The new testament versus the old testament

[Allahu Akbar]

By being a Christian, one must obviously accept the New Testament. But is this true of the Old Testament? There are many things in the Old Testament that a modern Christian might find repulsive or illogical, 1 Chronicles 21 for example. The type of morality displayed in that and similar stories, as I'm sure many of you will agree, has no bearing on how we should live our lives today. Isn't that what religion is about? Why then is the Old Testament included in the Christian bible? Does accepting the New Testament mean that you must accept the Old?

 

[Rick W]

If one believes it's all about man then I suppose a NT vs OT concerning living is a worthy topic to pursue.
But the bible is not a rule book or about man or me or you or anyone except Christ. It's God's testimony of His pursuit of the heart of mankind. How could we know that story if we reject the beginning? It'd be like starting a movie in the middle. The ending would have little meaning.

Oh. And welcome to the board! :smt023

 

[stovebolts]

We obviously look at that passage a bit differently. Let me ask you, was it right for David to go against the word of God? After all, David was responsible for Isreal and how David ruled, would decide the state of Isreal.

Do you see any difference between how our government today rules vs. how it was ruled then? More important, how our government rules today, does it impact the people it governs? This I believe is a universal truth.

 

[BenJasher]

Hey Jeff,

Long time no see. I thought you had dropped off the map after your trip to Washington state.

 

[Allahu Akbar]

We obviously look at that passage a bit differently. Let me ask you, was it right for David to go against the word of God? After all, David was responsible for Isreal and how David ruled, would decide the state of Isreal.

If it was wrong for David to go against the word of God, then it was his error, not the error of 70000 innocent Israelites. Surely you agree that Christianity as a whole should not promote this story as a moral lesson.

Do you see any difference between how our government today rules vs. how it was ruled then? More important, how our government rules today, does it impact the people it governs? This I believe is a universal truth.

I see a huge difference ... individual citizens, in our nation, are not held legally responsible for the criminal actions of our leaders (even if they are elected). As such we are not punishable for any such crimes.

Oh. And welcome to the board!

Thank you.

 

[Zakariyaa]

The < Old & New > Testament

The Testament In The Arabic Language , The Word For New Testament Is < 'Ahdul - Jadiyd > Meaning 'New Covenant ' Christian Define Testament As ' Covenant ' In The Book Of Jeremiah 31 ; 31 - 32 , They Interpret The New Covenant To Mean '' New Testament . Where Do They Get These Weid Interpretation ? Certainly They Don't Have Qualified Scholars Interpreting And Translating For Them .

New ' In The Phrase ' New Testament ' Means That , Something New Had Been Added To The Torah ( The 5 Books Of Moses , Also Known As The Law ) Makeing Meaning Which Were Long Hidden , Clear . The So-Called '' New Testament ' Consists Of Twenty - Six Books , And Is Divided Into Four ( 4 ) Sections

1 .The Gospel
2 . The Acts Of The Apostles
3 . The Letters
4 . Revelation

However This Division Is Not Correct . This Is According To So - Called Bible Scholars . Real Division Of The New Testament Is As Follow ;

1. The Gospel - 4 Books

1. Book of Matthew - 41 A.D.
2. Book of Mark - 65 A.D.
3. Book OF Luke - 58 A.D.
4. Book of John ( Son of Zebedee ) - 98 A.D.

