The Mark Of The Beast

[GraceBwithU]

The “mark of the beast†and 666 are not the same.

Rev 13:16-17
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
KJV

As you can see in verse 17 above it states, “…the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.â€Â

The mark will be something that is distinguishable of the person. It may be anything from the persons evil thoughts, (forehead), and works, (right hand), to an actual physical mark such as an implanted microchip, or both, (most people with the first attributes will probably take the physical mark if offered).

Rev 13:18
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
KJV

“it is the number of man;â€Â

The number of man is “6â€Â. Man was created on the sixth day of creation in Gods image. But he was not created in Gods perfection or completeness of spirit. Seven is the number of completeness.

Rev 13:1-2
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
KJV

Rev 13:11
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
KJV

“count the number of the beastâ€Â

1. The dragon.
2. The beast from the earth.
3. The beast from the sea.

“count the number of the beastâ€Â, and “his number is Six hundred threescore and sixâ€Â

The dragon, the beast of the earth, and the beast of the sea, these persons will be noted by their extreme evil, sinful ways. Three beast = three 6’s = 666, (the unholy trinity).

Man as a 6 is born in sin. The three 6’s, (666) indicate extremely sinful and evil, a trinity to worship other than the Holy Trinity of God. Some people may even see the three of them as being a sign that they represent the Trinity.

 

[lenbache]

If you have the mark, yes you are

. But if you don't, then don't accept it and you'll be with the Lord forever.

Don't be deceived. Jesus warned us of the false prophets which would arise in the last days, and would deceive "many". We would be wise therefore to ask ourselves the questions, "Are we amongst that "many" of which Christ spoke?", and, "Are those false prophets of which Christ spoke the very ones (such as Jack VanImpe, Hal Lendsey, Tim LaHay, etc) which we look to today for understanding of Bible prophecy?"
If there is the slight chance that the answer is yes, then Isn't it time that we try and figure out for ourselves the meaning of end-time scriptures instead of relying on the false prophets?

There are two end-time "beasts" in scriptures (in Daniel and Revelation) that we must concern ourselves with.

One is the beast; "Babylon" which is described in Revelation 17 and 18. It's also the beast coming out of the sea in verse 1 of Revelation 13.
Daniel describes the beast; Babylon in chapter 7, verse 23 as, "the fourth kingdom upon earth"

The other beast which we must concern ourselves with is the, "man of sin; son of perdition".
This beast is appropriately described in Revelation 13:18 as being that of "a man".

Now we must be VERY VERY careful that we not assume that it's talking about an individual man, for the verse says that we must have wisdom and understanding (of the times and of the scriptures) in order to know whom this "man" is.

Both Daniel and Revelation describes this beast; this man of sin as "the ten horns", thus making it impossible for him to be an individual man, but rather a nationality of man.

Revelation 17:16 says that the ten horns upon Babylon hates the ten kings; ie, hates the harlot.

Daniel 7:24 says that the ten horns out of that 4th kingdom (meaning, out of Babylon) shall rise after the ten kings, and that they would be diverse from the ten kings.
That, they would subdue; ie, bring under subjection 3 generations of the ten kings.
That, they would speak great words against the ten kings.
That, they would think to change the times and laws of Babylon and of the ten kings.
And that, they would take away the dominion of the ten kings, and would consume and destroy their kingdom (Babylon) until the end.

In order to know whom the beast; the man of sin is, one must first figure out where Babylon is today. Then one must determine whom the ten kings are which are upon Babylon.
If one determines correctly these things, then one will have no problem figuring out whom the beast; the man of sin; son of perdition is.

 

[harv]

If you have the mark, yes you are

. But if you don't, then don't accept it and you'll be with the Lord forever.

Beating a dead Horse? I hope not to be so foolishly repetitive.
But I do have a very strong interest in this and other "seeming" difficult prophetic expressions from God's Book. Such discussion is often extremely difficult. Especially in face to face exchange. Attention spans are usually extremely short for lack of sincere interest.

