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The Pagan Easter

If you guys want to discuss images, start another thread. It would be interesting to see what people believe about that false image of Jesus.
 
jasonc said:
oddly, pashac for me would be an idol. I have to remind myself im not a jew like unto my kin. but a follower of god whenever I read or get heavy into my ancestral lineage. its not all the time but its different when the faith is a family thing on a bigger level. jews unlike most Christians do things as a group.
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I don't know, Jason. I'm not Jewish and as far as I know, no one in my family ever practiced Judaism. And yet, I have found that the deeper I study the Word, both old and new, I find myself draw to the things of Judaism. So I have to carefully look at the motives of my heart. Am I always keeping Yeshua between my eyes and on my left hand, rather than rituals?
 
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Deborah13 said:
I don't know, Jason. I'm not Jewish and as far as I know, no one in my family ever practiced Judaism. And yet, I have found that the deeper I study the Word, both old and new, I find myself draw to the things of Judaism. So I have to carefully look at the motives of my heart. Am I always keeping Yeshua between my eyes and on my right hand, rather than rituals?
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you can go very legalistic with that, and miss the cross and why its is greater and the "heavier matters" of the law, ie mercy, love etc.

if you notice Jesus didn't say sin was good ,just showed mercy and love to those that needed it, he Judged rightly when he stated those woes. we aren't in that position. we often like to think we are but we aren't.
 
try saying this to a jew knowing they don't get peshac fully.

chag peshac shameach which means happy Passover.
 
Gary said:
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So do you think that it is OK to color eggs red as the early Christians did and still do, in the middle east, before the Roman church existed? And the sedar plate also has the roasted egg, although it is not mentioned in scripture?
 
Deborah13 said:
So do you think that it is OK to color eggs red as the early Christians did and still do, in the middle east, before the Roman church existed? And the sedar plate also has the roasted egg?
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Pertaining to the traditions of men, it's not my place to judge what is and what isn't ok.

The convictions I hold tell me not to do it, so I don't. If others who don't hold my beliefs wish to observe that holiday, I personally have no problem with that.

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Gary said:
...If others who don't hold my beliefs wish to observe that holiday, I personally have no problem with that..
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So glad to hear you say this. I was just reading through this thread again today and am glad to see you have changed your mind on this from when you said:
Gary said:
...Many on Easter take part in pagan rituals, but are unaware of what they're doing. Will the Lord overlook that?

Personally, I don't believe He does....
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Obadiah said:
So glad to hear you say this. I was just reading through this thread again today and am glad to see you have changed your mind on this from when you said:
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I haven't changed my mind. That's what I truly believe. And I truly do not have a problem with the way one chooses to worship.

It's a personal conviction.

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I don't mind either position so long as its not legalistic in nature. I believe as it says romans 14.
 
Gary said:
Do you believe the Lord will overlook blindness?

What I'm referring to is the praising of other gods. Many on Easter take part in pagan rituals, but are unaware of what they're doing. Will the Lord overlook that?

Personally, I don't believe He does.

Thoughts?

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I agree with you Gary.
Exodus 32:4-10 is an example of God’s people mixing the worship of God with pagan practices.

Exodus 32: 4-6 Holman Christian Standard Bible

4 He took the gold from their hands, fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made it into an image of a calf. Then they said, “Israel, this is your God, who brought you up from the land of Egypt! ” 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; then he made an announcement: “There will be a festival to the LORD tomorrow.” 6 Early the next morning they arose, offered burnt offerings, and presented fellowship offerings. The people sat down to eat and drink, then got up to play.

In the first two of the Ten Commandments given through Moses, God said: Thou shalt have no other gods before me… thy God, am a jealous God.(Deuteronomy 5:6-9) God would not tolerate any kind of false worship.

For example, while Moses was yet on Mount Sinai where he received the Ten Commandments, the Israelites began to mix symbols of Egyptian religion with their worship of God. After collecting gold earrings from the people, a molten statue of a calf was made. They called the calf the God of Israel, who led them out of the land of Egypt. Then Aaron said that there would be a festival to the Lord the next day. They woke the next morning and offered sacrifices and then ate, drank and basically had a party. As with those who celebrate the modern-day Easter festival, the Israelites were professing to worship the true God. Remember, it was called “a festival to the Lord.” They intended to associate God with the image. Yet, they were frolicking at a festival that mimicked an Egyptian deity, perhaps Apis, who was represented as a young bull. God was not pleased.

