The Number of his Name

[whirlwind]

To stand with our Father we must get victory over…..

1. The beast
2. His image
3. His mark
4. The number of his name.


This thread is to try to understand what is meant by the number of his name.....

• Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the NUMBER OF HIS NAME, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
  
  Revelation 13:17-18 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, the name of the beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

When the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (the house of Judah) returned after their time in captivity to Babylon...all men were numbered! There is an extensive list of that numbering. Are any of the men numbered 666?

• Ezra 2:2 Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mizpar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the People of Israel:
  
  2:13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

Interestingly....in the book of Nehemiah this same man is numbered at 667. Which is correct? Remember, He told us to...."Beware of the scribes."

• Nehemiah 7:18 The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven.
  
  1 Chronicles 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
  
  Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

The name Adonikam is also Adonijah and in [Nehemiah 10:16], he is numbered as one of the “chief of the people.†Who is this chief of the people being numbered at 666?

• 1 Kings 1:5 Then Adonijah the son of Haggith exalted himself, saying, “I will be king:†and he prepared him chariots and horsemen, and fifty men to run before him. (9) And Adonijah slew sheep and oxen and fat cattle by the stone of Zoheleth, which is by En-rogel, and called all his brethren the king’s sons, and all the men of Judah the king’s servants: But Nathan the prophet, and Benaiah, and the mighty men, and Solomon his brother, he called not.

Such a familiar story. He, for a short time, usurped the crown. This man, numbered at 666, "slew sheep, etc." during his great tribulation. In the future he will spiritually slay sheep, God's children, on the same stone. The "stone of Zoheleth" is...the Serpent Stone.

• Six hundred sixty six…If six is the number of secular or human perfection, the sixty six is a more emphatic expression of the same fact, and six hundred sixty six is the concentrated expression of it; It is therefore the trinity of human perfection; the perfection of imperfection; the culmination of human pride in independence of God and opposition to His Christ.
  
  The number, however, has to be computed, to reckon, to calculate, not merely to count or enumerate. Therefore it is not to be known by gematria merely, though, as we have said, that will be one of the factors in the calculation, just as the letters in the word Jesus amount to eight hundred eighty eight.
  
  It will be seen from this that the number is very far reaching, and is filled with a meaning deeper, perhaps, than anything we have yet discovered. One thing, however is certain, and that is, that the triple six marks the culmination of man’s opposition to God in the person of the coming antichrist.
  
  The duration of the old Assyrian empire was 666 years before it was conquered by Babylon. ~ Companion Bible, E.W. Bullinger

I believe that having victory over the "number of his name" is in knowing he and those with him are among us...as they were in the past so are they today.

 

[Blazin Bones]

What exactly are you suggesting? Perhaps thatwe can know the name of the anti-
Christ?

 

[JudaicChristian]

The symbolic Babylon is that Beast (nation.) The name title of a man, and also that nation both add up to 666. Scripture says that it is the smallest nation in the world for a clue.

 

[whirlwind]

What exactly are you suggesting? Perhaps thatwe can know the name of the anti-
Christ?

I am suggesting that those that "stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God," are those with understanding to "count the number of the beast."

 

[(THE)]

What exactly are you suggesting? Perhaps thatwe can know the name of the anti-
Christ?

I dont think thats quite it,,,,,We already know the name

antichrsit ,,,Lucifer,,,satan,,,dragon,,,devil,,,,old serpent,,,,,death.......BUt he will say he Jesus Returned......... :biglaugh :bigfrown

 

[Vic C.]

What exactly are you suggesting? Perhaps thatwe can know the name of the anti-
Christ?

Studies like this usually attempt to trace lineage in an attempt to identify antichirst. The thing is, there were a good number of requirements for this antichrist. Just like any prophecy, all requirements must me met. Plus we need to keep in mind that the number of the beast has as much or more to do with confirming as it does with indenifying.

