The Rapture a false doctrine.

[JJsaint]

THE RAPTURE HOAX by JJ

The rapture teaching is a false teaching.

People can say or warn about ''deceive the very elect'' but then do it themselves through their doctrines...

THE LITTLE HORN OF DANIEL

Daniel 7:8:I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:21:I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

How can the horn make war with the saints,if they are not on earth?

TAKING OUT OF THE WICKED

The wicked are taken out first - not the righteous or the saints.

Noah's flood was used as an example of the wicked been taken out.

Matthew 24:37-41:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


The saints will not be taken to Heaven - The Tares will be gathered first.


Matthew 13:40-41:40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;


Matthew 13:49:So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,


Matthew 7:20:Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Matthew 15:13:But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.


Luke 3:17:Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.


2 Peter 3:7:But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Psalm 34:16:The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.


Psalm 37:22:For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.


THE SAINTS INHERIT THE EARTH


The saints do not go to Heaven.
The Earth is theirs,they inherit the earth.
The Kingdom is on earth.



Matthew 5:5:Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


Matthew 6:10:Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


Psalm 115:16:The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.


Psalm 25:13:His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.


1 Corinthians 10:26:For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.


Isaiah 65:17:For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Isaiah 66:22:For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


Revelations 21:2:And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Psalm 37:29:The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

AIR


1 Thessalonians 4:17:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


We will meet the Lord in the air - note it does not say Heaven.


THE EARTH(2)


Hebrews 12:26-27:26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.


The earth will be shaken.


JUDGE


Jude 1:14:And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,


This already happened on Mount Sinai.


Deuteronomy 33:2:And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

 

[nmwings]

You are correct! But now that you've done such a great job explaining it, why is it that you have not ended your message with a blessing? Your readers need to know that there IS an escape, and it is called the "Greater Exodus." Paul mentions it briefly in 1 Cor 10, but Moses and the Prophets speak of it in GREAT detail. (Deut 30, Isa 43 and 44, Jer 16 and 23, and Ezek 34, to name just a few.)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

i really question this.
one can only agree with this if one knows and understands the writers' definition of the rapture.
i know for a fact that people believe different things about the rapture.
if 1 thessalonians is to be taken literally, then the rapture is true.
we are caught up in the air with Christ.
if someone has a deeper understanding of this verse, then it should be clarified before stating it is not true.

 

[digging]

Perhaps we could say the Jews were 'raptured' out of Egypt, it's all more connected to other beliefs as was mentioned that about the earth as the place of the Kingdom which I completely agree with.

I agree there is a great Exodus that needs to happen again this time out of Babylon......

Digging

 

[JLB]

THE RAPTURE HOAX by JJ

The rapture teaching is a false teaching.

People can say or warn about ''deceive the very elect'' but then do it themselves through their doctrines...

THE LITTLE HORN OF DANIEL

Daniel 7:8:I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:21:I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

How can the horn make war with the saints,if they are not on earth?

TAKING OUT OF THE WICKED

The wicked are taken out first - not the righteous or the saints.

Noah's flood was used as an example of the wicked been taken out.

Matthew 24:37-41:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


The saints will not be taken to Heaven - The Tares will be gathered first.


Matthew 13:40-41:40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;


Matthew 13:49:So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,


Matthew 7:20:Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Matthew 15:13:But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.


Luke 3:17:Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.


2 Peter 3:7:But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


Psalm 34:16:The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.


Psalm 37:22:For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.


THE SAINTS INHERIT THE EARTH


The saints do not go to Heaven.
The Earth is theirs,they inherit the earth.
The Kingdom is on earth.



Matthew 5:5:Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


Matthew 6:10:Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


Psalm 115:16:The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.


Psalm 25:13:His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.


1 Corinthians 10:26:For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.


Isaiah 65:17:For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Isaiah 66:22:For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


Revelations 21:2:And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.


Psalm 37:29:The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

AIR


1 Thessalonians 4:17:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


We will meet the Lord in the air - note it does not say Heaven.


THE EARTH(2)


Hebrews 12:26-27:26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.


The earth will be shaken.


JUDGE


Jude 1:14:And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,


This already happened on Mount Sinai.