God expects Christians to keep their worship pure and untainted, having nothing to do with customs, symbols, or festivals associated with false gods. God has seen firsthand the pagan religious practices from which Easter originated. Today God sees people continuing to practice those same customs. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 explains God’s feelings about yoking together what is righteous with what is unrighteous. God wants us to stop touching the unclean things. Many have recently become aware of the pagan origins of Easter and Christmas. I used to celebrate those holidays also, that was until I learned they were tainted by paganism. So now we all know and must make up our minds. Do we head the counsel in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17. Remember also what Hebrews 10:26 says.
 
Gary said:
I haven't changed my mind. That's what I truly believe. And I truly do not have a problem with the way one chooses to worship.

It's a personal conviction.

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Oh, OK. I just misunderstood you. When you said you didn't believe the Lord would overlook people unknowingly taking part in "pagan rituals", I thought you meant you had a problem with this too. But it's true, it actually is the Lord's place to have a problem with this and not for us to judge. Still, I'm glad to hear you say this!
 
Leah781 said:
I agree with you Gary.
Exodus 32:4-10 is an example of God’s people mixing the worship of God with pagan practices.

Exodus 32: 4-6 Holman Christian Standard Bible

4 He took the gold from their hands, fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made it into an image of a calf. Then they said, “Israel, this is your God, who brought you up from the land of Egypt! ” 5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; then he made an announcement: “There will be a festival to the LORD tomorrow.” 6 Early the next morning they arose, offered burnt offerings, and presented fellowship offerings. The people sat down to eat and drink, then got up to play.

In the first two of the Ten Commandments given through Moses, God said: Thou shalt have no other gods before me… thy God, am a jealous God.(Deuteronomy 5:6-9) God would not tolerate any kind of false worship.

For example, while Moses was yet on Mount Sinai where he received the Ten Commandments, the Israelites began to mix symbols of Egyptian religion with their worship of God. After collecting gold earrings from the people, a molten statue of a calf was made. They called the calf the God of Israel, who led them out of the land of Egypt. Then Aaron said that there would be a festival to the Lord the next day. They woke the next morning and offered sacrifices and then ate, drank and basically had a party. As with those who celebrate the modern-day Easter festival, the Israelites were professing to worship the true God. Remember, it was called “a festival to the Lord.” They intended to associate God with the image. Yet, they were frolicking at a festival that mimicked an Egyptian deity, perhaps Apis, who was represented as a young bull. God was not pleased.

God expects Christians to keep their worship pure and untainted, having nothing to do with customs, symbols, or festivals associated with false gods. God has seen firsthand the pagan religious practices from which Easter originated. Today God sees people continuing to practice those same customs. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 explains God’s feelings about yoking together what is righteous with what is unrighteous. God wants us to stop touching the unclean things. Many have recently become aware of the pagan origins of Easter and Christmas. I used to celebrate those holidays also, that was until I learned they were tainted by paganism. So now we all know and must make up our minds. Do we head the counsel in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17. Remember also what Hebrews 10:26 says.
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Not sure if you read that whole thread or not, but I'm wondering in light of this how do you view the symbol of the cross? It was pointed out earlier that the cross is a symbol that came from paganism as well as being a symbol of a horribly murderous anti-Christian government, and was never used by the early church as a symbol of Jesus or Christianity. Since the cross is a similar symbol that Christians have taken from paganism and are using for Christian purposes today, can I assume you reject the cross as well?
 
Gary said:
Pertaining to the traditions of men, it's not my place to judge what is and what isn't ok.

The convictions I hold tell me not to do it, so I don't. If others who don't hold my beliefs wish to observe that holiday, I personally have no problem with that.

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If your convictions tell you not to do it, then why would you have no problem with other people doing it? To me that sounds similar to "it's not ok for me, but it might be ok for you". What about loving your neighbor as yourself and how that applies?
 
Gary said:
Pertaining to the traditions of men, it's not my place to judge what is and what isn't ok.

The convictions I hold tell me not to do it, so I don't. If others who don't hold my beliefs wish to observe that holiday, I personally have no problem with that.

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You have problems observing Resurrection Day/Firstfruits or observing it with eggs and such?
 
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