What catches my attention is that Adonikam (or any other name mentioned in the entire passage) isn't given a number as though it was a name tag (Hello, my number is 666 :D ). They are being counted. They and their descendants are being accounted for just like you would do in a head count.

So, the real search shouldn't be centered around Adonikam; it should be centered around discovering who was # 666 in the headcount. :D Of course we have the difference between the count in Ezra and the account in Nehemiah.

(yeah I know, all of this is a stretch. But what is good about studies like this is it brings many people into looking deeper into OT passages they would normally give little attention)

 

[(THE)]

[quote="Blazin Bones":2sn6be9t]What exactly are you suggesting? Perhaps thatwe can know the name of the anti-
Christ?

Studies like this usually attempt to trace lineage in an attempt to identify antichirst. The thing is, there were a good number of requirements for this antichrist. Just like any prophecy, all requirements must me met. Plus we need to keep in mind that the number of the beast has as much or more to do with confirming as it does with indenifying.

What catches my attention is that Adonikam (or any other name mentioned in the entire passage) isn't given a number as though it was a name tag (Hello, my number is 666 :D ). They are being counted. They and their descendants are being accounted for just like you would do in a head count.

So, the real search shouldn't be centered around Adonikam; it should be centered around discovering who was # 666 in the headcount. :D Of course we have the difference between the count in Ezra and the account in Nehemiah.

(yeah I know, all of this is a stretch. But what is good about studies like this is it brings many people into looking deeper into OT passages they would normally give little attention)[/quote:2sn6be9t]

Studies like this usually attempt to trace lineage in an attempt to identify antichirst

I pretty sure the author of this thread believe the antichrst is satan,,,so why would one need to track linage to identify antichrist if you already know he is the fallen cherub Lucifer...

 

[Sinthesis]

The name Adonikam is also Adonijah...

Adonikam is NOT also Adonijah!

Strong's H140 - 'Adoniyqam = Adonikam = "my lord arose"
Strong's H138 - 'Adoniyah = Adonijah = "my lord is Jehovah"

What you are trying to do in substituting names to support your false ideas is just as deceptive as anything a demonic 'scribe' could do. :verysad

 

[whirlwind]

The name Adonikam is also Adonijah...

Adonikam is NOT also Adonijah!

Strong's H140 - 'Adoniyqam = Adonikam = "my lord arose"
Strong's H138 - 'Adoniyah = Adonijah = "my lord is Jehovah"

What you are trying to do in substituting names to support your false ideas is just as deceptive as anything a demonic 'scribe' could do. :verysad

• Adonikam, or Adonikam. The sons of Adonikam, 666 in number, were among those who returned from Babylon with Zerubbbel. Ezra 2:13; Neh.7:18, 1 Esd 5:14 (BC 506-410) The name is given as Adonijah in Neh. 10:16 ~ Smith's Bible Dictionary

John 18:23 Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

 

[whirlwind]

Another verse showing [666] was brought to my attention....

• 1 Kings 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold ,

What or who does that 666 talents of gold represent? Solomon was building the temple. Present with him in this building was the number 666 just as they were present in the building of the second temple...after the Babylonian captivity.

As numbered in Ezra the 666 were present at the second building. They were......

• Ezra 2:13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

As written in Kings the 666 were present at the first building. They were sybolically represented as gold.

• Lamentations 4:1-2 How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street. The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter.
  
  Joel 3:5 Because ye have taken My silver and My gold, and have carried into your temples My goodly pleasant things:
  
  Haggai 2:8 The silver is Mine, and the gold is Mine, saith the LORD of hosts.
  
  11 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
  
  Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

People are His vessels of gold and silver...and wood and earth, etc. The 666 talents of gold, or who those talents represent, were brought into the temple when Solomon......

• 1 Kings 3:1 And Solomon made affinity with Pharaoh king of Egypt, and took Pharaoh's daughter, and brought her into the city of David, until he had made an end of building his own house, and the house of the LORD, and the wall of Jerusalem round about.
  