2. The Acts Of The Apostles - 1 Book - 61 A.D.
3. Books Of Paul - 14 Books

1. Books to Romans by Paul - 65 ( Was a letter addressed
to the Romans . )
2. Books to Corinthians I by Paul - 55 A.D. ( The second letter
writter by Paul was
addressed to the
Church of Corinth )
3. Book to Corinthians II by Paul -55 A.D ( The same as above )
4. Book to Galatians by Paul - 52 A.D. ( Written to the church
of Galatia )
5. Book to Ephesians by Paul - 61 A.D ( Pauls ministry at Ephesus
Written to the Church of
Ephesus )
6 . Book to Phillippians by Paul - 61 A.D. ( Written to the Church of Phillippi )
7 . Book to Colossians by Paul - 61 A.D. ( Addressed to by Church of Colosse ) .
8 . Book to Thessalonians l by Paul - 50 A.D. ( Written at Corinth )
9 .Book to Thessalonians ll by Paul - 50 A.D. ( Written at Corinth )
10 Book to Timothy l by Paul - 64 A.D. ( Consists of Council and exhortation to a young
pastor )
11. Book to Timothy ll by Paul - 64 A.D. ( Written from Rome ) .
12. Book to Titus by Paul - 64 A.D. ( Contains information about Titus a gentile and beloved
friend of Paul ) .
13. Book to Philemon by Paul - 61 A.D. ( A private letter of intercession written from Rome
and sent sent to Philemon at Colosse ) .
14. Book of Hebrews by Paul - 61 A.D. ( Written to Hebrew Chrstians ) .

4 . The Epistles ( Lettters ) 7 Letters

1. Letter of James - 62 A.D.
2. Letter of Peter l by Simeon Peter - 64 A.D.
3. Letter of Peter ll by Simeon Peter - 64 A.D.
4. Letter of John l ( Son Of Zebedee ) - 98 A.D.
5, Letter of John ll ( Son Of Zebedee ) - 98 A.D.
6. Letter of John lll ( Son Of Zebedee ) - 98 A.D.

 

[Allahu Akbar]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

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What does that have to do with the topic?

 

[Zakariyaa]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

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What does that have to do with the topic?

No Such Thing As Old Or New Testament As You Can See By The Above Post ..

 

[Allahu Akbar]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

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What does that have to do with the topic?

No Such Thing As Old Or New Testament As You Can See By The Above Post ..

My apologies. Should I call them "Hebrew Scriptures" and "Christian Testament"? My bible is divided into two sections, and between the two I can see a difference. My question in this thread is why Christianity still uses the first part.

 

[Zakariyaa]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

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What does that have to do with the topic?

No Such Thing As Old Or New Testament As You Can See By The Above Post ..

My apologies. Should I call them "Hebrew Scriptures" and "Christian Testament"? My bible is divided into two sections, and between the two I can see a difference. My question in this thread is why Christianity still uses the first part.[/quote:66912]



If One Doesn't Know The Beginning How Would They Know The Ending ?

 

[Allahu Akbar]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

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What does that have to do with the topic?

No Such Thing As Old Or New Testament As You Can See By The Above Post ..

My apologies. Should I call them "Hebrew Scriptures" and "Christian Testament"? My bible is divided into two sections, and between the two I can see a difference. My question in this thread is why Christianity still uses the first part.

If One Doesn't Know The Beginning How Would They Know The Ending ?[/quote:6dc2a]

So, is it ok with you that your Bible contains a book that depicts God as the killer of 70000 innocent Israelites?

 

[Zakariyaa]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

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[quote="Allahu Akbar":67dcf]

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What does that have to do with the topic?

No Such Thing As Old Or New Testament As You Can See By The Above Post ..

My apologies. Should I call them "Hebrew Scriptures" and "Christian Testament"? My bible is divided into two sections, and between the two I can see a difference. My question in this thread is why Christianity still uses the first part.

If One Doesn't Know The Beginning How Would They Know The Ending ?[/quote:67dcf]

So, is it ok with you that your Bible contains a book that depicts God as the killer of 70000 innocent Israelites?[/quote:67dcf]


The Bible Is Responsible For Things Like .
( 1 ) . The Deformities Six Fingers 2nd Samuel 21 ; 20
( 2 ) . Prostitution - Genesis 38 ; 24 , Leviticus 19 ; 29
( 3 ) . Cannibalism - 2Kings 6 ; 28 - 29
( 4 ) . Rape - Genesis 34 ; 14
( 5 ) . Gluttony - Deuteronomy 21 ; 22
( 6 ) . Alcoholism - Deuteronomy 21 ; 20

