The Police Officer

[Kenny_ms]

Commercial activity, by definition, involves profiteering, the profit motive, and that goes to one’s wants (not his needs) and that is Caesar’s kingdom.

No, it doesn't and I have no reason to believe Jesus wasn't a Carpenter by trade. And profit is the whole idea of any work, even if we just drag ourselves out of bed to go to the bathroom....we profit from it. People couldn't live without profit. Profit DOES NOT equate to profiteering "by definition", you are not telling the truth.

prof·it·eer
ˌpräfəˈtir/
verb
gerund or present participle: profiteering
make or seek to make an excessive or unfair profit, especially illegally or in a black market.
"the profiteering of tabloid journalists"
synonyms: overcharge, racketeer;More

Rather, they left that world, just like I have.

No, he didn't leave the world, these people lived and preached to the world, why on earth would they leave it. The bible said he was a tent maker and if he made his own way making/repairing tents, he was commercial just as Jesus just as likely was than not with his Carpentry.

Sorry but seems to me you are making a lot of this stuff up as you go along.

com·merce
ˈkämərs/
noun
noun: commerce; noun: comm.
1.
the activity of buying and selling, especially on a large scale.
"the possible increase of commerce by a great railroad"
synonyms: trade, trading, buying and selling, business, dealing, traffic;More

 

[Kenny_ms]

Not correct. I do not “take part in the Government.”

Taxes are everywhere. The body of Christ is not made up of thieves; we pay for what we use.

lol I know it's a bit weird when illusion comes to dominate reality, but the roads really do belong to the people.

Who builds the roads with taxes...the Government.

You drive you take part in the Government, you pay taxes you take part in the government, if you say you don't, the truth is not in you. And I would guess that is not the only way you take part in the government but if I confront you with other way, you would just say you don't, whether it's true or not, you have proven that already. It's getting very hard to take you seriously.

 

[jasonc]

lol I know it's a bit weird when illusion comes to dominate reality, but the roads really do belong to the people. Check it yourself by clicking on the link. Scroll down to the 10th word, "unalienable' --> Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1856

Two other Law Dictionary ref's follow below (1914 & 1959).

When we all stepped into commerce, we all compromised our traditionally vested rights. You only have two absolute 'unalienable rights': Life and Liberty. Everything else is conditioned on your conduct and consent. Your life and liberty are vested by God in Genesis 2:7. Dominion over property is conditional, this being the lesson of Adam in the garden.

Unalienable: "Incapable of being transferred. Things which are not in commerce as, public roads, are in their nature unalienable. The natural rights of life and liberty are unalienable." Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1914), page 3350.

Unalienable: The state of a thing or right which cannot be sold. Things which are not in commerce as, public roads, are in their nature unalienable. The natural rights of life and liberty are unalienable." Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1959), Vol.2, p.610.

You don't have unalienable rights in commerce, because everything is negotiable. "Every man has his price" is the mantra. This is simply because neither you, nor your neighbor, have a right vested by God to lie, cheat, steal, or financially profit (Exodus 20:15-17). Traditionally vested rights which are retained by born again believers should never be compromised by entering into commerce. Labeling oneself a 'persona' is when you say you are an article in commerce.

Double speak. Jesus didon't sin.so he didn't render unto ceaser? He didn't work? His parents were taxed. That fulfilled a prophecy.zacheus never was told not collect taxes only to collect what was due

 

[sojourner4Christ]

No, it doesn't and I have no reason to believe Jesus wasn't a Carpenter by trade.

You’re adding to the scriptures here, which, of course, is a sin. Jesus never claimed to be a carpenter. And the reason you’re doing that is because of your worldly conditioning. You can’t seem to get your head around the fact that Jesus’ kingdom was, as he said. not of this world. Jesus could do only the will of the Father, which was, in short, to set the captives free. You’re proposing the blasphemy that it was the Father’s will that Jesus enter into Caesar’s commercial world (as a carpenter)! Rather, Jesus tossed the bloody bankers out of the synagogue!

And I will correct you again here:

And profit is the whole idea of any work, even if we just drag ourselves out of bed to go to the bathroom....we profit from it. People couldn't live without profit. Profit DOES NOT equate to profiteering "by definition", you are not telling the truth.

No, NOT “any work,” Work is work, while profit is profit. And the workman is worthy of his wages. But profit goes to your greed, to your wants, to your desire for excess. Profit goes above one’s needs, and we must avoid that desire for gain. Rather, it is the Lord who will provide for our needs -- not our wants. When you step into profiteering, you are saying the Lord’s provision is insufficient and his word untrue. This truth has already been scripturally demonstrated earlier in this thread. You have been reading only what feels safe for you to read and respond to, while avoiding anything that comes into conflict with your conditioning.

Rather, they left that world, just like I have.

No, he didn't leave the world, these people lived and preached to the world, why on earth would they leave it.

Obviously, he never physically. left the world! Still in .the world but not OF the world. When we say “left,” we mean that he took his allegiance OUT of it, and to its master Caesar, OUT of it (actually, Jesus’ never had any allegiance to Caesar in the first place -- and neither should we! because no man can serve two masters).

The bible said he was a tent maker and if he made his own way making/repairing tents, he was commercial just as Jesus just as likely was than not with his Carpentry.

“if”? First, you again assume with your Jesus=Carpenter fabrication. Do you think for one second that Jesus was involved in commerce as one of the world? Apparently, your conditioning keeps telling you he was! And this after he said his kingdom is not of this world. You see, this is the power of the lie that most are living and are suffering greatly for it even today, as they violate scripture’s command to not borrow (average debt load for USA. Inc. “citizen” is $14,000; foreclosures looming over their mortgages, credit cards maxed, gov't thugs at their doors, ad nauseum.). All because they stepped into Caesar’s world of commerce, of profiteering, and struck hands with the heathen, the ungodly, in order to lust after their wants, rather than trusting the Father with their needs.

Second, being “a tent maker” does not necessarily mean he was participating in commerce! Go back and read the scriptural def. of buying and selling.

Who builds the roads with taxes...the Government.

You drive you take part in the Government..

No. the common way exists from antiquity -- long before Caesar attempted to usurp all of God’s creation and claim it as his own. I did not ask Caesar to pave or modify that common way. As I documented for all our readers here, even Caesar’s law, straight from his Law Dictionary, clearly states that the roads are public and unalienable. PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU COMMIT TO COMMENT.

...you pay taxes you take part in the government, if you say you don't, the truth is not in you.

Rather, I am not under Caesar’s jurisdiction because I do not participate in commerce. I can’t explain that to you yet a third time, so go back and read this thread diligently if you want to be set free.

And I would guess that is not the only way you take part in the government but if I confront you with other way, you would just say you don't, whether it's true or not, you have proven that already. It's getting very hard to take you seriously.

You have no other way to justify the truth that has been set before you but .to “guess”!!!

You have been argumentative from the start, and I understand why, and I forgive you. However, you are not the only fish in the pond here. MANY others are reading this because they, too, know something is wrong with the current setup (witness the OP), but they’re not exactly sure what that is. And unless you’re willing to do the research, to follow up on and contribute to the truth, seeking and examining evidence and documentation and scriptures that have been brought to the table here, then you remain an offense to our readers and to the Truth.

Double speak. Jesus didon't sin.so he didn't render unto ceaser? He didn't work? His parents were taxed. That fulfilled a prophecy.zacheus never was told not collect taxes only to collect what was due

Taxes per se .is not the issue! Compromising your liberty and witness when you stepped into commerce is the issue! Witness the OP.

 

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