THE NEW COVENANT

[herald]

The Apostle John wrote, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4

The Apostle Paul wrote, "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: AND AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED IN THE LAW SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED." Rom 2:12,13.

Again, His Word is His law.

 

[Drew]

Then explain your comments on Romans 2:13. Simply saying "I did it by the power of the HS" is not explicit in the least.

I am not going to answer this question as I believe that I have fully dealt with it in the past. If some other poster is confused by what I have written, and thinks I am expounding a view where we earn our own salvation, I will give the details.

 

[Drew]

However, I still also question your definition of justification. I am firmly convinced that the book of Romans uses the term in a forensic way speaking of the divine judge who bangs his gavel to pronounce us innocent as individuals (declares righteous). You seem to be speaking more of the other version of justification where we are made righteous.

I am more than happy to defend my view on justification which is one where the forensic meaning is secondary to a covenantal one. I will start a thread on this.....

 

[dan p]

Hi Hearld , the one thing that is not mentioned here , is the the New Covenant is made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah , NOT with the Body of Christ , unless you can show a verse where it is found . Heb 8:8 ; Jer 31:31 are very explicity , are they not . I have scripture , DO YOU ?

 

[XTruth]

Hi Hearld , the one thing that is not mentioned here , is the the New Covenant is made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah , NOT with the Body of Christ , unless you can show a verse where it is found . Heb 8:8 ; Jer 31:31 are very explicity , are they not . I have scripture , DO YOU ?

God totally did make a New Covenant with them through Christ that was better than the old one. But that new covenant is never said to be inclusive of Israel and Judah alone (Heb.8:7-10).

Can you tell me if the church, body of Christ, is under a covenant at all? Is the New Testament only for Jews...sorry, I am just trying to understand what you are even believing or saying.

 

[XTruth]

Hi Hearld , the one thing that is not mentioned here , is the the New Covenant is made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah , NOT with the Body of Christ , unless you can show a verse where it is found . Heb 8:8 ; Jer 31:31 are very explicity , are they not . I have scripture , DO YOU ?

Old was For Israel Only (Dt.4:7-8; 5:3)
New is for all men (Mat.26:28; 28:18-20)
New is free for all (Eph.2:8; Rv.22:17)

Old came by Moses (Jn.1:17)
New came by Christ (Heb.8:6; 9:15)
Jesus brought the New Covenant, all who have faith and obey His covenant terms will be saved (Jn.3:16; Rom.10:9-13; Heb.5:9), the Jews and Gentiles (Rom.1:16). So why don't you see that all who come to Christ are His body and under the covenant made by Him (Eph.1:20-23)? Like I said, Heb.8:7-13; Jer.31:-34 have to be understood as not for them alone, in view of the rest of Scripture and the fact that it is never said the New Covenant is for Judah and Israel alone.

 

[herald]

The Old Covenant was based upon the promise of the people. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is based upon the promise of God:

"But this shall be the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God and they shall be My people." Jer 31:31-34.

"WHO is He speaking of? Paul answers, "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made, He saith not, And to thy seeds as of many: but as of one, And to thy seed which is Christ." "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise." Ga 3:16,29.

"Know ye therefore, that they which be of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Ga 3:7

"For HE IS NOT A JEW, who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom 2:28,29.

"...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for seed." Rom 9:6-8.

The promises were made through Abraham to the children of promise (Rom 9:6-8), who are justified by faith - whether Jew or Gentile.

When Moses struck the rock and disobeyed the Lord, God charged him with unbelief. When the children of Israel disobeyed the Lord, they were not able to enter The Promised Land, because of unbelief. Heb 3:19. Unbelief comes out of an evil heart. Heb 3:12.

Disobedience = Unbelief
Obedience = Faith

Rom 16:29 refers to "the obedience of faith."

"By faith Abraham...obeyed." Heb 11:8

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31

God spoke to Abraham: "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

BECAUSE that Abraham obeyed My Voice (HIS WORD), and kept MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, and MY LAWS." Gen 26:4,5.

"Even so, faith if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (In response to the command of God)?

SEEST THOU HOW FAITH WROUGHT WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS WAS FAITH MADE PERFECT?

And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD (faith & obedience), and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was call the Friend of God.

YE SEE THEN HOW THAT BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

HIS WORD IS HIS LAW

"A NEW HEART also will I give you, and A NEW SPIRIT will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them." Ezek 36:26,27.

When we are born again, having His Spirit within us, He empowers us to obey His Word/His law.

"But be ye DOERS of the Word, and not hearers, only, DECEIVING your own selves." Ja 1:22.

 

[dan p]

Hi Hearld , the one thing that is not mentioned here , is the the New Covenant is made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah , NOT with the Body of Christ , unless you can show a verse where it is found . Heb 8:8 ; Jer 31:31 are very explicity , are they not . I have scripture , DO YOU ?

God totally did make a New Covenant with them through Christ that was better than the old one. But that new covenant is never said to be inclusive of Israel and Judah alone (Heb.8:7-10).

