[_ Old Earth _] The mind effects the brain

[Barbarian]

I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So you actually think a man who trusts God is a real tree? Seriously? Or is it maybe that God is using figurative language about trees and hearts here?

Should be easy to figure out for someone with spiritual discernment.

 

[Barbarian]

This thread is a perfect example of not knowing the original languages of the bible. In Jewish thought the brain was where one thought logically but the heart was seat of emotions.

Makes sense, since strong emotions like love, hate, or fear will cause the heart to accelerate. Didn't know that they knew the brain was the seat of rational thought. Most of the cultures at that time, didn't know it.

The human heart can't be like that.if so a person with an artificial heart isn't emotional and that's not true or wpuldnt his feelings change from having a heart transplant?

That pretty much nails it, I think. Wish I had thought of that.

 

[Edward]

You can pick up the electromagnetic field from any muscle that's working. I had pretty good success in preventing carpal tunnel syndrome in assembly line workers by letting them monitor their own muscle activity in their lower arms. The monitor picked up the electromagnetic field, and communicated the amount of activity by the intensity of beeps from the unit. They worked with the monitor, and simply tried to minimize the signals. In doing this, they trained themselves to use the most efficient and least harmful movements. Since the amount of force is one leg of the tripod of factors that lead to carpal tunnel syndrome, reducing force is often sufficient to prevent the disorder in many workers.

The EMM data only reflects the duration and amount of muscular contraction, mediated by electrical pulses within neurons (or Purkunji fibers in the heart, which are muscle cells modified to function the way neurons work)

That the heart has no direct role in consciousness, is shown by the fact that consciousness and other mental functions can continue while the heart has gone into ventricular fibrillation, when the fibers have been somehow shocked into working in a random and uncoordinated manner.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8770478

Well that's a .gov and it disagrees with scripture. To think takes consciousness so that has to be wrong.

I think it's kewl what you did for your fellow workers to try help them.

 

[jasonc]

Well that's a .gov and it disagrees with scripture. To think takes consciousness so that has to be wrong.

I think it's kewl what you did for your fellow workers to try help them.

The human heart has no literal.seat of emotions.

I have heard of men who while dying from a heart attack speak and showed pain.

 

[Barbarian]

Well that's a .gov and it disagrees with scripture.

I don't see that it does.

To think takes consciousness so that has to be wrong.

But the patient was conscious.

I think it's kewl what you did for your fellow workers to try help them.

I was a consultant, so it happened with a lot of companies.

 

[brother Paul]

Dr. Daniel G. Amen, the Brain Man seen regularly on PBS, is a Psychiatrist and well known brain disorder specialist, quotes Canadian Neuropsychologist Donald Hebb when he says “neurons that fire together, wire together”. This research was the basis of his own book Change your Brian, Change your Life.

We see this in many ways, but in principle it appears to be first suggested in the writings of Saint Paul when he explains that we should put our minds off of some things and onto others. In recent decades we have learned that in many depressives, for example, there is usually a pattern of thought they ruminate (dwell) on that leads to other relative thoughts that eventually spiral them down into the emotional pits of sadness and despair. There is no question that what we choose to dwell on mentally produces emotions. We have known this for years. When we dwell on say fearful thoughts certain areas of the brain can be seen to suddenly energize and become active. If a researcher watching this activity suddenly shows them images of their loved ones and encourages them to think on these people and some good times together, the brain chemistry us altered, the presence of norepinephrine and dopamine spike, different areas of the brain become energized (as can be demonstrated with MRI imaging), and the emotional mood that follows is also changed (itself engaging millions of biochemical subtleties).

At UCLA, the Center for Culture, Brain and Development us investigating “how cultural and social relations inform brain development, how the brain organizes such experiences and knowledge, and how such developments in turn give rise to a cultural brain.

They have discovered that “Our cultural practices such as emotional bonds to family or religious devotion are themselves repetitive patterns of energy use that stimulate (from the outside) discernable neural firing patterns and synaptic connections. Our brains become used to, and even develop a preference for, certain patterns, meaning the brain can be trained to behave, and even gradually evolve, based on the activities of the mind.”

