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The Recorded Atrocities of John Calvin

PERSECUTIONS AT CALVIN'S GENEVA

The minutes book of the Geneva City Council, 1541-1549 (translated by Stefan Zewig, Eramus: The Right to Heresy)

Compiled by Jack Moorman.

The apostle John wrote: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1.

1. During the ravages of the pestilence in 1545 more than twenty men and women were burnt alive for witchcraft.

2. From 1542 to 1546 fifty-eight judgments of death and twenty-six decrees of banishment were passed.

3. During the years of 1558 and 1559 the cases of various punishments for all sorts of offences amounted to four hundred and fourteen.

4. One Burgher smiled while attending baptism: three days in prison.

5. Another, tired out on a hot summer day, went to sleep during a sermon: was sentenced to prison.

6. Some workmen ate pastry at breakfast: three days on bread and water.

7. Two burghers played skittles: prison.

8. Two others diced for a quarter bottle of wine: prison.

9. A blind fiddler played and danced: expelled from the city.

10. Another praised Castellio's translation of the Bible: expelled from Geneva.

11. A girl was caught skating, a widow threw herself on the grave of her husband, a burgher offered his neighbor a pinch of snuff: they were summoned before the Consistory, exhorted and ordered to do penance.

12. Some cheerful fellows at Epiphany stuck a bean into the cake: four and twenty hours on bread and water.

13. A couple of peasants talked about business matters on coming out of church: prison.

14. A man played cards: he was pilloried with the pack around his neck.

15. Another sang riotously in the street; was told 'they could go sing elsewhere,' this meaning he was banished from the city.

16. Two bargees had a brawl: executed.

The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship services was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the streets was reported and the offenders were cited before the Consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the council for severer punishment.
 
Here we go again, yet another accusation against Calvin.

What everyone forgets is that every country had similar laws, similar attitudes to what they regarded as anti Christian behaviour.


Geneva was far better organised in the enforcement of these rules.
Calvin is dead, his teachings are spread across the globe, whether that is liked or not and it has had considerable influence over all our histories.
I would go so far as to say no Calvin then American history would be seriously different.
The pilgrim fathers followed Calvin,

So what is the purpose in this thread?
 
Here we go again, yet another accusation against Calvin.

What everyone forgets is that every country had similar laws, similar attitudes to what they regarded as anti Christian behaviour.


Geneva was far better organised in the enforcement of these rules.
Calvin is dead, his teachings are spread across the globe, whether that is liked or not and it has had considerable influence over all our histories.
I would go so far as to say no Calvin then American history would be seriously different.
The pilgrim fathers followed Calvin,

So what is the purpose in this thread?
The apostle John wrote, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1.

John Calvin was a false prophet, not only was he teaching false doctrine. He was an unmerciful, unjust tyrant, just like the God he believed in. If you believe that John Calvin was a Christian, it is because you don't know what a Christian is.
 
The apostle John wrote, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1.

John Calvin was a false prophet, not only was he teaching false doctrine. He was an unmerciful, unjust tyrant, just like the God he believed in. If you believe that John Calvin was a Christian, it is because you don't know what a Christian is.

So the pilgrim Fathers were not Christian either?
 
Here we go again, yet another accusation against Calvin.

What everyone forgets is that every country had similar laws, similar attitudes to what they regarded as anti Christian behaviour.


Geneva was far better organised in the enforcement of these rules.
Calvin is dead, his teachings are spread across the globe, whether that is liked or not and it has had considerable influence over all our histories.
I would go so far as to say no Calvin then American history would be seriously different.
The pilgrim fathers followed Calvin,

So what is the purpose in this thread?
Can you please provide evidence for your position. At an anniversary of Calvin I read an article and it was clear they city hated him and thought his rule tyranny. This was not said of Luther or Hus or other reformers but of course, Luther never insisted on political power. So let see what evidence you have that this was common.
 
The apostle John wrote, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1.

John Calvin was a false prophet, not only was he teaching false doctrine. He was an unmerciful, unjust tyrant, just like the God he believed in. If you believe that John Calvin was a Christian, it is because you don't know what a Christian is.
I recall reading that Calvin didn’t know if he was among “the elect.”
 
Can you please provide evidence for your position. At an anniversary of Calvin I read an article and it was clear they city hated him and thought his rule tyranny. This was not said of Luther or Hus or other reformers but of course, Luther never insisted on political power. So let see what evidence you have that this was common.
And Puritans in colonial Massachusetts, among the first European settlers in the American colonies, passed laws to keep people from wearing fancy clothes. They did not want common people to be mistaken for wealthier gentlemen.

