The origin of Earth & man, according to mormonism.

[MISFIT]

Just to make sure I am still getting things right.....

1.Wealthy Mormons are better than everyone else?
2.Mormon women are basically ones with the sole purpose of bearing children?
3.Polygamy though not something openly practiced or taught is still done?
4.Jesus and Satan and brothers in terms of their doctrine?

5.And Godhood is possible to be achieved or something close to?

I added numbers so I can easily answers.

1. Yes that's what they think. If you were loyal and true in the pre-existence you are born into a wealthy LDS family. And let me tell you here in Utah they KNOW they are better and they never let you forget it, trust me.

2. Yes that is how it is. In fact the most common thing you hear people here say after a child is born is, "When are you having another one?"

3. It's still canonised but no longer practiced in the main LDS church, however many sub-groups still practice it.

4. Yes we all are, Jesus and Satan are simply the first and second born.

5. Godhood is the goal of the Mormon man that is what they live for.

 

[LostSoul]

Just to make sure I am still getting things right.....

1.Wealthy Mormons are better than everyone else?
2.Mormon women are basically ones with the sole purpose of bearing children?
3.Polygamy though not something openly practiced or taught is still done?
4.Jesus and Satan and brothers in terms of their doctrine?

5.And Godhood is possible to be achieved or something close to?

I added numbers so I can easily answers.

1. Yes that's what they think. If you were loyal and true in the pre-existence you are born into a wealthy LDS family. And let me tell you here in Utah they KNOW they are better and they never let you forget it, trust me.

2. Yes that is how it is. In fact the most common thing you hear people here say after a child is born is, "When are you having another one?"

3. It's still canonised but no longer practiced in the main LDS church, however many sub-groups still practice it.

4. Yes we all are, Jesus and Satan are simply the first and second born.

5. Godhood is the goal of the Mormon man that is what they live for.

Yikes....

Are there any other unusual practices they have or superstisions?

 

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I think I've covered all the really odd stuff, but if I think of anything else I'll tell you.

 

[kdexlds]

I viewed the the viedeo and as an ex-mormon this video is filled with half truths and complete falsehoods. Mormon doctrine has enough problems without this kind of anti mormon propoganda. There are are two many falsehoods to lists but here are a just a few.

1. Jesus and Lucifier are brothers - While true and not openly taught in the Church. This Teaching is ot unique to Mormonism, the idea was first taught in third century Christian writings.

2. Jesus practiced polygamy - This is not Mormon doctrine. There is no evidence in Mormonisn that Jesus was married and is not official doctirne that he was. However, James Talmadge, is his book sJesus the Christ , speculated Jesus may have been married but no mention multiple wives or children.

3. Elohim had sex with Mary - Mormons believe in the Virgin Birth, but that Jesus is the literal son of Elohim

If one is honest and truthful about what Mormon doctrine teaches there is no need for all the shock and misleading statements. A religion that has a Holy Spirit that is not omni-present cannot guide you to the truth.

Be happy to answer questions

 

[MISFIT]

I viewed the the viedeo and as an ex-mormon this video is filled with half truths and complete falsehoods. Mormon doctrine has enough problems without this kind of anti mormon propoganda. There are are two many falsehoods to lists but here are a just a few.

1. Jesus and Lucifier are brothers - While true and not openly taught in the Church. This Teaching is ot unique to Mormonism, the idea was first taught in third century Christian writings.

2. Jesus practiced polygamy - This is not Mormon doctrine. There is no evidence in Mormonisn that Jesus was married and is not official doctirne that he was. However, James Talmadge, is his book sJesus the Christ , speculated Jesus may have been married but no mention multiple wives or children.

3. Elohim had sex with Mary - Mormons believe in the Virgin Birth, but that Jesus is the literal son of Elohim

If one is honest and truthful about what Mormon doctrine teaches there is no need for all the shock and misleading statements. A religion that has a Holy Spirit that is not omni-present cannot guide you to the truth.

Be happy to answer questions

You are looking at it from a modern LDS point of view and not from LDS history. The LDS church has changed so many times it's hard to keep up, did you know Young taught that Adam was God the father? It's true as is that it's true that they have taught that Jesus had at least three wives, and that God the father had sex with Mary. I live in Utah and have studied Mormonism for years, what they have taught and what most Mormons know are two very different things. I would be happy to go toe to toe with you Mormonism if you wish.

 

[kdexlds]

There is no need to go toe to toe about Mormomism. I assure you I know more about the subject than most ex-mormons, I taught in seminary and institute fory many years. I Have over 2000 books mostly on apolegetics so I know the arguemnents on both sides. I know all about the Adam-God theory as taught by Brigham Young. Again, you are completely wrong about Jesus having three wives, the only reference in to Jesus having a wife is in the one book I cited earlier. Where is your source? As to Elohim having Sex witgh Mary that is can get vey debatable, but the line is that Mary was a Virgin. Living in Utah no more makes you an expert on Mormonism than does living in a garage make you an expert on trucks. Utah mormons know very little about their religion, since most of them have been mormons their whole life they take it for granted or as a right.