  7:8 And his house where he dwelt had another court within the porch, which was of the like work. Solomon made also an house for Pharaoh's daughter, whom he had taken to wife, like unto this porch.

Pharaoh is symbolic of Satan ruling Egypt, the world, so his daughter would be.....

Remember Moses...

• Hebrews 11:24-25 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

 

[Sinthesis]

Whirlwind, I don't attack you but your silly false Bible teaching. :D

In this case you are trying to divine the meaning of 666 and have latched on to poor old Adonikam because the members of his family that returned with Zerubbabel from exile (6th century BC) were numbered at 666 (Ezr 2:13), or is it 667 (Neh 7:18)? The fact the number is in dispute should tell you it has no significance to the true message of the verse. But of course that is not enough for your itching ears, nor is the fact that Adonikam is only mentioned in one more verse (Ezr 8:13) where he is described as the ancestor of the remnant of his family returning with Ezra to Jerusalem.

Just three verses doesn't give you much to work with in identifying the meaning of the number of the beast, so you latch on to the false idea that Adonikam and Adonijah are interchangeable. This is great for you because Adonijah is used 26 times in the KJV, and it's easy for you to ignore the fact that these 26 verses speak of three distinct people:

• 1-Adonijah, the half-brother of Solomon (10th century BC), is mentioned 24 times.
  2-Adonijah, a priest during the reign of Jehoshaphat (9th century BC), is named once (2Ch 17:8).
  3-Then Neh 10:16 (5th century BC) records that a chief of the people sealed to the covenant is named Adonijah.

It is the placement of the name of this chief of the people within a list of names that you (via William Smith) use to claim Adonikam and Adonijah are interchangeable. However, because these two separate returns from exile under Zerubbabel and Ezra are nearly seventy years apart in history, it is reasonable to conclude that at the time of the repentance and restoration of God's People under Nehemiah's governorship, Adonijah was the leader of the family descended from Adonikam. :yes :yes :yes

Adonikam(Strong's 140) = "my lord arose"
??????????

Adonijah(Strong's 138) = "my lord is Jehovah"
??????????

 

[whirlwind]

Whirlwind, I don't attack you but your silly false Bible teaching. :D

Well, that's good to know. I feel much better now.

In this case you are trying to divine the meaning of 666 and have latched on to poor old Adonikam because the members of his family that returned with Zerubbabel from exile (6th century BC) were numbered at 666 (Ezr 2:13), or is it 667 (Neh 7:18)? The fact the number is in dispute should tell you it has no significance to the true message of the verse. But of course that is not enough for your itching ears, nor is the fact that Adonikam is only mentioned in one more verse (Ezr 8:13) where he is described as the ancestor of the remnant of his family returning with Ezra to Jerusalem.

Just three verses doesn't give you much to work with in identifying the meaning of the number of the beast, so you latch on to the false idea that Adonikam and Adonijah are interchangeable. This is great for you because Adonijah is used 26 times in the KJV, and it's easy for you to ignore the fact that these 26 verses speak of three distinct people:

• 1-Adonijah, the half-brother of Solomon (10th century BC), is mentioned 24 times.
  2-Adonijah, a priest during the reign of Jehoshaphat (9th century BC), is named once (2Ch 17:8).
  3-Then Neh 10:16 (5th century BC) records that a chief of the people sealed to the covenant is named Adonijah.

It is the placement of the name of this chief of the people within a list of names that you (via William Smith) use to claim Adonikam and Adonijah are interchangeable. However, because these two separate returns from exile under Zerubbabel and Ezra are nearly seventy years apart in history, it is reasonable to conclude that at the time of the repentance and restoration of God's People under Nehemiah's governorship, Adonijah was the leader of the family descended from Adonikam. :yes :yes :yes

Adonikam(Strong's 140) = "my lord arose"
??????????

Adonijah(Strong's 138) = "my lord is Jehovah"
??????????

