The original Sin

[Enlightenedtruth]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

 

[miamited]

Hi Enlightenedtruth

So, you believe that even though Eve said to the serpent that God told them that they must not eat of the fruit, that she didn't know that was sin? I doubt that's going to hold up before God. Eve knew that she was disobeying God's command, according to her own words, when she ate of the fruit that then brought to her the knowledge of good and evil. I'm not sure that one knowing the word 'sin' and what it means, has much bearing on one's disobeying God's command to them.

However, if you'd rather consider the original sin to be Adam's eating of the fruit, that's ok with me. BTW was it Eve enticing Adam to eat of the fruit? Or the actual biting into the fruit that constituted the sin that God then came and told them they had done? Your explanation doesn't really make clear but seems to put the onus on Eve's enticement rather than the actual eating of the fruit, which is what God's command spoke of.

God bless,
Ted

 

[WIP]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

I don't know where in Scripture it says that Eve enticed, tempted, coerced, or otherwise convinced Adam to partake of the fruit. All it says is that Adam was with her and after she ate she gave some to him and he also ate. In fact, it seems to indicate that Adam was right there with her when the serpent tempted her so it is possible that he heard the entire conversation and maybe accepted it just the same as she did. Scripture also does not indicate that he made any attempt to stop her or resist it himself.

6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Genesis 3:6 NKJV

 

[miamited]

Hi Enlightenedtruth

The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

While I agree that a woman should not entice, seduce or in any way encourage a man to disobey God...I also believe that a man should never entice, seduce or in any way encourage a woman to disobey God.

But I think that Paul teaches the lesson much better in his writings to us of the duties and responsibilities of a wife. David also cautions men to be wary of the wayward woman. Delilah is another fine biblical example of a destructive woman. A woman who wouldn't rest until she had destroyed her husband.

However, there are plenty of wayward and destructive men portrayed to us in the Scriptures also. Somehow we just don't think of men as being 'enticing' or ' seductive'. But David must have been somewhat seductive to get Bethsheba into his bed. What about the account of Tamar? Was Tamar the sinner or was Judah?

God bless,
Ted

 

[JLB]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

We know Eve knew the commandment to not eat the fruit.


Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” Genesis 3:1-3



JLB

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Hi there, Enlightenedtruth.
What you are taught is the traditional misogynistic Catholic teaching, which primarily blames and shames Eve for eating the forbidding fruit, even though Adam as the leader was held responsible. This is NOT about sexual enticement or sudduction, sexuality was designed as a blessing, not a curse. The original sin is disobedience to God, deviation from God's orginal purpose and design. In order for laymen and laywomen to understand that, it's dumbed down and categorized into the Seven Deadly Sins - Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, Wrath. Pride is the deadliest, the essence of the original sin - I shall be like God! The other six are stemmed from it, and all are condemned explicitly through Jesus's parables and other teachings in the bible.

 

[Josef]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

Hey All,
You were taught incorrectly Enlightenedtruth. Eve had the knowledge to understand God's rule. She also knew the penalty for disobeying it. She understood God's rule well enough to tell it to the serpent. Eve did not have to have sin in her to understand what it is. Eve knew, and willingly disobeyed God.
Adam and Eve both understood what they were doing by eating the fruit. They knew God's rule. They had the ability to turn and walk away. They had the ability to call upon God for help. They did neither. They, knowingly ate the fruit. Disobedience is/was the original sin.

Your "lesson" is completely out of line. And while we are here, it is also sexist. Seriously, is that what you were taught? At a church? Would you mind mind sharing what church taught you this lesson? Were there any women at this teaching?

Eve was the vehicle of Adam's sin; not the cause. Adam had nobody but himself to blame for eating it. Instead of giving God lame excuses, he should have been on his knees asking for forgiveness.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Hey All,
You were taught incorrectly Enlightenedtruth. Eve had the knowledge to understand God's rule. She also knew the penalty for disobeying it. She understood God's rule well enough to tell it the serpent. Eve did not have to have sin in her to understand what it is. Eve knew, and willingly disobeyed God.
Adam and Eve both understood what they were doing by eating the fruit. They knew God's rule. They had the ability to turn and walk away. They had the ability to call upon God for help. They did neither. They, knowingly ate the fruit. Disobedience is/was the original sin.

I don't think so. Eve was genuinely deceived, Adam relayed an inaccurate version of God's order if you compare Gen. 2:17 and 3:3. God never said "nor shall you touch it," the only possibility is Adam's addition, that gave Eve a false impression that God was strict and oppressive, she was being left in the dark, that was a vulnerablity for the serpent to exploit. Eve made a mistake based on secondhand information, that was forgivable; Adam had the original order, and yet he gave in and ate the fruit as well, that was unforgivable.

 

[Enlightenedtruth]

Thank you all for your feedback. There is one response I will answer if I may;

Your "lesson" is completely out of line. And while we are here, it is also sexist. Seriously, is that what you were taught? At a church? Would you mind mind sharing what church taught you this lesson? Were there any women at this teaching?

My great-grandmother was my primary teacher back in 1970; so yes a woman was present. All my teachings were much different than anything I have encountered since; and the world was a different place back then. My great-grandmother held a lot of authority in the community (she'd whip the preacher in the blink of an eye if he said anything silly during any sermon); but she never held herself as being above the natural order of all things.

 

[WIP]

I'd like to remind everyone that this Q&A forum is not for debating differences of opinion. We are to focus on answering the OP's questions only and not debate each other.