And that is so amazing. Especially since the implication are that we should be intelligently informed and aware of this event cited as far back as 100AD as a very necessary warning for all those who desire to "Keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Why? Because this issue revolving about this "Beast" involves "WORSHIP." Perhaps a worship In The Name Of God; but a "False Worship" never-the-less.

Rev.14:
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man WORSHIP THE BEAST AND HIS IMAGE AND receive HIS MARK in his forehead, OR in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth THE MARK OF his name.

12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So it does not seem sufficient to say I just wont receive thaat mark. The implication is that it might be subtley imposed upon the masses and espescially those who had not concern enough to be "dilligent" in the study of God's words for warning and reward. Heb.10:38-11:3 and 6.

 

[harv]

The Mark Of The time traveling beast

Those who are of the antichrist spirit already await and are deceived by their false messiah. His spirit already sits in the temple of the heart in those who "love not the truth".
I was reading Daniel today and some of the characteristics of this wicked "king" stood out to me. I highlighted some interesting points...

Daniel 8:23-27

23 “ And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
25 “ Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity.
He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;
But he shall be broken without human means.
26 “ And the vision of the evenings and mornings
Which was told is true;
Therefore seal up the vision,
For it refers to many days in the future.â€Â


All we have to do is look around to know that transgression is quickly reaching it's fullness through wicked and powerful men. Dan.8:23
We have to know God in both Spirit and in Truth; we really more than ever need to be praying for wisdom, knowledge, and discernment, concerning God and His written word.

Your scripture correlation here is interesting to me.
Most theologians make reference to the "little horn of this chapter as refering to Antiochus Epiphanes. You seem to be applying this "little horn" of Dan * to a time beyond even our present era and to the number 00, three, score and six of Revelation.

How is it we can apply this "little horn" to an era so far back as Greece and then move him forward to an era beyond our present time?
please fill me in?

 

[harv]

The “mark of the beast†and 666 are not the same.

Rev 13:16-17
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
KJV

As you can see in verse 17 above it states, “…the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.â€Â

The mark will be something that is distinguishable of the person. It may be anything from the persons evil thoughts, (forehead), and works, (right hand), to an actual physical mark such as an implanted microchip, or both, (most people with the first attributes will probably take the physical mark if offered).

Rev 13:18
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
KJV

“it is the number of man;â€Â

The number of man is “6â€Â. Man was created on the sixth day of creation in Gods image. But he was not created in Gods perfection or completeness of spirit. Seven is the number of completeness.

Rev 13:1-2
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
KJV

Rev 13:11
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
KJV

“count the number of the beastâ€Â

1. The dragon.
2. The beast from the earth.
3. The beast from the sea.

“count the number of the beastâ€Â, and “his number is Six hundred threescore and sixâ€Â

The dragon, the beast of the earth, and the beast of the sea, these persons will be noted by their extreme evil, sinful ways. Three beast = three 6’s = 666, (the unholy trinity).

Man as a 6 is born in sin. The three 6’s, (666) indicate extremely sinful and evil, a trinity to worship other than the Holy Trinity of God. Some people may even see the three of them as being a sign that they represent the Trinity.

The “mark of the beast†and 666 are not the same? You mean as wholly unrelated one to the other?

I perceive the relationship of the dragon relative to the beast from the sea and the beasfrom the earth. And from chapter 12 of Revelation. I percieive the Dragon is as straitly stated to be Satan. I perceive a very direct correlation of the early paart of Revelation chapter 13 sybolisms to Daniel chapter 7. I also see a connecting time relationship between Daniel, chapters 7:25, and 12:7, to Revelation chapters 11:2-3, 12:6 and 14, and 13:5. I also percieve that these specified "times" are also a direct correlation and commencement for the "2300 days" of Daniel 8:14. and another direct correlation to the 1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12 as a part of a progressive consecutive count from 1260 to 2300 of which the beast from out of the earth will be the last in its given coarse, to the second advent of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

What I do not percieve is any supporting scripture correlations for the concept that 6 is in any way to be correlated one 6 for the dragon, one 6 to the beast from the sea, and one 6 to the beast from the earth to make a composit 666 as representative for any sinful nature.