Also Incest In The Bible
( 7 ) . Lot And His Two Daughters - Genesis 19 ; 33 , 35
Amon With His Sister - 2nd Samuel 13 ; 2 , 14
Nahor And His Niece - Genesis 11 ; 29
Amran With His Aunt - Exodus 6 ; 20
Abraham And His Half Sister - Genesis 20 ; 12

Robbery In The Bible
( 8 ) . 2Corinthians 11 ; 8

Murder In The Bible
( 9 ) . Exodus 4 ; 24

Kidnapping In The Bible
( 10 ) . Leviticus 19 ; 13

Which Was Commited By '' The LORD Thy God '' Himself In Leviticus 26 ; 22 ..

Just To Name A Few ( So What Your Point )

 

[Allahu Akbar]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

The Bible Is Responsible For Things Like .
( 1 ) . The Deformities Six Fingers 2nd Samuel 21 ; 20
( 2 ) . Prostitution - Genesis 38 ; 24 , Leviticus 19 ; 29
( 3 ) . Cannibalism - 2Kings 6 ; 28 - 29
( 4 ) . Rape - Genesis 34 ; 14
( 5 ) . Gluttony - Deuteronomy 21 ; 22
( 6 ) . Alcoholism - Deuteronomy 21 ; 20

Also Incest In The Bible
( 7 ) . Lot And His Two Daughters - Genesis 19 ; 33 , 35
Amon With His Sister - 2nd Samuel 13 ; 2 , 14
Nahor And His Niece - Genesis 11 ; 29
Amran With His Aunt - Exodus 6 ; 20
Abraham And His Half Sister - Genesis 20 ; 12

Robbery In The Bible
( 8 ) . 2Corinthians 11 ; 8

Murder In The Bible
( 9 ) . Exodus 4 ; 24

Kidnapping In The Bible
( 10 ) . Leviticus 19 ; 13

Which Was Commited By '' The LORD Thy God '' Himself In Leviticus 26 ; 22 ..

Just To Name A Few ( So What Your Point )

Um, if you're a christian, you don't have a problem with that?

 

[Zakariyaa]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

The Bible Is Responsible For Things Like .
( 1 ) . The Deformities Six Fingers 2nd Samuel 21 ; 20
( 2 ) . Prostitution - Genesis 38 ; 24 , Leviticus 19 ; 29
( 3 ) . Cannibalism - 2Kings 6 ; 28 - 29
( 4 ) . Rape - Genesis 34 ; 14
( 5 ) . Gluttony - Deuteronomy 21 ; 22
( 6 ) . Alcoholism - Deuteronomy 21 ; 20

Also Incest In The Bible
( 7 ) . Lot And His Two Daughters - Genesis 19 ; 33 , 35
Amon With His Sister - 2nd Samuel 13 ; 2 , 14
Nahor And His Niece - Genesis 11 ; 29
Amran With His Aunt - Exodus 6 ; 20
Abraham And His Half Sister - Genesis 20 ; 12

Robbery In The Bible
( 8 ) . 2Corinthians 11 ; 8

Murder In The Bible
( 9 ) . Exodus 4 ; 24

Kidnapping In The Bible
( 10 ) . Leviticus 19 ; 13

Which Was Commited By '' The LORD Thy God '' Himself In Leviticus 26 ; 22 ..

Just To Name A Few ( So What Your Point )

Um, if you're a christian, you don't have a problem with that?

Why Should I


By You Name It Safe To Say Your Muslim Yes ?

 

[stovebolts]

Hey Jeff,

Long time no see. I thought you had dropped off the map after your trip to Washington state.

Hello, naw, I havn't dropped off the map, just stopped argueing cause I figured it wasn't getting me, or anyone else anywhere anyway. Besides that, I've been real busy and don't get to be involved as much as I'd like to be.

 

[stovebolts]

We obviously look at that passage a bit differently. Let me ask you, was it right for David to go against the word of God? After all, David was responsible for Isreal and how David ruled, would decide the state of Isreal.

