The Redemption of the body-Rom8:23

[Lehigh3]

Do we receive a spiritual body postAD70 when we die & go to heaven- or do we still wait "naked" & unclothed till the "end times" or "last day" according to some futurists pov?
The REDEEMED body is the SPIRITUAL BODY. It is redeemed in the sense that it was “lost†with the transgression of Adam. After Adam, man was “naked†in the afterlife and without the spiritual body. This spiritual body, and not the corruptible body, is the one that is redeemed. Since I equate “white robes†in Revelation with the spiritual body, this redemption is reflected in the following verse:

Rev. 3: KJV, I counsel thee to BUY OF ME … white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear…

(apolutrosis = a releasing effected BY PAYMENT of ransom; liberation procured by the payment of a ransom)

The only payment, though, is the blood of Christ, also associated with the “white robes,â€

Rev. 7:14 these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.


Redemption carries with it the concept that something that was previously lost is now owned again, typically through payment. The Immortal Body was lost with the transgression of Adam. The Immortal Body was redeemed at the Parousia. All Christians now inherit the immortal body after shedding the mortal, unlike in Paul's time when they remained "naked" in the afterlife (2 Cor 5:3). It doesn't matter that it is qualitatively "new.," only that the right to its inheritance was lost to those after Adam, and regained through the second Adam.


Rev. 3:18 I counsel thee to BUY OF ME …and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear…[emph. mine]

Rev. 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. [emph. mine]

The spiritual "body" was the corporate body from all creation. And in heaven post-AD70, Hades was emptied & the dead receive their inheritance of a spiritual body in heaven.
Before, sin was only atoned for each year in the Holy of Holies by priests. But our high Priest entered heaven itself for us. But Hebrews says that while the temple made with hands was still standing (the temple in Jerusalem) man could not be in the presence of God due to sin.
But now "all Israel" was brought to heaven bc of the New Covenant in Christ.

So the redeemed body went to their heavenly abode. This is our inheritance when we die & put off our "tent." (physical body)

 

[sdktlk]

“[FONT=Georgia, serif]For the earnest expectation of the creation is fully expecting the revealing of the sons(s) of God. For the creation was subordinated to inserviceability, not voluntarily, but contrariwise, by reason of having been subordinated over anticipation. Because that the creation itself will be made free from the bondage of decay, to the freedom, the glory of the child(ren) of God. For we see that all creation experiences a common calamity and travails in pain together until now. And not only so, but also ourselves possessing the firstfruit of the Spirit, we ourselves, within ourselves groan (are in straits) fully expecting sonship, the redemption/deliverance of the body of us.†(Rom 8:19-23)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]The Lord Jesus said, “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws nigh.†(Luk 21:28)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]The redemption, the deliverance spoken of in these passages are not, “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]at the last trump[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.†(1Cor 15:52)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]The redemption referred to in Romans and Luke are pointing to a corporate “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]body of us[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]†that will live and reign in Christ during the Kingdom age. In Romans it also speaks of the creation being “made free from the bondage of decay.†[/FONT]The eternal incorruptible change takes place at the end of the Kingdom age.

 

[Lehigh3]

“[FONT=Georgia, serif]For the earnest expectation of the creation is fully expecting the revealing of the sons(s) of God. For the creation was subordinated to inserviceability, not voluntarily, but contrariwise, by reason of having been subordinated over anticipation. Because that the creation itself will be made free from the bondage of decay, to the freedom, the glory of the child(ren) of God. For we see that all creation experiences a common calamity and travails in pain together until now. And not only so, but also ourselves possessing the firstfruit of the Spirit, we ourselves, within ourselves groan (are in straits) fully expecting sonship, the redemption/deliverance of the body of us.†(Rom 8:19-23)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]The Lord Jesus said, “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws nigh.†(Luk 21:28)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]The redemption, the deliverance spoken of in these passages are not, “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]at the last trump[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.†(1Cor 15:52)[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]The redemption referred to in Romans and Luke are pointing to a corporate “[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]body of us[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]†that will live and reign in Christ during the Kingdom age. In Romans it also speaks of the creation being “made free from the bondage of decay.†[/FONT]The eternal incorruptible change takes place at the end of the Kingdom age.

