The Red Moon Rapture: Biblical Timing of the Rapture

[NJBeliever]

An article on the rapture that differs from the pre-trib, post-trib and pre-wrath models.

http://beginningandend.com/the-red-moon-rapture-the-biblical-timing-of-the-rapture/

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Uh ... no.

 

[John 8:32]

OK, I know that a lot fo folks here disagree with this and that is OK, I don't believe in a rapture. I believe the church is protected on earth in a place of safety for 3-1/2 years...

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

wilderness here is desert

G2048
ἔρημος
erēmos
er'-ay-mos
Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): - desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.

And she goes to her place.

The church goes there for 3-1/2 years and the sign to flee there is the AoD...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Who is in Judea at that time? I think the church is gathered there for the flight. How does it get there? I don't know, but teleportation cannot be ruled out. Now before you think I wear tin foil hats and so on, read this...

Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Act 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Now this was a common occurrence for Elijah, I won't take up bandwidth C&Ping something you can read yourself, but Elijah was translated several times. For God to do this again with the church is not beyond belief.

The point is, Christ nowhere references a "blood" moon when speaking of the AoD and fleeing, neither does John in the book of Revelation.

 

[Ryan]

I posted this elsewhere here.

7 times in the last 2 millennium the red moon has fallen on Passover and Sukkot on back to back years. 162/163 A.D., 795/796 A.D., 842/843 A.D. and 860/861 A.D. Historical records do not note any significant events during those years, but the 8th and 9th centuries were known for rampant Jewish persecution.

1493/1494 - in 1492, Jews in Spain were ordered to convert to Christianity or be expelled under the Edict of Expulsion. If they didn't convert and leave by a certain date, the were executed without trial. As well, they had to leave all their valuables behind. Rumor had it Jews who tried to leave would swallow their gold and diamonds, but brigands would knife them in the stomach looking for treasure.

1949/1950 - 1948 is the year Israel became a nation again.

1967/1968 - Israel's victory in the 6 Day War.

The next time blood moons will appear on Passover and Sukkot on back to back years is 2014/2015. I don't know what that means, but those years could be very significant on God's prophetic calendar.

Genesis 1:14 "Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;"

Luke 21:25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves,"

 

[John 8:32]

I posted this elsewhere here.

7 times in the last 2 millennium the red moon has fallen on Passover and Sukkot on back to back years. 162/163 A.D., 795/796 A.D., 842/843 A.D. and 860/861 A.D. Historical records do not note any significant events during those years, but the 8th and 9th centuries were known for rampant Jewish persecution.

1493/1494 - in 1492, Jews in Spain were ordered to convert to Christianity or be expelled under the Edict of Expulsion. If they didn't convert and leave by a certain date, the were executed without trial. As well, they had to leave all their valuables behind. Rumor had it Jews who tried to leave would swallow their gold and diamonds, but brigands would knife them in the stomach looking for treasure.

1949/1950 - 1948 is the year Israel became a nation again.

1967/1968 - Israel's victory in the 6 Day War.

The next time blood moons will appear on Passover and Sukkot on back to back years is 2014/2015. I don't know what that means, but those years could be very significant on God's prophetic calendar.

Genesis 1:14 "Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years;"

Luke 21:25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves,"

I believe this is the heavenly signs...

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Notice this is directly after the G.T. Now tie in...

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The end of the GT and the beginning of the Day of the Lord. In reality, the Tribulation lasts 2-1/2 years and the Day of the Lord is one year. (Num 14:34 and Ezek 4:6)

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

OK, I know that a lot fo folks here disagree with this and that is OK, I don't believe in a rapture. I believe the church is protected on earth in a place of safety for 3-1/2 years...

Nope, that's Israel, spoken of in Revelation 12 where the national remnant referred to metaphorically as the woman of vv. 1, 2, clothed in the sun, the moon under her feet, and the crown of 12 stars. Your assumption this is untrue doesn't hold up to biblical scrutiny. Obviously Christ came out of Israel, not the church, so the woman cannot be the church. She must be Israel. There is no other explanation. Paul makes quite clear in numerous NT passages that the church will be removed to no longer hinder the antichrist from being revealed, being as individual members of the church body are, the temple of God on Earth (the Holy Spirit) at this time.

I know this won't be accepted by you, so I'll let you go on with your thread. Just wanted to set the record straight. God bless.

 

[John 8:32]

Nope, that's Israel, spoken of in Revelation 12 where the national remnant referred to metaphorically as the woman of vv. 1, 2, clothed in the sun, the moon under her feet, and the crown of 12 stars. Your assumption this is untrue doesn't hold up to biblical scrutiny. Obviously Christ came out of Israel, not the church, so the woman cannot be the church. She must be Israel. There is no other explanation. Paul makes quite clear in numerous NT passages that the church will be removed to no longer hinder the antichrist from being revealed, being as individual members of the church body are, the temple of God on Earth (the Holy Spirit) at this time.

I know this won't be accepted by you, so I'll let you go on with your thread. Just wanted to set the record straight. God bless.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So part of Israel is protected and part of it isn't? And the part that isn't has the testimony of Christ? I think the church has the testimony of Christ.

There are actually two different occurrences named here...

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

1260 years, a day for a year. The church hiding out during the time of persecution and the inquisition. Then, after the war in heaven...

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Time, times and half a time - 3-1/2 years or 42 months.

