"THE PAULINE DOCTRINE

[ozell]

There are many more texts than this one from Romans that tell us that the Law of Moses has been abolished. There are texts in Ephesians, Colossians, and Galatians. Not to mention Jesus' clear overturning of the Levitical food laws (e.g. in Mark 7).

I see no way to argue that the Law of Moses is still in force. True, Paul does retain the concept of law and the need to obey "law", but whatever he means by this, he most certainly cannot be referring to the Law of Moses. There is a literal mountain of Biblical evidence that the Law of Moses has indeed been retired.

We can, of course, go further on the issue of what Paul means by "the law being established" in Romans 3. But I see no argument at all that the Law of Moses still persists.

We do not have to have the Law of Moses to affirm that "sin is lawlessness", by the way.

you have many more text that tell us that the law of animal sacrifice is no more.

you have not one text from God that says the commandments or any other laws outside of animal sacrifice is no more.

if you can find one put it.

 

[ozell]

John 1:17 -"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

No holy men of God, from Adam to Moses were told to keep the Sabbath.

The Sabbath Law was given to the Children of Israel as a sign of their escape from Egypt.

Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

According to the Sabbath Law..."Abide ye every man in his place...let no man go out of his place."
[quote="Exodus 16:29":gx7jha80]See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

Here, Paul goes out of the city....he broke the Sabbath Law.

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

We are now under the New Covenant.[/quote:gx7jha80]


what is the new covenant that you are under?

 

[francisdesales]

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God. Now go into your history books and prove me wrong, I challenge you to do so.

Saturday worship is part of the Mosaic Law, something that makes Jews Jews...

The idea that this is to be universally applied (as if it supersedes the Mosaic Law) is false based upon the fact that all nations do not have the same calendar as the Jews did - and thus, worshiping on the seventh day would have no significance for those with a 8 day or 5 day calendar...

This subject has been recently discussed ad nauseum quite recently with other SDA people, and the answer is the same yet again. The bible gave the Church authority, and she understood and utilized this authority to proclaim the "Lord's Day" as the new creation, making the old creation a shadow of what the Christ was to bring about. We see proof of the utilization of this authority in Acts 15 with the ending of circumcision, ALSO a command given by the Lord and made contingent to JOINING the people of Israel. The CHURCH, without ANY Scriptural warrant, decided that this requirement was not longer necessary...

The same for the Sabbath, which Paul seems to imply in Colossians, as well as other contemporary writings of the era tell us...

Regards

 

[ozell]

Saturday worship is part of the Mosaic Law, something that makes Jews Jews

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where is this written in the bible or is this your thoughts and understanding?

The idea that this is to be universally applied (as if it supersedes the Mosaic Law) is false based upon the fact that all nations do not have the same calendar as the Jews did - and thus, worshiping on the seventh day would have no significance for those with a 8 day or 5 day calendar...

what nation on this earth has a 8 day or 5 day calendar?

This subject has been recently discussed ad nauseum quite recently with other SDA people, and the answer is the same yet again. The bible gave the Church authority, and she understood and utilized this authority to proclaim the "Lord's Day" as the new creation, making the old creation a shadow of what the Christ was to bring about. We see proof of the utilization of this authority in Acts 15 with the ending of circumcision, ALSO a command given by the Lord and made contingent to JOINING the people of Israel. The CHURCH, without ANY Scriptural warrant, decided that this requirement was not longer necessary...

this lesson has never been addressed on this forum.

The same for the Sabbath, which Paul seems to imply in Colossians, as well as other contemporary writings of the era tell us.. Regards

what did Paul say to colossians in regard to keeping God's sabbath day

 

[francisdesales]

Saturday worship is part of the Mosaic Law, something that makes Jews Jews

...

where is this written in the bible or is this your thoughts and understanding?

"this"? that Saturday is a day of worship for Jews? You want a verse for that?

The idea that this is to be universally applied (as if it supersedes the Mosaic Law) is false based upon the fact that all nations do not have the same calendar as the Jews did - and thus, worshiping on the seventh day would have no significance for those with a 8 day or 5 day calendar...

what nation on this earth has a 8 day or 5 day calendar?

Google it... Some nations still use a weekly calendar that is not seven days...

This subject has been recently discussed ad nauseum quite recently with other SDA people, and the answer is the same yet again...

this lesson has never been addressed on this forum.

:biglol :biglaugh :rolling

The same for the Sabbath, which Paul seems to imply in Colossians, as well as other contemporary writings of the era tell us..

what did Paul say to colossians in regard to keeping God's sabbath day

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ. Col 2:16-17

Why do you desire to follow the "shadow" when the Christ has already come, bringing a New Covenant, a New Law? Doesn't Paul make it crystal clear that we no longer have to be circumcised, refrain from pork, and all of those other Jewish regulations? Why do people insist on bringing them back?

Regards

 

[LaCrum]

Not to mention the fact that God clearly states taht the Sabbath Law is between God and Israel.

“The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested†(Exodus 31:16–17).

 

[glorydaz]

Not to mention the fact that God clearly states taht the Sabbath Law is between God and Israel.

“The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested†(Exodus 31:16–17).

Yes, it was a sign given to the children of Israel in remembrance of their escape from Egypt.
It was a shadow pointing to a future rest to be given the people of God when Christ came.

For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest,†although the works were finished from the foundation of the world For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His worksâ€; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,†after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience."

 

[theTruthful]

dear God, has religion so blinded us?


"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


i dont need a temple, nor a sabbath day to speak with my Father. i ALWAYS have confident, joyful access to the throne of grace by the blessed Body of Jesus Christ. whom the Son has set free is free indeed.