Deuteronomy 33:2:And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

In addition -

The Day of The Lord will not come as a thief in the night for Christians!

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.


JLB

 

[jasoncran]

who ever said comparing exodus to the rapture is well missunderstanding the idea of redemption of the hebrew nation. it was done as a sign to the world that God was God and his people were his. its echoed again in ad 70.this time the removal of the jewish state and economy is the oppressor and the christians are redeemed.

 

[JLB]

who ever said comparing exodus to the rapture is well missunderstanding the idea of redemption of the hebrew nation. it was done as a sign to the world that God was God and his people were his. its echoed again in ad 70.this time the removal of the jewish state and economy is the oppressor and the christians are redeemed.

The problem with your statement is:

It just is not true!

this time the removal of the jewish state and economy

1948?

1967?

God's hand is upon Israel, like it or not!

JLB

 

[jasoncran]

no actually i dont, its your poor exegial support for that.

matthew just doesnt agree with you.

Matthew 24

King James Version (KJV)

24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

nor luke

21 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

37 And in the day time he was teaching in the temple; and at night he went out, and abode in the mount that is called the mount of Olives.

38 And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, for to hear him

if you noticed it says that jerusalem falls and isnt delivered. that means it can be used to support your ideas. when you see all of these things must include that the jerusalem falls.

of course most futursists dont teach that the jews will also kill us again if they were to read that there way.

 

[reba]

Lets try using more polite language. I really hate having to 'clean house' ....

 

[jasoncran]

in ad 70 that was the removal of the jewish state.soo you would enter into the temple like paul did in acts and offer a sin sacrifice for your sins?

 

[digging]

I was not saying the Jews were raptured!

I'm just using it as an example, a large group of followers of God being delivered all at once very simular to the teaching of the rapture.

Digging

 

[jasoncran]

dont confuse the rapture with redemption. the redemptive act is the cross and we are redeemed when we believe.

the church was purchased by the Lord in ad 70. it was set free to preach to the lost and when the ressurection comes to put an end to the sin and curse once and for all.we are raised up from death now and its finished when the lord returns. whether we are dead or alive at that point the result is the same.

 

[JLB]

dont confuse the rapture with redemption. the redemptive act is the cross and we are redeemed when we believe.

the church was purchased by the Lord in ad 70. it was set free to preach to the lost and when the ressurection comes to put an end to the sin and curse once and for all.we are raised up from death now and its finished when the lord returns. whether we are dead or alive at that point the result is the same.

he church was purchased by the Lord in ad 70

Total false doctrine!

Jesus Christ purchased us by His blood on the cross, not by the destruction of the temple!

You are mixed up at best!


JLB

 

[nmwings]

I agree there is a great Exodus that needs to happen again this time out of Babylon......

It has been prophesied by at least 7 prophets (including the apostles Paul and John) that a second, even greater exodus WILL occur. And the way things are going right now in current world events, it very well may happen at the Passover in 2013. We wait, we watch, we prepare..................................

 

[nmwings]

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[JLB]

It has been prophesied by at least 7 prophets (including the apostles Paul and John) that a second, even greater exodus WILL occur. And the way things are going right now in current world events, it very well may happen at the Passover in 2013. We wait, we watch, we prepare..................................

It has been prophesied by at least 7 prophets (including the apostles Paul and John) that a second, even greater exodus WILL occur.

Could you share some scriptures with us, from the 7 prophets and Paul and John about this.

Certainly Revelation 12, lends itself to this.


Thanks JLB

 

[nmwings]

Could you share some scriptures with us, from the 7 prophets and Paul and John about this.

Yes! First off, Paul tells the GENTILE believers in Corinth that the events THEIR FATHERS went through during the 1st exodus and wilderness journey were expressly written to the last generation (that would be US) for our instruction. Instruction on not only what we are to do and when, but also that we might learn from their mistakes while on our journey to the Kingdom… i.e. to the Promised Land. He leads up to this in 1 Cor 10:1-10, but it is verse 11 that I want to hone in on: “Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.â€

This is by no means all of the references or instructions, only the tip of the iceberg....