What seems quite logical to me from this descriptive language of Revelation with regard to the number is that it was intended to be as a Clue for locating and defining Who (yet not any as one individual) sits as an authority figure in the stead of God, claiming worthiness for "worship" toward His position of authority with a Title that would become recognizable by the summary count that might be discovered in the letters of his Title, or Name. And the "Mark" of his authority will be directly associated to his Title and his Work In Opposition To God's doctrine given to man to Recall His Mark of His Authority and Power as the Creator "that made the heaven, and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters." Rev.14:6-10.

 

[harv]

The Mark Of Beastly Smelling

In case some of you hadn't noticed my spelling and words.
Sometimes they might indicate "Mark" of Iggernuts.
Please be 4givn and I will indever 2 do Bitter. :

 

[turnorburn]

Why not listen to Paul Washer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b29lMZZ1Ts8

Its good for what ails you..

In His Service,
turnorburn

 

[dawngordon]

their is no anti christ man, that is the devil at the end with those left behind, no christians are left here, the mark of the beast, is the mark of MAN< not spirit, they do not survive the second death,

their is alot of demonic activity on this chain

now with this being said are you confessing your sins? Are you practicing witchcraft, like horoscopes, etc... sexual issues?? drugs or alcohol, that ALL HAS TO GO,

 

[GraceBwithU]

Thanks for your comments. Revelations is a very interesting book and subject a lot of discussion.

The “mark of the beast†and 666 are not the same? You mean as wholly unrelated one to the other?

By the “mark of the beast†and 666 not being the same, I don’t mean to imply that they are not related to Satan.

I perceive the relationship of the dragon relative to the beast from the sea and the beasfrom the earth. And from chapter 12 of Revelation. I percieive the Dragon is as straitly stated to be Satan.

I totally agree. The dragon is without a doubt Satan.

What seems quite logical to me from this descriptive language of Revelation with regard to the number is that it was intended to be as a Clue for locating and defining Who (yet not any as one individual) sits as an authority figure in the stead of God, claiming worthiness for "worship" toward His position of authority with a Title that would become recognizable by the summary count that might be discovered in the letters of his Title, or Name. And the "Mark" of his authority will be directly associated to his Title and his Work In Opposition To God's doctrine given to man to Recall His Mark of His Authority and Power as the Creator "that made the heaven, and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters." Rev.14:6-10.

It will be highly necessary to ascertain the meaning of the prophetic symbol beast. The four beasts seen by Daniel are four kingdoms: hence, the term beast here is the prophetic symbol for a kingdom. The beast from the sea is most likely speaking of a kingdom that rises to power from a sea of nations. Of course it could also mean that the kingdom is close to the see, comes from across the sea, or depends on the sea, (most likely the sea of nations though)

Before I get carried away, I will keep this brief.

Rev 13:17
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Please not the use of the word “or†not “andâ€Â. Not only this, but there are three things mentioned. It is saying that there or three different conditions that could be met for a person to buy or sell. Either one of these will work for a person to buy or sell. And the mark is separate from the other two. Therefore, although related, they are not the same.

The mark could be any number of things, but one of these is; thought, word, and deed, which complete the sum of human capability. (hum 3 again). 666 relates to the nature of the beast, which is most likely a kingdom not an individual. Of course there may be 3 individuals in this kingdom that may share the power. Or maybe 2 that Satan totally rules. Remember the scripture speaks of 2 beast actually that is controlled buy Satan. But it is related to a kingdom or kngdoms...not an individual.