If it was wrong for David to go against the word of God, then it was his error, not the error of 70000 innocent Israelites. Surely you agree that Christianity as a whole should not promote this story as a moral lesson.

I certainly see your point here, but I don't think you've grasped that God didn't make life fair and in essence, we reap what we sow. Now, you may disagree, as may others and that's ok by me, but when I read that passage, I see how Isreal begged and pleaded and demanded that God give them a King to rule over them. This is not what God had planned for them because God planned for them to be under God's rule, not the rule of a King.
When we take into consideration that Saul became corrupt and David was annointed, then we begin to see the responsibility that David had in not only the physical welfare of Isreal, but their spiritual welfare as well. Keep in mind here that although David was annointed by God, he was God's response to Isreal's pleads and desires which were not in direct alignment of what God was willing for them.
In closing, David was responisble for the welfare of Isreal, and he knew it. In addition, there would be many kings that followed David and you know what? God, through Samuel, told the Isrealites what to expect, and they agreed to the calamity. Yes, they made decisions that would impact generations to come.. now, is that fair? It's not about fairness, it's about what was cast. 70000 Isrealites yes, innocent? I'd question that but regardless, it sets a principle of accountability, an accountability none the less that David felt.

Do you see any difference between how our government today rules vs. how it was ruled then? More important, how our government rules today, does it impact the people it governs? This I believe is a universal truth.

I see a huge difference ... individual citizens, in our nation, are not held legally responsible for the criminal actions of our leaders (even if they are elected). As such we are not punishable for any such crimes.

Ahhh, so we, as citizens whome elect officials to govern over US, in the U.S.A., are not responsible [as a nation] for the actions of our elected officials? True, we are not held criminally responsible, but we are responsible to see that justice is justice.


Well, I'm not saying I'm right and I certainly see your point, but passing the buck just doesn't seem to fly right with me.

 

[stovebolts]

Re: The < Old & New > Testament

The Bible Is Responsible For Things Like .
( 1 ) . The Deformities Six Fingers 2nd Samuel 21 ; 20
( 2 ) . Prostitution - Genesis 38 ; 24 , Leviticus 19 ; 29
( 3 ) . Cannibalism - 2Kings 6 ; 28 - 29
( 4 ) . Rape - Genesis 34 ; 14
( 5 ) . Gluttony - Deuteronomy 21 ; 22
( 6 ) . Alcoholism - Deuteronomy 21 ; 20

Also Incest In The Bible
( 7 ) . Lot And His Two Daughters - Genesis 19 ; 33 , 35
Amon With His Sister - 2nd Samuel 13 ; 2 , 14
Nahor And His Niece - Genesis 11 ; 29
Amran With His Aunt - Exodus 6 ; 20
Abraham And His Half Sister - Genesis 20 ; 12

Robbery In The Bible
( 8 ) . 2Corinthians 11 ; 8

Murder In The Bible
( 9 ) . Exodus 4 ; 24

Kidnapping In The Bible
( 10 ) . Leviticus 19 ; 13

Which Was Commited By '' The LORD Thy God '' Himself In Leviticus 26 ; 22 ..

Just To Name A Few ( So What Your Point )

I think I'd restate that, your first mistake was...

The Bible Is Responsible For Things Like .

Talk about passing the buck... :roll:

 

[stovebolts]

Yeah, the truth can hurt at times... to that end, you speak in truth. But then again, it's how that truth is applied that matters for this, is what forms perspective.

For example, Was Adam justified in passing the buck to Eve and Eve to the serpent? If we delve into that one scripture with a magnifying glass, we can certainly get a different view than if we take three steps back...

You have made some pretty hard accusations against God's word. Forgive me if my time is limited this week, but do you care to elaborate or are you just provoking dissention?

Peace be with you.

 

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[stovebolts]

Thank you Gary for being such a good watch dog. Know that I appreciate what you do.

Zakariyaa,
It's one thing to seek the word of God, and another to discredit the word of God.

We are told in 1 Timothy to stay away from argument for arguments sake... and to stay away from those who's motive is destruction.

Peace be with you.