Can you tell me if the church, body of Christ, is under a covenant at all? Is the New Testament only for Jews...sorry, I am just trying to understand what you are even believing or saying.

Hi XTRUTH, your Heb 8:8 and Jer 31:31 and Ezek 36 : 25-28 , are are ONLY given to the Jews and these 3 books say so . In Ezek 36:28 , it tells of the land that was promise to Israel and NOT to the Body of CHRIST , AS WE ARE SEATED IN the heavenly referenced in Eph 1:3 . IF you had a verse , I know that you would have written it down , as a proof , but you CAN NOT find ONE .

 

[XTruth]

[quote="dan p":18ar60qp]Hi Hearld , the one thing that is not mentioned here , is the the New Covenant is made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah , NOT with the Body of Christ , unless you can show a verse where it is found . Heb 8:8 ; Jer 31:31 are very explicity , are they not . I have scripture , DO YOU ?

God totally did make a New Covenant with them through Christ that was better than the old one. But that new covenant is never said to be inclusive of Israel and Judah alone (Heb.8:7-10).

Can you tell me if the church, body of Christ, is under a covenant at all? Is the New Testament only for Jews...sorry, I am just trying to understand what you are even believing or saying.

Hi XTRUTH, your Heb 8:8 and Jer 31:31 and Ezek 36 : 25-28 , are are ONLY given to the Jews and these 3 books say so . In Ezek 36:28 , it tells of the land that was promise to Israel and NOT to the Body of CHRIST , AS WE ARE SEATED IN the heavenly referenced in Eph 1:3 . IF you had a verse , I know that you would have written it down , as a proof , but you CAN NOT find ONE .[/quote:18ar60qp]
I mean, yeah, I see that you believe the New Covenant is ONLY for Judah and Israel, but just by you saying it doesn't make it true. I mean, yeah, it is for them, but I see nothing that says it was ONLY for them. And Yeah, Eze. 36 does say that Israel will reclaim the land promised to Israel, which is partially fulfilled, but what's that have to do w/ the NC? Not all that is Israel is of Israel (Rom.9:6). Rom.1-8 proves that God's grace extends to both Jew and Gentile who believes. In ch. 9-11, he deals with the Jews and shows why they were rejected and cut off by God and how and why the Gentiles were called and elected to partake of the gospel benefits. Rom.11:17-24 says that the Gentiles who are Christians were grafted in. Does the body of Christ, who are all followers of Christ, not have the New Covenant? Is the New Covenant only for the Jews? Is that the Jew that is Jewish by blood (all of them), or Jews who have accepted Christ? And AGAIN, Can you tell me if the church, body of Christ, is under a covenant at all? It may be just me, but I don't follow your responses to well. Why did you use Eph.1:3? What does it mean in this subject? Was that the answer to my question?

P.S. I've answered your SOZO Eph.2:8-9 statement twice, since you didn't read my first reply...I guess??? Please go to that thread and reply so I know if you understand.

 

[herald]

I have shown throughout the New Testament, the Ten Commandment Covenant. Don't you respect God's Word?

 

[einstein]

The New Covenant is really a renewal of the Sinai Covenant which G-d made with the children of Israel. Jeremiah's prophecy relates to the messianic age which is to come. What is to transpire at that time certainly did not occur in Jesus' time. Hebrews 8:9 mistranslates a portion of Jer 31:31 as well.

 

[herald]

I have demonstrated from Scripture, that we are Spiritual Israel, because we belong to Christ. Ga 3:29 and Ga 3:7.

"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith the same are the children of Abraham." Ga 3:7

Do you have faith?

"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Ga 3:29.

Do you belong to Christ?

"I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST..."Ga 2:20. Jesus died to set us free from sin: "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW." 1 John 3:4

"What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1

If you "continue in sin," then, for you, Christ died in vain.

If you think, you can bow down and worship other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, dishonor your parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness and covet, you will have a rude awakening on the day of judgment. To break His commandments, is to be a transgressor of the law.

Those you are lawless will be burned in the lake of fire. Re 19:20;20:1,14,15;21:8

It seems to me, that, you do not respect the Word of God...these commandments are throughout the New Testament.

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

 

[herald]

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that He was manifested to TAKE AWAY OUR SINS; and in Him is no sin.

Whosoever abideth in Him (walks in His Spirit) sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, NEITHER KNOWN HIM (Mt 7:21-23).

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.

He that committeth sin ("transgresses the law" 1 John 3:4) is of the Devil; for the Devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose was the Son of God manifested, that He might destroy the works of the Devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (Are you born of His Spirit?)

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the Devil: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother." 1 John 3.

 

[dan p]

Hi Herald , I do question where the verse for New Testament Christian is found , because I have NEVER seen it ?

1 ) It should be a GIVEN that the Old Coveanat was Conditioned on Israels's keeping it and if they did not, were punished .

2) The New Covenant is Uncoditional and it will NOT be instituted until the beginning of the Millennium , and as the Gentiles enter in Matt 25 .