in Christians through subtle means and deceptions. Also, if he does kill someone, anyone, the ‘game’ for him is over, as when he kills the Two Witnesses in (Rev chpt.11), you notice it is then that Jesus comes back for His Second Advent and promptly deposits satan into the bottomless pit {Rev 20:3}.
But while satan and his fallen angels (the locust army of {Rev 9:1-5} cannot kill anyone, man still can, and times will certainly be dangerous for Christians who know that satan is the false christ standing in Jerusalem and not the true Jesus Christ that he shall be telling the world that he is. Christians shall be killed by men, because, just as during the Catholic inquisitions during the dark ages, men will think that they God a service by killing those who do not worship he (antichrist) whom the world will think is the true messiah of God. So be careful for sure!:
John 16:2
2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. (KJV)
It might be a comfort to one if they understood through prophecy that satan ultimately fails to deceive the world, while at first he succeeds for a short while. But God has it all laid out, God has a plan to conquer, and in the end it is the testimony of the Elect whom are seized and put on trial by the deceived men of the world, which shall sway the conscience of the world, for it is the Holy Spirit that speaks through these Elect at that time {Mark 13:10-11}.
It is then in desperation that satan kills the Two Witnesses, which he was strictly forbade to do by God. This of course is his undoing, and once he crosses that line, the cataclysmic sequence of Second Advent events play out in rapid fire succession: Armageddon fougt by God against the wicked of the world, all flesh transformed into spirit form, all the wrath of God type stuff written about the “end of the world†as commonly mis-referred to as.
But not one of these events nor the wrath of God harms the faithful. God isn’t mad at them, in fact, it is for them that He terminates this dispensation. The faithful are transformed into their spiritual bodies as Jesus returns destroying, in the most violent fashion, the wicked: “It is a fearful ting to fall into the hands of the living God.†{Heb 10:31}.
Satan has parameters that he must work within, and he is totally subject to the will of God. God is in ultimate control,
turnorburn
Member
Examine that statement, you say its not a bar code etc, well that's your prerogative, me,
if I'm asked to put "any" mark on "my" body Im not a gonna do it, period :wink:
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GraceBwithU
Guest
turnorburn said:
Examine that statement, you say its not a bar code etc, well that's your prerogative, me,
if I'm asked to put "any" mark on "my" body Im not a gonna do it, period :wink:
The thing is that the Verichip and the Mondex smart card are very real. Both carry ID information. The Mondex smartcard replaces cash. Both of these technologies are not new. The smartcard can even be used to purchase a coke from a coke machine that has a reader or pay bus fare. It does not need to communicate with your bank account when the purchase is made. It communicates with your account when you request the teller machine to charge it with a cash amount which is immediately deducted from your bank account. So instead of walking away with cash you walk away with something like a gift card that is worth x amount of cash. The Verichip I’m sure could be easily adapted to do the same thing the smartcard does now.
The name Mondex is supposed to been created from two words.
MONitary
DEXter – on the right side.
The Verichip is implanted in your right arm.
The Verichip and Mondex are two different companies with similar technology interest that could benefit from one another. Could there be a merger someday? Who knows?
I also think onlove has a good point. I mean to me to have the chip implanted one would have to have the mindset to ignore the possibility of what it could one day be used for. So maybe you are both correct.
Anyway just to be save I don’t want anything implanted in me that can ID me and one day be used to buy or sell.
:smt067 :smt074
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GraceBwithU
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vic C. said:
Yes it does