 

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You may not want to go toe to toe, but saying I'm wrong and insinuating that I know less than you, well you my friend have thrown down the proverbial gauntlet.

Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt wrote,

"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus -- such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them -- namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives" (The Seer, p.159)

And this from B. Young,

"Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified" (Journal of Discourses 2:82).

Now the reason I know so much about the LDS faith is because I live in Utah and wish to see my LDS friends and family come out and find the true Jesus.

BTW, I'm very glad you came out of it praise GOD for that.

 

[kdexlds]

You may not want to go toe to toe, but saying I'm wrong and insinuating that I know less than you, well you my friend have thrown down the proverbial gauntlet.

Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt wrote,

"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus -- such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them -- namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives" (The Seer, p.159)

And this from B. Young,

"Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified" (Journal of Discourses 2:82).

Now the reason I know so much about the LDS faith is because I live in Utah and wish to see my LDS friends and family come out and find the true Jesus.

BTW, I'm very glad you came out of it praise GOD for that.

Even though several leaders have expressed positive opinions on the subject, there has never been any revelation or official statement on the subject on behalf of the Church.

Dale Bills, a spokesman for the Church, said in a statement released Tuesday, 16 May 2006:

The belief that Christ was married has never been official church doctrine. It is neither sanctioned nor taught by the church. While it is true that a few church leaders in the mid-1800s expressed their opinions on the matter, it was not then, and is not now, church doctrine.
Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency...and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles...counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works†of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted.
â€â€LDS Newsroom, "Approaching Mormon Doctrine," lds.org (4 May 2007

My whole point was to show that that the video is not being honest abount Mormon Doctrine. It is dishonest in many ways when it doesn't need to be. I don't understand why anti-mormonn propoganda does this. Anyone who would be considered learning or investigating the Mormaon Church would be turned off be discovering the dishonesty in this type of propoganda.

 

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the cartoon was made by Ed Dekker, and I usually don't recommend anything he does. I posted the cartoon to get people asking questions about Mormonism, and I guess I did use it to "turn people off." As an ex-mo I'm sure you know that a lot of the LDS church's doctrine does not come from their 4 books of "scripture" but from the teachings of their leaders and "prophets." I actually have Mormon friends that hold the Jesus polygamy teaching as fact even today.


Now here's the thing, you and I should not be arguing about this stuff. We both know the true Jesus right? So if anything we should be helping each other educate the people here that have never heard or know little about Mormonism. Also I would love to hear how you came out of mormonism, if you care to share.

 

[kdexlds]

When I was a Stake missionary we would have people who were investigating the Church and then they would read or see the The Godmakers, and ask questions we would show them how dishonest and all the inaccruarcies of the book, the investigators would be get so turned off they almost always wantrd to get baptized and join the the Mormon Church.

I did not grow up in the church I joind the Church in my late twenties and left in my late forties. My entire family and I was raised in the Foursquare Church and I have two brothers who are ministers. In my seniot year of High School I used to attend only a half day and the rest of the day I would go to theology classes with my older brother at Fuller Seminay. I grew up learning that the Mormon religion was wrong and even argued with missionaires when they came to our door. In my late twentties, I met some Mormons who really impressed me so I deciced I wanted to learn more about the religion. For nearly a year a read anything I could get my hands on about Mormonism both pro and con, In that years time I had read nearly 500 books including the Book of Mormon several times. It was not an easy descion but after a year I took the lessons from the missionaries and got baptized and a year later got my temple endowments.

For nearly twenty years I was faithful temple reccomend carrying Mormon, seriving in numerous calling including teaching seminary and institute. Several thing over the years began to bother me, which ultimately lead me leavig the Church. 1. Mormons are racists. 2. Mormons treatment of Women as second class citzens, 3. that the Jesus that Mormon were teaching was not the as I had been taught as as child. 4. Holy Spirit which is not omni=present 5. The whole system of salvation by works or really Mormon works as the bishop sees it. and finally ignoring child molestors in th church.

 

[MISFIT]

Thanks for sharing. I've never been LDS but I'm born & raised here in Utah so I've been surrounded by it my whole life. When I was in my early twenties a good buddy of mine started telling me about the LDS teachings and I was intrigued but he said one thing to me that turned me off & made me want to learn more about what the LDS really believe, that thing was that men can become Gods. This was so out there and so blasphemous to me that I lost all interest in ever becoming Mormon. My wife was Mormon when we were married, but she came to know the true Jesus about a year after I did.

I agree with you about the god makers, it's full of mistakes and lies, I never recommend it to people. I either recommend books by the tanners and their web site (http://www.utlm.org), and the book by my good friend Shawn McCraney, "I was a Born again Mormon.

I don't know if you've seen any posts from Kelli, but she is also an Ex-Mormon. Once again glad your here and praise GOD you found your way out of mormonism.