Thank you for your two cents. God told us not all would "hath understanding" but thank you for trying.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Popes name title VICARIUS FILII DEI adds up to 666. Also the name Italia adds up to 666 using Roman numerals. It's the number of a man and a beast (nation.)

 

[RND]

Thank you for your two cents. God told us not all would "hath understanding" but thank you for trying.

Gee, that was fairly smug and dismissive.

Frankly I though his explanation here was much clearer, comprehensive and easier to understand than the OP.

 

[whirlwind]

Thank you for your two cents. God told us not all would "hath understanding" but thank you for trying.

Gee, that was fairly smug and dismissive.

Frankly I though his explanation here was much clearer, comprehensive and easier to understand than the OP.

It was smug. :verysad I woke up this morning thinking about it. I apologize to Sinthesis...truly, I apolgize. I was wrong to write that. Allow me to address his post here....


Sinthesis wrote....

Whirlwind, I don't attack you but your silly false Bible teaching.

In this case you are trying to divine the meaning of 666 and have latched on to poor old Adonikam because the members of his family that returned with Zerubbabel from exile (6th century BC) were numbered at 666 (Ezr 2:13), or is it 667 (Neh 7:18)? The fact the number is in dispute should tell you it has no significance to the true message of the verse. But of course that is not enough for your itching ears, nor is the fact that Adonikam is only mentioned in one more verse (Ezr 8:13) where he is described as the ancestor of the remnant of his family returning with Ezra to Jerusalem.

Seeing 666 in God's Word should raise red flags for anyone. The fact that in one account it is 666 and in another it is 667 brings even more notice to it. In the two accounts given by Ezra and Nehemiah ALL OF THEM are identical...except for that one listing. Why?

Just three verses doesn't give you much to work with in identifying the meaning of the number of the beast, so you latch on to the false idea that Adonikam and Adonijah are interchangeable. This is great for you because Adonijah is used 26 times in the KJV, and it's easy for you to ignore the fact that these 26 verses speak of three distinct people:

I didn't "latch onto it" but was led by the Spirit to see it. I had completed a thread about Adonijah, in which he was a type for Satan....right down to slaying sheep on the serpent stone when he usurped the crown. Much later I saw the 666 in Ezra, looked into the name of Adonikam and saw the quote from the Smith's Bible Dictionary about Adonikam/Adonijah. The name rang a bell because of my previous thread.

1-Adonijah, the half-brother of Solomon (10th century BC), is mentioned 24 times.
2-Adonijah, a priest during the reign of Jehoshaphat (9th century BC), is named once (2Ch 17:8).
3-Then Neh 10:16 (5th century BC) records that a chief of the people sealed to the covenant is named Adonijah.

It is the placement of the name of this chief of the people within a list of names that you (via William Smith) use to claim Adonikam and Adonijah are interchangeable. However, because these two separate returns from exile under Zerubbabel and Ezra are nearly seventy years apart in history, it is reasonable to conclude that at the time of the repentance and restoration of God's People under Nehemiah's governorship, Adonijah was the leader of the family descended from Adonikam.

Adonikam(Strong's 140) = "my lord arose"
??????????

Adonijah(Strong's 138) = "my lord is Jehovah"
??????????

I don't know who William Smith is. It is not me that claims Adonikam/Adonijah are interchangeable. I provided the quote.

This thread was for one purpose, as written...."This thread is to try to understand what is meant by the number of his name....." I believe it accomplishes that.

 

[MMarc]

I think the number is the love of gold or money, mammon.

The root of all evil is the LOVE of money. And because you cannot buy nor sell without it (currency or money or gold) then for moi, it means the love of money above the love of God and fellowman.,

But if you want to get down to it. the hebrew number 6 is represented as the letter V or W
as in www....?

But hey Paul used the roads built by Rome to preach, so do we in this instance.

 

[whirlwind]

I think the number is the love of gold or money, mammon.

The root of all evil is the LOVE of money. And because you cannot buy nor sell without it (currency or money or gold) then for moi, it means the love of money above the love of God and fellowman.,

But if you want to get down to it. the hebrew number 6 is represented as the letter V or W
as in http://www....?