 

[eddif]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

It is all the way to Pentecost before the Sons and Daughters begin to prophecy. I am afraid the garden experience will not give any of us the full story.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Satan deceived Eve with the lust of the eye that led Eve to sin as God told her and Adam to not eat of that particular tree, but both disobeyed God as they both walked in disobedience to God's command. Adam should have taken authority and told Eve not to eat of the fruit, but he chose to eat of it as it was enticing to both of them.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

 

[eddif]

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Satan deceived Eve with the lust of the eye that led Eve to sin as God told her and Adam to not eat of that particular tree, but both disobeyed God as they both walked in disobedience to God's command. Adam should have taken authority and told Eve not to eat of the fruit, but he chose to eat of it as it was enticing to both of them.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Enlightenedtruth
She done good
1 John 2:16 kjv
16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

eddif

 

[Josef]

Hey All,
The rules of the forum do not allow me to respond to your second post. But it explains a lot. I wish you would have put that in the original post. Please understand I was not disrespecting your great grandmother. Her teaching comes from how she learned this. Women did not have any rights back then. That is how she could say that conclusion.

Let me ask you; do you think what she said is still applicable for women today?

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

 

[WIP]

Hey All,
The rules of the forum do not allow me to respond to your second post. But it explains a lot. I wish you would have put that in the original post. Please understand I was not disrespecting your great grandmother. Her teaching comes from how she learned this. Women did not have any rights back then. That is how she could say that conclusion.

Let me ask you; do you think what she said is still applicable for women today?

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz

They do if the 2nd post contains a question and you are simply answering that question.

I posted this for everyone's benefit.

 

[Mark51]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

I do not believe that Genesis 3:6 implies that Adam committing the first “original sin”; and, do not see it having a specific lesson for women only.

It is clear at Genesis 2:7 the “man” was created first. Almighty God gave specific instructions regarding the “tree of knowledge.” (Genesis 2:16, 17) It seems reasonable to me that Adam understood what death meant. He certainly witnessed animals being born and dying.

Later after some unspecified period of time, the “woman/helper/compliment” was created. (Genesis 2:18, 22) It also seems reasonable that Adam instructed Eve about his relationship with God and of His only command.

As the account reveals, Satan tempted and lied to her. The time period between being tempted and partaking of the fruit is not known. She did not consult with her husband Regardless, having “free will,” she allowed improper desires to take root and sinned. This showed rebellion and disrespect against her husband; also, more importantly, against God.-1 Timothy 2:14, James 1:14

Yes, later Adam yielded, in a rebellion against God, to please his sinful wife’s encouragement or by his own wrong desires-perhaps both. Notice how Adam shamefully tried to deflect his error to his wife and his creator.-Genesis 3:12.

 

[Hopeful 2]

So I would like to share what I was taught; then ask for opinions.

I was taught when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, that she did disobey God; but that was not the Sin itself because she did not have the Knowledge to understand Sin before that first bite. Afterwards, when she did entice Adam to eat of the fruit; that was the Original Sin. The lesson, women must never entice, seduce or in anyway encourage a man to disobey God.

The first sin was Eve's disobedience to God.

 

[electedbyHim]

Eve did sin because she was easily deceived (1 Timothy 2:14). But Adam was to blame because He was the head in the relationship. Eve was under his care.

By nature Eve was not suited to assume the position of ultimate responsibility. By leaving Adam's protection and usurping his headship, she was vulnerable and fell, thus confirming how important it was for her to stay under the protection and leadership of her husband. Adam then violated his leadership role, followed Eve in her sin, and plunged the human race into sinfulness—all connected with violating God's planned roles for the sexes. Ultimately, the responsibility for the Fall still rests with Adam, since he chose to disobey God apart from being deceived.

Genesis 3:17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’; Cursed is the ground because of you; In pain you will eat of it All the days of your life.

Because you have heeded. The reason given for the curse on the ground and human death is that man turned his back on the voice of God, to follow his wife in eating that from which God had ordered him to abstain. The woman sinned because she acted independently of her husband, disdaining his leadership, counsel, and protection. The man sinned because he abandoned his leadership and followed the wishes of his wife. In both cases, God's intended roles were reversed.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi Enlightenedtruth

This is a big topic.
All I want to say is that Eve did sin.
But that is not the original sin.

When ADAM took a bite of the forbidden fruit, THAT is when mankind fell.
He caused the fall because HE was the federal head....the representative of humanity.

Not because he was a man....

but because God made His covenant with Adam, not with Eve.
The Edenic Covenant

And

Also Paul states this
Romans 5:12
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world,

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

This is a big topic.
All I want to say is that Eve did sin.
But that is not the original sin.

I'd say that this is a big tragedy.

Intercourse is the primary and natural means for the creation of a new life. The early church understood this, until St. Augustine turned it into a stigma, somehow "forbidden fruit" became a euphemism for losing virginity before marriage, it replaced disobedience to God as the original sin, and it's weaponized to shame and control women. Many people including the OP are under this impression that Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden
due to their intimacy.

If you read the first three chapters carefully, the truth may be the polar opposite of that. In Gen. 4:1-2, the first thing Adam and Eve did after they were out was conception of Cain, but there's no mention of "Adam knew his wife" before that, even though God told them to consummate their marriage. However, they listened to the devil instead of God, and they ate the forbidden fruit instead of consummating their marriage. Till today, most people including me are sexually broken in various degrees due to this distorted view of sexuality.