Oh I disagree. Luke 21:28 Jesus spoke to the believers (1st Christians- audience relevance here) "when you see" is not us of course (literally)
But the corporate spiritual body received the "change" Paul was speaking of when they fled the city & waited outside the city during the great tribulation on Israel after the flesh.
However, "the dead" was the resurrection of the dead that Paul referred to. The living received the redemption in a spiritual sense, while on earth alive. And since that time forward, such is true for the living on earth.

Where in scripture do you read "kingdom age?" The thousand years is a reflection of the upon who the "ends of the ages have come." It was approx. AD26-66. Satan was bound by Christ at the cross,(the strongman bound) so the nations could receive the gospel.

The "kingdom of Christ" was that 40 yr. period. We are in "the kingdom of God NOW bc Christ handed up that old Covenant kingdom to the Father & is co-ruler in heaven.
John the apostle even tells us when Christ's kingdom (as that Mediator ) was:

Rev.1:9 KJV,
9I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So, I that is proof that there was a "kingdom of God" about to come (as Christ & John the baptist proclaimed) And a mediating interim kingdom of Christ of which the apostles ON EARTH were charged with the mission of bringing the gospel to the nations in the "millennium" & sat figuratively as judges on thrones (as in the literal OT judges of Israel) but Christ was the "spiritual Man" & not the natural.

If the spiritual came after the natural, then how would you justify going back to the natural (material) earth after the spiritual "regeneration?"

There is no kingdom age in scripture. God remarried Israel in a new way & not in a material way. Nor us gentiles either. We didn't receive adoption bc of the world in Adam- but the spiritual, in Christ.

 

[Alabaster]

Oh I disagree. Luke 21:28 Jesus spoke to the believers (1st Christians- audience relevance here) "when you see" is not us of course (literally)
But the corporate spiritual body received the "change" Paul was speaking of when they fled the city & waited outside the city during the great tribulation on Israel after the flesh.
However, "the dead" was the resurrection of the dead that Paul referred to. The living received the redemption in a spiritual sense, while on earth alive. And since that time forward, such is true for the living on earth.

Where in scripture do you read "kingdom age?" The thousand years is a reflection of the upon who the "ends of the ages have come." It was approx. AD26-66. Satan was bound by Christ at the cross,(the strongman bound) so the nations could receive the gospel.

The "kingdom of Christ" was that 40 yr. period. We are in "the kingdom of God NOW bc Christ handed up that old Covenant kingdom to the Father & is co-ruler in heaven.
John the apostle even tells us when Christ's kingdom (as that Mediator ) was:

Rev.1:9 KJV,
9I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So, I that is proof that there was a "kingdom of God" about to come (as Christ & John the baptist proclaimed) And a mediating interim kingdom of Christ of which the apostles ON EARTH were charged with the mission of bringing the gospel to the nations in the "millennium" & sat figuratively as judges on thrones (as in the literal OT judges of Israel) but Christ was the "spiritual Man" & not the natural.

If the spiritual came after the natural, then how would you justify going back to the natural (material) earth after the spiritual "regeneration?"

There is no kingdom age in scripture. God remarried Israel in a new way & not in a material way. Nor us gentiles either. We didn't receive adoption bc of the world in Adam- but the spiritual, in Christ.

Prayerful and CAREFUL study of scripture is imperative.

I think your interpretations on a number of things touched on in this post quoted here is rife with misinterpretation. You don't seem to know what to take literally and what to take as metaphorical. It is nigh unto impossible to have a congruent discussion unless we go point by point, for your first thought is a misconception, and continues all the way down the line.

You are obviously a preterist, and that doesn't jibe with scripture, either. So, you've got a debate on your hands.

So, regarding your title reference, Romans 8:21-23 NLT
But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay. 22 For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us.


Can't wait!

 

[Lehigh3]

Prayerful and CAREFUL study of scripture is imperative.