Rev 13:18
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This verse could also be stated another way.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: and his number is Six hundred threescore and six, for it is the number of a man;

But it wasn't, it was stated exactly how it should have been by referencing the number of a man first, to give emphasis to the evil of the beast. (Completely carnal and evil)

The number of a man is without a doubt is 6. He will never be as complete as God, completeness is 7. Of course completeness is also represented by the number 3. Therefore 666 is the completeness of this nation’s carnal nature. There is nothing Godly in this kingdom.

I guess what I am saying is that we are wasting our time trying to compute the number 666 form someone’s name, address, or any other of the things that people do. This is superstition, not scripture. Look to the nature of this kingdom to = 666, (totally and completely evil)

We are not taking the mark of the beast if we buy something that cost $666.00.
However, we may be at least flirting with the beast if you have the “thought, word, and deed†to play roulette, ( which by the way has 36 numbers…which added together = 666).

 

[turnorburn]

ISAIAH 6 it begins by knowing what the Lord is like...

Chapter 6

1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

In His Service,
turnorburn

 

[turnorburn]

For us II Thessalonians 2 is a good choice, so its a matter of when not if. I believe in two comings,
the first is done. that was for our salvation. But Ah, the second coming, that will be for judgment
The beast is here, "yes"? he comes out of Rome, "yes"? so this rapture theory was it by design?
The rapture sells a lot of books millions in books because people keep denying the sufferings, what would all of those 1000's say if the Lord took us out, not me I don't want to face them.
There saying as we speak, when Lord will it be finished, the answer, after all of those suffer as you did they did then will the end come. Now I wouldn't suggest you try and change what Jesus said, would you? No because this is by design also and the people will say, Oh ya what's taking him and then all hell will break loose. Party's party's party's and the Lord will come, remember what else he said when he comes where will he find faith? the answer nowhere, they'll all be at a party, miss that party don't go for in such an hour you least expect he'll come and send them to outer darkness with the rest of the hypocrites.

In His Service,
turnorburn

 

[rainbow_promise]

There is no one at this point in time that has received the mark of the beast. How do I know? it tells me that in Rev. 13. verses 16-17. This is going to be a universal thing. It will not be limited to a single area.

Now you have to ask yourself has any of us here in this country had to face this yet. NO.
This is something that has to do with worship, not with anything else. It is a spiritual matter.
If you read Rev. 14:9-12 you will see it is only those that follow the beast or his image that receives the mark. So we know it isn't litterally forced on us. We also know that those that choose to follow God and obey His commandments will not be one of those that receive the mark of the beast.

 

[turnorburn]

Um.. well your half right and at the same time totally right, you say its a spiritual matter,
that's half right, its financial as well. Revelation 13: 17 And that no man might buy or sell
save he had the mark of the beast, or the number of his name. You said it is a spiritual
thing and your right, everything in this world is spiritual, in the Christians eyes. :-D

 

[rainbow_promise]

I say it is spiritual because it all falls on whom we worship and how. It was Christ Himself that told us we cannot serve two masters. If we fail along the way to put our trust and faith on the Only one that can keep us from falling then we will be in the wrong ball park.

Even finances are wrapped in with our worship. If we worry about being able to buy or sell, or whether we will loose priviledges we are used to we will surely end up serving the one that will grant us temporary relief from our circumstances.

You too are right when you say it is half spiritual and half financial. If we choose to worry about the financial things we will be allowing ourselves to lose focus on Christ. What makes this spiritual is the battle itself. It is a battle between Christ and Satan that we are caught in the middle of. On the one hand we have evil beings and on the other Christ.

 

[turnorburn]

There is a storm a brewing one I began watching in 1980, found it quite by accident
or rather I should say by design. Storm headquarters were in a Science Digest, now
as I look around this storm is approaching Hurricane speed, its due to touch down
on land at any time. As is the case with a storm of this magnitude you will know
when it arrives :smt045