One point that Dan Siegel, a professor of Clinical Psychiatry at UCLA medical school, argues is that “the mind can be shared with others, and that these inter-personal neural networks can in fact shape the brain. The brain and the mind obviously have an intimate relationship, but the mind is different: it is a collection of thoughts, patterns, perceptions, beliefs, memories and attitudes.” As Siegel explains, “The mind can use the brain to perceive itself, and the mind can be used to change the brain.”

Rick Hanson, Ph.D., a neuropsychologist, points out that "Negative stimuli produce more neural activity than do equally intense (e.g., loud, bright) positive ones”, Hanson notes “They are also perceived more easily and quickly. For example, people in studies can identify angry faces faster than happy ones; even if they are shown these images so quickly (just a tenth of a second or so) that they cannot have any conscious recognition of them, the ancient fight-or-flight limbic system of the brain will still get activated by the angry faces.”

It turns out that the more that an individual’s thoughts focus on the negative and spend rime allowing themselves to dwell on these thoughts the more likely it becomes to return automatically to these thought patterns.

According to Psychology Today the consensus among the Psychiatric community is that this is not good for our mental/emotional health because the amygdala and the thalamus cannot perceive the difference between real stress and imagined stress like we can realize in our minds if we are made aware of this process.

So picture if you will a person dwelling on the negative or painful for great lengths of time every day. Only those areas of the Brain being energized, only those emotional responses being felt and dealt with, become the “norm” for that individual. As adaptive biological creatures these patterns and connections in the Brain become reinforced as the individual’s reality. In contrast, a person who engages prayer and meditation, and/or chooses to dwell on more positive life affirming thoughts, energizes those areas of the Brain empowering those connections with their resultant emotional responses and all the biochemical reactions and connections that these entail. One is clearly not beneficial to the mind and body and even disrupts social ability while the other clearly benefits the mental/emotional well -being and enhances one’s ability to function socially. How Paul relates to this will be shared on the next post.

 

[Barbarian]

Dr. Daniel G. Amen, the Brain Man seen regularly on PBS, is a Psychiatrist and well known brain disorder specialist, quotes Canadian Neuropsychologist Donald Hebb when he says “neurons that fire together, wire together”. This research was the basis of his own book Change your Brian, Change your Life.

Sure, you can (and do) rewire your brain every day. If you know how, you can consciously do that. But that's not at all what those people were trying to sell.

You cannot redo your DNA, nor will mutations appear in response to need. That's just absurd, and contrary to everything we see in genetics.

 

[brother Paul]

First off, I agree with that second totally unrelated diversion technique but yes that first issue is the point. We can and some do "put off" certain lines of thinking, and "put on" others, that in fact do change the brain and cause the production of valuable positive biochemical changes all though out the body. We can cast down imaginations and replace them with better choices. We do not have to dwell in our bad thought emotional sewer. Likewise, we do not have to be (nor are we) subject to the brain. The mind/brain discussion is like the nurture/nature discussion. Both factors are real and in play at any given moment and that's why Paul's advice is do valuable. He said this at a time that no one believed they could say no to their own mind and choose to change it for the sake of better mental/emotional health.

We CAN reinforce and practice a healthy energizing of our brain (we are not a brain we have one). The mind used wisely is a powerful force and I believe the Biblical mindset (accepting what Christ has done on our behalf and who we are/become in Him) is the most susccessful psychology which can be said to produce a sound mind.

 

[Barbarian]

There is indeed a power to positive thinking. But it's in altering your brain, which has some control over body chemistry. Some. The notion that you can heal whatever ails you with the right mental state is pure crockery, as is the claim that one can alter one's DNA voluntarily.

And there is no consciousness in the heart. As jason astutely pointed out, this would show up if it existed, in people with artificial hearts or transplanted hearts.

 

[Edward]

There is indeed a power to positive thinking. But it's in altering your brain, which has some control over body chemistry. Some. The notion that you can heal whatever ails you with the right mental state is pure crockery, as is the claim that one can alter one's DNA voluntarily.