Deut 30:1-8 "Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God drives you, and you return to the Lord your God and obey His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your children, with all your heart and with all your soul, that the Lord your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all thenations where the Lord your God has scattered you. If any of you are driven out to the farthest parts under heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there He will bring you. Then the Lord your God will bring you to the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it. He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live. Also the Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. And you will again obey the voice of the Lord and do all His commandments which I command you today.â€

Isa 11:11-12 “It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea. He will set up a banner for the nations, And will assemble the outcasts of Israel, And gather together the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth.

Jer 16:14-15 and Jer 23:7-8 are identical: "Therefore, behold, the days are coming," says the Lord, "that they shall no longer say, 'As the Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,' but,'As the Lord lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.' And they shall dwell in their own land."

Ezek 20:33-38 "As I live," says the Lord God,"surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, (the Great Tribulation) I will rule over you. I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you,"says the Lord God. "I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.â€

Ezek 34:11:24 'For thus says the Lord God: "Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land; I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the valleys and in all the inhabited places of the country. I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Israel. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down," says the Lord God. I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment." 'And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I shall judge between sheep and sheep, between rams and goats. Is it too little for you to have eaten up the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture--and to have drunk of the clear waters, that you must foul the residue with your feet? And as for My flock, they eat what you have trampledwith your feet, and they drink what you have fouled with your feet." 'Therefore thus says the Lord God to them:"Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, therefore I will save My flock, and theyshall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them--My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.

Ezek 36:24-29 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

Hosea 2:14-15 "Therefore, behold, I will allure her, Will bring her into the wilderness, And speak comfort to her. I will give her her vineyards from there, And the Valley of Achor as a door of hope; She shall sing there, As in the days of her youth, As in the day when she came up from the land of Egypt.â€

Rev 12:6 “Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there onet housand two hundred and sixty days.†(42 months)

This one is referring to those living in Judea who flee into the wilderness the day the image is set up on the Temple Mount. But the theme is the same.
Rev 12:13-17 “But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, (42 months) from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.â€

 

[gr8grace]

We are all believer priests and we all need to come to our own conclusions. But there are some major destinctives between the second coming and the rapture.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. THAT PRINCIPLE IS CONDEMNATION BEFORE INVESTIGATION.

SECOND COMING RAPTURE
Dan 2:44-45 John 14:1-3
Dan 7:9-14 1 cor 15:1-53
Dan 12:1-3 1Thess 4:13-18
Zech 14:1-15 1 Thess 1:10
Matt 13:41 1 Thess 5:9
Matt 24:15-31 Rev 3:10
Matt 26:64 Rev 2:25
Acts 1:9-11 Jude 21
1 Thess 3:13 1Tim 6:14
2 Thess 1:6-10 1Thess 5:23
2Thess 2:8 1Pet1:7,13
2Pet 3:1-14 Phil 3:20-21
Jude 14-15 Titus 2:13
Rev 1:7 Col 3:4
And many more! And many more!

He comes to the earth He comes in the air
He comes with His bride He claims His bride
every eye shall see him Only His own see Him
millenium begins Tribulation begins
earth is judged Earth not judged
He comes with His own He comes for His own
satan bound No reference to satan
affects all men on the earth affects believers only
follows distinct predicted signs imminent, any moment,signless
concludes the day of wrath before the day of wrath
no translation translation of believers

And many more!
Enoch was translated out before the Flood? Rapture?
Phillip was translated away from the Ethiopian?
So this stuff is not foreign in our Bible.
Paul even tells that we can receive a crown for waiting patiently for our Lords appearing.

Its no problem for me if a believer doesnt believe in the rapture, I will explain it to them on the way up!

 

[Shannon H]

To state that the rapture is false teaching based on the fact that there are saints on the Earth during the tribulation period is an error, you are leaving out a lot. I am not going to go into great detail here to try to convince you there will be a rapture, ( I know so many Christians hate that word), so lets say "resurrection" if you will, I am sure there are no valid arguments against the resurrection, such as Paul teaches about in I Corinthians chapter 15, for example, anyway fact is there are many resurrections in Bible prophecy, the event referred to as "the rapture" being one of them, many people will be saved on earth after the rapture takes place, these "saints" will be killed. I offer you this to study for your reading pleasure. http://www.rapturesolution.com/