No matter when they existed, sumptuary laws were designed to keep the social order from changing and to keep certain people from dressing like or entertaining themselves like wealthier or more powerful members of the society.
From encyclopedia.com
This and other sites all say that laws concerning what and how classes of people worn, were common.

Yes some sections of the city hated him, for his strict enforcement of the rules, for his logical expounding of the bible.
 
Yes but he did push it most and much of it can be laid on him .
In general, popular susceptibility to antisemitism developed in the Middle Ages. It was henceforth perpetuated by linguistic usage and religious instruction. In all languages the term "Jew" and its derivatives had assumed a derogatory significance. Religious instruction by the catechism, practically the only form of popular education until a later period, instilled hostility against the "executioners of Christ" into the souls of children. "If it is incumbent upon a good Christian to detest the Jews, then we are all good Christians," Erasmus stated ironically at the beginning of the 16th century.
From encyclopedia.com antisemitism
Showing that this existed prior to Luther.
 
In general, popular susceptibility to antisemitism developed in the Middle Ages. It was henceforth perpetuated by linguistic usage and religious instruction. In all languages the term "Jew" and its derivatives had assumed a derogatory significance. Religious instruction by the catechism, practically the only form of popular education until a later period, instilled hostility against the "executioners of Christ" into the souls of children. "If it is incumbent upon a good Christian to detest the Jews, then we are all good Christians," Erasmus stated ironically at the beginning of the 16th century.
From encyclopedia.com antisemitism
Showing that this existed prior to Luther.
You are missing the point .
I'm well aware but he wrote a book on how evil the Jews were.

I do also spend time on antisemitism and those groups.

My surname it's tied to where my great grandpa lived and fled to eventually Savannah,ga.we call it the krimea .he killed a cossack who killed his uncle during the pogroms of tsarist Russia .

.my point was to force the op to notice no one is immune of inperfection as the Bible itself was laid out by the Catholics and then the extra books removed by Luther .
 
You are missing the point .
I'm well aware but he wrote a book on how evil the Jews were.

I do also spend time on antisemitism and those groups.

My surname it's tied to where my great grandpa lived and fled to eventually Savannah,ga.we call it the krimea .he killed a cossack who killed his uncle during the pogroms of tsarist Russia .

.my point was to force the op to notice no one is immune of inperfection as the Bible itself was laid out by the Catholics and then the extra books removed by Luther .

The post blamed Luther as the cause of antisemitism, my reply showed that he was not the cause of antisemitism.

Also while Luther raised questions over some books of the bible he didn't remove them from the bible, any ore than the roman Catholic Church formed the bible.
 
There are strong views held about Calvin, may I encourage people to read a neutral assessment of him, his life and achievements as found in the encyclopedia Britanica:-
 
And Puritans in colonial Massachusetts, among the first European settlers in the American colonies, passed laws to keep people from wearing fancy clothes. They did not want common people to be mistaken for wealthier gentlemen.

No matter when they existed, sumptuary laws were designed to keep the social order from changing and to keep certain people from dressing like or entertaining themselves like wealthier or more powerful members of the society.
From encyclopedia.com
This and other sites all say that laws concerning what and how classes of people worn, were common.

Yes some sections of the city hated him, for his strict enforcement of the rules, for his logical expounding of the bible.
I’ve read about the Puritan laws and they don’t even come close to what Calvin established and your report here doesn’t say do either. They didn’t jail people for skating not execute them for having different thoughts.
 
There are strong views held about Calvin, may I encourage people to read a neutral assessment of him, his life and achievements as found in the encyclopedia Britanica:-
I’m not convinced omitting his tyranny is unbiased. Would a biography of Hitler minus the concentration camps be “unbiased?”
 
In general, popular susceptibility to antisemitism developed in the Middle Ages. It was henceforth perpetuated by linguistic usage and religious instruction. In all languages the term "Jew" and its derivatives had assumed a derogatory significance. Religious instruction by the catechism, practically the only form of popular education until a later period, instilled hostility against the "executioners of Christ" into the souls of children. "If it is incumbent upon a good Christian to detest the Jews, then we are all good Christians," Erasmus stated ironically at the beginning of the 16th century.
From encyclopedia.com antisemitism
Showing that this existed prior to Luther.
Racial bigotry is all over the world in many cultures. It’s not even limited to Caucasians.
 
There are strong views held about Calvin, may I encourage people to read a neutral assessment of him, his life and achievements as found in the encyclopedia Britanica:-
The encyclopedia does not give a description of the atrocities committed by John Calvin. It just gives an overview of his life.
 
The encyclopedia does not give a description of the atrocities committed by John Calvin. It just gives an overview of his life.
It is interesting that some people think "neutral" means "leave out the evil a person did." It is really supposed to mean just state clearly WHAT the person did without demeaning or praising adjectives.
 
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