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Deborah13 said:
No, the ID is not government issued. Not by the feds or any state.

I have both a CO ID and a CO driver's license.
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I have four id's
One for city use.my school board acess badge.military id and dl.of those the dl is the easiest to get.the others require an police check. The military one is the most thorough on that

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Sojourn, do you feel it's a sin to get a passport or a drivers license?

Or for that matter, is it a sin to cooperate with the present Governmental system or Caesar, as you call it, especially when we all know that system will pass away with the world shortly?
 
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Kenny_ms said:
Sojourn, do you feel it's a sin to get a passport or a drivers license?

Or for that matter, is it a sin to cooperate with the present Governmental system or Caesar, as you call it, especially when we all know that system will pass away with the world shortly?
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Kenny, I did an @ and sojourner4Christ so that he will get an alert to your very good question.

sojourner4Christ Did you see Kenny's question above, I wondering, too?
 
Just a thought but, wouldn't....

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

......also, at least conceivably, cover yielding to government ways, like going ahead and getting that passport or drivers license...cooperating in general?

We have to live in the world and to do so there has to be some form of order. And since we can't very well have a mainstream Christian AND worldly government, it seems to me, the one we have does a pretty good job of taking care of things....at least when we consider some things just have to be the way they are for now.

The government may not be a perfect solution (or maybe it is, all considered, at least basically) .... neither is this part of our life, but we are destined due to original sin to live with it, at least for now so.....
 
Kenny_ms said:
"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
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For myself, this is where it all started. Reading it was followed by an extremely prompt question in my mind...what actually belonged to Caesar? If heaven is the throne and earth is the footstool and all creation is for His purpose and good pleasure, then how can any single person born claim anything is actually theirs? I understand that we toss around language sometimes without thinking, but I don't presume to think God ever did. After all, even "my" children aren't mine, they belong to God.
 
Northman said:
For myself, this is where it all started. Reading it was followed by an extremely prompt question in my mind...what actually belonged to Caesar? If heaven is the throne and earth is the footstool and all creation is for His purpose and good pleasure, then how can any single person born claim anything is actually theirs? I understand that we toss around language sometimes without thinking, but I don't presume to think God ever did. After all, even "my" children aren't mine, they belong to God.
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Yet at the same time, God still said it. So do you think he was tossing words or he indeed was at least considering some things to be Caesar's?
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Kenny_ms said:
We have to live in the world and to do so there has to be some form of order. And since we can't very well have a mainstream Christian AND worldly government, it seems to me, the one we have does a pretty good job of taking care of things....at least when we consider some things just have to be the way they are for now.
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I agree.
I look at this way. Laws were made for the lawless and those who are not prudent or wise, 100% of the time. That would include Christians who are not wise 100% of the time. So they are a necessary evil for now.
 
Kenny_ms said:
Yet at the same time, God still said it. So do you think he was tossing words or he indeed was at least considering some things to be Caesar's?
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I don't think anything was tossed at all. What I do think is that I own exactly how much Caesar owned, which is absolutely nothing at all.

Don't get me wrong, I believe our command for functioning in this world stands as it's written, and that's simply to live in peace to the best of our ability. The ability given some is not the same as given to others though.
 
Northman said:
I don't think anything was tossed at all. What I do think is that I own exactly how much Caesar owned, which is absolutely nothing at all.

Don't get me wrong, I believe our command for functioning in this world stands as it's written, and that's simply to live in peace to the best of our ability. The ability given some is not the same as given to others though.
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god allows men to use what he made for good or evil. it also says something about annias and saphira about the money being theirs to do with as they please.
 
Deborah13 said:
I agree.
I look at this way. Laws were made for the lawless and those who are not prudent or wise, 100% of the time. That would include Christians who are not wise 100% of the time. So they are a necessary evil for now.
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Agree......100%. :)..
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And then there are all the local and state taxes.... on phone bills.... on the internet.... when one buys groceries, household goods, clothing ... there are state and federal taxes on gasoline..........

Taxes are everywhere
 
reba said:
Any use of public roads is a use of government funds... as is any public utilities...
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public roads yes but unless you live in a county or state and have kids that is required to have power and water one doesn't have to have power or water . one can lawfully use a flow well and solar power or what not. you are paying the utility to provide a service. you don't have to pay for that. that is the distinction. when I read Gifford or a few other areas we have people that don't have either and dwell in the home with kids or as single persons. usually the extreme poor.
 
AirDancer said:
And then there are all the local and state taxes.... on phone bills.... on the internet.... when one buys groceries, household goods, clothing ... there are state and federal taxes on gasoline..........

Taxes are everywhere
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And for as little as my family uses anything that has been paid for by taxpayers, such as roads, between state income taxes and sales tax we have paid our share.
 
jasonc said:
public roads yes but unless you live in a county or state and have kids that is required to have power and water one doesn't have to have power or water . one can lawfully use a flow well and solar power or what not. you are paying the utility to provide a service. you don't have to pay for that. that is the distinction. when I read Gifford or a few other areas we have people that don't have either and dwell in the home with kids or as single persons. usually the extreme poor.
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We don't use any public utilities. The electric is a privately owned co-op. We have our own water and septic. If something goes wrong with either it is at our expense to fix it.
 
Deborah13 said:
We don't use any public utilities. The electric is a privately owned co-op. We have our own water and septic. If something goes wrong with either it is at our expense to fix it.
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you in either case after the meter (to include the weatherhead) responsible to maintain. septic tanks ugh, pump outs and drain field problems. been there with that, just a pump out.
 
Deborah13 said:
I agree.
I look at this way. Laws were made for the lawless and those who are not prudent or wise, 100% of the time. That would include Christians who are not wise 100% of the time. So they are a necessary evil for now.
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And that was the original intent wasn't it? There is something amiss now though. I know it's different for lots of you folks just because of where you live. Understand though that where I live it is illegal to prepare for your defence, to defend yourself or family with deadly force under most circumstances that only courts get to decide after the fact, or to offend someone by mentioning sin. These are just a couple of examples where the government has taken it upon itself to override God and say that these things are lawless. It's gets worse in other places, as everyone well knows.
 
Northman said:
And that was the original intent wasn't it? There is something amiss now though. I know it's different for lots of you folks just because of where you live. Understand though that where I live it is illegal to prepare for your defence, to defend yourself or family with deadly force under most circumstances that only courts get to decide after the fact, or to offend someone by mentioning sin. These are just a couple of examples where the government has taken it upon itself to override God and say that these things are lawless. It's gets worse in other places, as everyone well knows.
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even in the pro gun states, one of which is where I live. it will be investigate if I shoot an intruder. it has to verify that he did break in. he shot from the front and even from the rear there has to be evidence that he broke in. its a loaded question. the Zimmerman case is in my state. the stand your ground act allows for self defense but its not a perfect law. case in point Zimmerman. he did imho place himself in that situation. he didn't have to follow Trevon, at all, while he did likely turn around, we will never know the full story.
 
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