I think your interpretations on a number of things touched on in this post quoted here is rife with misinterpretation. You don't seem to know what to take literally and what to take as metaphorical. It is nigh unto impossible to have a congruent discussion unless we go point by point, for your first thought is a misconception, and continues all the way down the line.

You are obviously a preterist, and that doesn't jibe with scripture, either. So, you've got a debate on your hands.

So, regarding your title reference, Romans 8:21-23 NLT
But with eager hope, 21 the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay. 22 For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children, including the new bodies he has promised us.


Can't wait!

That's too bad. Really, very sad. The literalists can't wait to die!

Wow, talk about giving up in this world & our loved ones.

Why not eat & drink bc tomorrow you die? I mean be careful what you wish for.

My entire initial family died prematurely. I'm hoping God will grant me a long life & show me His salvation on earth, first.

Remember, Paul said it doesn't come to life unless it dies- & unfortunately your belief is literal for his passage there!

 

[Alabaster]

That's too bad. Really, very sad. The literalists can't wait to die!

Wow, talk about giving up in this world & our loved ones.

Why not eat & drink bc tomorrow you die? I mean be careful what you wish for.

Now you are being literally literal...and goofy. I look forward to glory like a kid looks for Christmas. If Paul had an eager hope, then so can I. Nothing means more to me than Jesus..there is nothing this world can offer that is worth more than being with Him...even our families.

Matthew 10:37 NLT
“If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine.

My entire initial family died prematurely. I'm hoping God will grant me a long life & show me His salvation on earth, first.

My condolences on the loss of your loved ones.

Long life is promised to us, praise God! I trust you already have salvation.

Remember, Paul said it doesn't come to life unless it dies- & unfortunately your belief is literal for his passage there!

It would be great to be considered among those who are caught up at the Rapture!

 

[warhorse]

Do we receive a spiritual body postAD70 when we die & go to heaven- or do we still wait "naked" & unclothed till the "end times" or "last day" according to some futurists pov?
The REDEEMED body is the SPIRITUAL BODY. It is redeemed in the sense that it was “lost†with the transgression of Adam. After Adam, man was “naked†in the afterlife and without the spiritual body. This spiritual body, and not the corruptible body, is the one that is redeemed. Since I equate “white robes†in Revelation with the spiritual body, this redemption is reflected in the following verse:

Rev. 3: KJV, I counsel thee to BUY OF ME … white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear…

(apolutrosis = a releasing effected BY PAYMENT of ransom; liberation procured by the payment of a ransom)

The only payment, though, is the blood of Christ, also associated with the “white robes,â€

Rev. 7:14 these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.


Redemption carries with it the concept that something that was previously lost is now owned again, typically through payment. The Immortal Body was lost with the transgression of Adam. The Immortal Body was redeemed at the Parousia. All Christians now inherit the immortal body after shedding the mortal, unlike in Paul's time when they remained "naked" in the afterlife (2 Cor 5:3). It doesn't matter that it is qualitatively "new.," only that the right to its inheritance was lost to those after Adam, and regained through the second Adam.


Rev. 3:18 I counsel thee to BUY OF ME …and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear…[emph. mine]

Rev. 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. [emph. mine]

The spiritual "body" was the corporate body from all creation. And in heaven post-AD70, Hades was emptied & the dead receive their inheritance of a spiritual body in heaven.
Before, sin was only atoned for each year in the Holy of Holies by priests. But our high Priest entered heaven itself for us. But Hebrews says that while the temple made with hands was still standing (the temple in Jerusalem) man could not be in the presence of God due to sin.
But now "all Israel" was brought to heaven bc of the New Covenant in Christ.

So the redeemed body went to their heavenly abode. This is our inheritance when we die & put off our "tent." (physical body)

No sir, the spiritual body has not yet risen, it is the (old man) The flesh that you battle with after salvation. We have not yet been perfected. The Holy spirit is given at salvation, it works too mature the mind, to reign in, and control the lusts of the flesh and seals us until the day of redemption.