But hey Paul used the roads built by Rome to preach, so do we in this instance.

Hello my friend.

When I first came to this forum I had a post about the internet "net - www."

Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Luke 5:6 And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake.

John 21:6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

 

[MMarc]

Hey WW, nice to speak with you again!

Thanks , very interesting view of it!

 

[MithrandirOlorin]

The 667 number in Nehemiah need not be a contradiction, the population could have increased by one between the 2 numberings. Or be a difference in whether the counter wanted to count Adonikam himself.

 

[Stormcrow]

Seeing 666 in God's Word should raise red flags for anyone. The fact that in one account it is 666 and in another it is 667 brings even more notice to it.

The issue isn't the numbering of returning captives from exile! These numbers have nothing to do with the "666" of Revelation 13!

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. Revelation 13:18 (NASB)

In the footnotes of virtually any good study Bible you find, this text is included:

"One early manuscript reads 616."

So the number isn't 666 or 667! The question is whose name can best fit the number 666 and/or 616!

That answer is here:

Nero Caesar fits the gematria code number "666." Using this code, his name would be rendered as "NRWN QSR." (NRWN QSR). The number values are:

N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200​

which, when added together, equals 666.

[FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF]Of some related interest is the fact that if Nero’s name is written without the final "n" (i.e., the way it would occur to a Gentile to spell it in Hebrew), it yields the number 616 — which is exactly the variant reading in a few New Testament manuscripts. The most reasonable explanation for this variant is that it arose from the confusion over the final "n".
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[FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF]http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/beast.html
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Pate, Haynes

“Nero’s infamous character merits the title of “beast applied to him by the seer of the Apocalypse (v.1). Revelation 13:1-6 gives the generic background of the beast, which is the roman empire of the first century, The seven heads correspond to the seven hills of Rome, while the ten horns allude to the Caesars of the first century, however one may number them (v.1). The blasphemous worship demanded by the beast distinctly reminds one of the imperial cult of the first century, and the war the beast wages on the saints cannot help but recall the intense persecutions Nero, and later Domitian, inflicted on Christians because they did not worship Caesar. Nero’s persecution of Christians from November AD 64 to June AD 68 could account, in part, for the forty-two months (or 3 ½ years) of oppression mentioned in Rev. 13:5. The reference in Revelation 13:11-15 to the beast of the land securing worship for the beast from the sea (Rome was across the sea from the place of the writing of the Apocalypse, Asia Minor) reminds one of the local priests of the imperial cult in Asia Minor whose task was to compel the people to offer a sacrifice to Caesar and proclaim him Lord. Megalomaniac that he was, Nero had coins minted in which he was called “almighty God” and “Savior.” Nero’s portrait also appears on coins as the god Apollo playing a lyre. While earlier emperors were proclaimed deities upon their deaths, Nero abandons all reserve and demanded divine honors while still alive (as did also Caligula before him, AD 37-41). Those who worshipped the emperor received a certificate or mark of approval – charagma, the same word used in Revelation 13:16. Furthermore, in the reign of Emperor Decius (AD 249-251), those who did not possess the certificate of sacrifice to Caesar couldn not pursue trades, a prohibition that conceivably goes back to Nero, reminding one of Revelation 13:17” (C Martin Pate and Calvin B. Haynes, Doomsday Delusions, 41-42)

Hank Hanegraaff (2004)

"John is saying to his readers that with wisdom and understanding they could discern the number of the Beast and the number of his name. If, in fact, the Beast was not around at that time, he would be have been giving them false information.. The beast is singularly Nero." (Voice of Reason 11/21)


“It is unbiblical to use the term ‘Antichrist’ for a present-day or future political ruler. The proper context is theological and pre-A. D. 70” (Gary DeMar, Last Days Madness, p.204).

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Rome/Monarchs/nero.html

Any other interpretation is simply folly.