This woman is taken to a place of safety in the desert. Israel (Judah) could care less about the man child and the Devil need not bother himself with the nation of Israel today. Do you really see Israel keeping the commandments? The Israelis, as a nation, are about as profane as a people can get. The subject of the entire chapter is the woman. Notice that in Rev 17, there is another woman mentioned here, a whore. She is the type of a great false religion. A woman is used to picture the church. In chapter 19 the church is pictured as a woman marrying Christ. It makes no sense here to say that Christ is working with Israel in New Testament times. Now, if we go back and read Paul's writings, are you going to say that they were directed at the physical nation of Israel? Is that what the New Testament is about?

 

[tim-from-pa]

Wow! Just a comment, but no dogma on my part. I noticed all sorts of theories about the end times, raptures, tribulations, etc etc come out of the woodwork in recent years. There must be something big going to happen soon since the interest has taken off exponentially. However, just as there is a lot of interest, some Christian denominations and sects are equally oblivious to end time things. The split is growing wider IMO.

I'm going to watch this thread closely. I'll even bookmark it. The reason? every time I hear things about the heavens, the sun, and moon, and timing and calendars, I take an interest being a Gnomonist and into astronomy and anything dealing with time and calendars.

IMO (only), I do believe the woman in Revelation 12 is suggestive of an astronomical position when Yahshua was born. Turns out it was at the feast of Trumpets when this is calculated. It has end time application of course, but one interpretation of the manchild is Christ, so that indicates when he was born, and from that (as well as both biblical and extra-biblical mathematics) one can ascertain when he was born and died.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Nope, that's Israel, spoken of in Revelation 12 where the national remnant referred to metaphorically as the woman of vv. 1, 2, clothed in the sun, the moon under her feet, and the crown of 12 stars. Your assumption this is untrue doesn't hold up to biblical scrutiny. Obviously Christ came out of Israel, not the church, so the woman cannot be the church. She must be Israel. There is no other explanation. Paul makes quite clear in numerous NT passages that the church will be removed to no longer hinder the antichrist from being revealed, being as individual members of the church body are, the temple of God on Earth (the Holy Spirit) at this time.

I know this won't be accepted by you, so I'll let you go on with your thread. Just wanted to set the record straight. God bless.

John can answer for himself, but I just want to throw in something here. Technically, you are correct, however.... I think he sees the woman as the new Israel, the church. While Christ did come from Israel, those who now carry the testimony of Christ is now the church and became the woman instead.

I'm from a mainline evangelical congregational background, and John is from Church of God. However, my studies have directed me in that direction, even though at this point I am not officially affiliated with them (nor any church for that matter, but just private fellowship). I was to one of their conferences in the Poconos on the Sabbath, and that's how Mr. McNair explained it to my understanding. I could not find fault with his explanation.

Actually, the evangelicals and CoG folks are closer than we all care to admit, but the evangelicals still hang onto traditions, worship the wrong day, and pagan holidays and whatnot but mixed with eschatological truth. It's the latter that I adhere to and try to dump the tradition stuff.

Correct me if I'm wrong, John, but that's how I see it, hoping you don't mind that I spilled the beans here, but you should be proud of your beliefs. I'm glad I ran into you, that's for sure.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

John can answer for himself, but I just want to throw in something here. Technically, you are correct, however.... I think he sees the woman as the new Israel, the church.

There is no "new Israel," and the church has certainly not "inherited" the promises made to Israel. Those will be fulfilled in the Thousand Year Reign you reject. You cannot find in the Bible anything to support the contention that the church has replaced Israel. The Abrahamic Covenant will be fulfilled to Israel, the faithful. Not the church. While Christ did come from Israel, those who now carry the testimony of Christ is now the church and became the woman instead.

I'm from a mainline evangelical congregational background, and John is from Church of God. However, my studies have directed me in that direction, even though at this point I am not officially affiliated with them (nor any church for that matter, but just private fellowship). I was to one of their conferences in the Poconos on the Sabbath, and that's how Mr. McNair explained it to my understanding. I could not find fault with his explanation.

I fear that is because you haven't truly studied to the extent you could fault it, not because there is no fault to find with it, because the teaching is incorrect.

 

[tim-from-pa]

There is no "new Israel," and the church has certainly not "inherited" the promises made to Israel. Those will be fulfilled in the Thousand Year Reign you reject. You cannot find in the Bible anything to support the contention that the church has replaced Israel. The Abrahamic Covenant will be fulfilled to Israel, the faithful. Not the church. While Christ did come from Israel, those who now carry the testimony of Christ is now the church and became the woman instead.

Poor choice of words on my part. Sorry. I meant the spiritual Israel, the Israel of God, not the Israel of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (fleshy)

You are correct in that the promises go to Israel, and not the church. Both of us have this same belief which is the foundation of the lost tribes of Israel teaching, and the many nations they became according to the Abrahamic, covenant, later passed to Isaac, Jacob, then to Joseph. Some promises went to Judah, those of the royal seed, which is why Yahshua had to come from the tribe of Judah. But this is all genealogical promises in the flesh.

For the record, I am against "replacement theology" and am not a persistent spiritualizer. On the contrary, I often see the physical manifestations of the covenant first. Then later came the spiritual seed of Abraham, and far more to come yet. The church are just the firstfruits of a more massive salvation in the next age.

 

[vocalyocal]

I get to end of reading all the post, and I forgot what the thread was about, biblically speaking yes from all prophetic scriptures the moon must turn blood red before Christ gathers His church, thus the rapture or the gathering up of believers can not with biblical accuracy happen until the falling away and the antichrist is revealed (2 Thess. 2:3-4) and the signs in heaven occur (Mathew 24:29-31)