And there is no consciousness in the heart. As jason astutely pointed out, this would show up if it existed, in people with artificial hearts or transplanted hearts.

God can, oh ye of little faith.

Remember. We were created in God's own image and likeness...can do everything and more that Jesus does.

We're spiritual beings, probably made of light. Adam & Eve were not naked in Eden. Psalm...91¿ says clothed with light as a garment. We have dominion and authority in Christ...so we can do those things if we but believe. Be it so to you according to your faith.

 

[turnorburn]

So you actually think a man who trusts God is a real tree? Seriously? Or is it maybe that God is using figurative language about trees and hearts here?

Should be easy to figure out for someone with spiritual discernment.

Then discern this..

Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

 

[jasonc]

God can, oh ye of little faith.

Remember. We were created in God's own image and likeness...can do everything and more that Jesus does.

We're spiritual beings, probably made of light. Adam & Eve were not naked in Eden. Psalm...91¿ says clothed with light as a garment. We have dominion and authority in Christ...so we can do those things if we but believe. Be it so to you according to your faith.

Light, electricity,microwave,all the same particle just different levels of energy and wavelenghts

 

[Edward]

Light, electricity,microwave,all the same particle just different levels of energy and wavelenghts

I think you're right. For awhile, I have suspected that Adam & Eve's spirits rode on the outside of their body (before the fall, and created in God's own image and likeness...!!) So they glowed and that covered their nakedness.

Then when they fell, the spirit got pushed inside of them and no can see it anymore.

Then I find this the other day. I've read it before...but the Holy Spirit let me see it this time, lol.

Psalm 104:2
2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:.../(KJV)

That's what happened! The spirit went inside their bodies, and then they knew they were naked.

Back to the point.
Let your light shine to the world...
The spirit is to be divided asunder from the soul (Hebrews 4:12)
Jesus did this at the transfiguration and was as clothed with light!

Anything Jesus does, we can do. (John 14:12)

(This is all grace.)
We're Spirit beings, perhaps made out of light, and are to let our light shine before men. That's huge.

Have you ever released your spirit out from inside? Seen anyone glowing? We're in a major identity crisis here, thinking we're human living in the natural Realm, going duh, lol.

So we have to tune the frequency/wavelength of our heart & spirit, to God and release our spirit to come forth. In perfect alignment with God and His love, which can then flow through us.

Or so it seems to me...:wink

 

[Barbarian]

Then discern this..

Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

I'm more impressed with jason's point that the Israelites knew that man's rational thoughts were seated in the brain. The point that God speaks of just men as trees and of hearts as liars, is merely illustration that He uses figurative language.

 

[brother Paul]

Light, electricity,microwave,all the same particle just different levels of energy and wavelenghts

Luv the thought possibility...expand please

 

[brother Paul]

Barb I agree the whole positive thinking heals all fixes all mantra is a total myth...that was not MY point

 

[jasonc]

Luv the thought possibility...expand please

Basic science,electrons are so light they become quarks and a photon is a particle that travels at light speed but has different wavelengths.red,orange, yellow are different wavelenghts

 

[Barbarian]

Barb I agree the whole positive thinking heals all fixes all mantra is a total myth...that was not MY point

Perhaps it would be good to tell us which of those claims you think is true, then, and what the evidence for it is.

 

[Barbarian]

Basic science,electrons are so light they become quarks and a photon is a particle that travels at light speed but has different wavelengths.red,orange, yellow are different wavelenghts

Actually, electrons are leptons, and not quarks.

You seem quite comfortable with the particle/wave paradox, though. What do you think that tells us about electromagnetic phenomena?

 

[jasonc]

Actually, electrons are leptons, and not quarks.

You seem quite comfortable with the particle/wave paradox, though. What do you think that tells us about electromagnetic phenomena?

leptons, lepton radiation,lol that's a reference to sg1.

im not that up on this. there might be a relation. probably since emf using a lepton to generate it. solar power uses light to make power. a photon hits a photocell an power produced.