 

[Alabaster]

No sir, the spiritual body has not yet risen, it is the (old man) The flesh that you battle with after salvation. We have not yet been perfected. The Holy spirit is given at salvation, it works too mature the mind, to reign in, and control the lusts of the flesh and seals us until the day of redemption.

Amen!

 

[Lehigh3]

Now you are being literally literal...and goofy. I look forward to glory like a kid looks for Christmas. If Paul had an eager hope, then so can I. Nothing means more to me than Jesus..there is nothing this world can offer that is worth more than being with Him...even our families.

Matthew 10:37 NLT
“If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine.

My condolences on the loss of your loved ones.

Long life is promised to us, praise God! I trust you already have salvation.

It would be great to be considered among those who are caught up at the Rapture!

Well, Jesus brought our dead loved ones with Him. In modern times, ppl don't seem to understand Paul's analogies- but I bet most of his audience did then 2k years ago.

That "glory" is God's glory on earth too. Remember, not all flesh is the same...the glory of.... ok, well, we are His glory on earth. But you will not be "glorified" yourself until you die & receive your spiritual body in heaven.
Your worshipping Him in Spirit & Truth is what he desires. You can go literally to a mountain or to Jerusalem (meaning the then temple) but church is not the only means of worship. It's good for families to continue the Christian faith. But for some it is possible to worship in spirit & truth otherwise.

Nice thought about me "already having salvation" but the wise know that salvation is ongoing throughout life. I am "saved" in a temporal sense when say, the rest of an evil crowd drowns & I survive. I may have had faith that the Lord would save me- but if I was lost at sea & it was a long time till I was rescued- that is when someone HOPES they have salvation!

So, it's not over until it's over. My family is in their glorified bodies pulling for me down here.

So when I physically die, I will also be glorified in heaven. I won't wait as a disembodied spirit in Hades bc Christ opened heaven for us when He arouse to heaven & made all His enemies his footstool. The Holy of Holies was opened for us- the 3rd heaven.

 

[Alabaster]

Well, Jesus brought our dead loved ones with Him. In modern times, ppl don't seem to understand Paul's analogies- but I bet most of his audience did then 2k years ago.

When? I didn't see them---or Him!

That "glory" is God's glory on earth too. Remember, not all flesh is the same...the glory of.... ok, well, we are His glory on earth. But you will not be "glorified" yourself until you die & receive your spiritual body in heaven.

With my loved ones, right? All this coming and going is making me dizzy.

Actually, no that is false. I receive my incorruptible body with EVERYONE ELSE---at the Rapture of the saints. The dead in Christ first, and the alive in Christ immediately following.

If I died now, my spirit will move on to heaven, to be united with a new glorified flesh body when I come with Jesus to collect the saints.

Nice thought about me "already having salvation" but the wise know that salvation is ongoing throughout life. I am "saved" in a temporal sense when say, the rest of an evil crowd drowns & I survive. I may have had faith that the Lord would save me- but if I was lost at sea & it was a long time till I was rescued- that is when someone HOPES they have salvation!

Once we receive Jesus by faith, repenting of sin, we are saved. This is wisdom. Our hope is sure.

So, it's not over until it's over. My family is in their glorified bodies pulling for me down here.

No one has their glorified bodies but Jesus, Enoch and Elijah at this moment in time.

So when I physically die, I will also be glorified in heaven. I won't wait as a disembodied spirit in Hades bc Christ opened heaven for us when He arouse to heaven & made all His enemies his footstool. The Holy of Holies was opened for us- the 3rd heaven.

You are correct about Hades. No one is in Hades except the wicked dead. The dead in Christ are certainly glorified in the sense that they are spirits, but their glorified bodies will be given them at the Rapture. Otherwise, why do the dead rise from their graves?

 

[warhorse]

When? I didn't see them---or Him!



With my loved ones, right? All this coming and going is making me dizzy.

Actually, no that is false. I receive my incorruptible body with EVERYONE ELSE---at the Rapture of the saints. The dead in Christ first, and the alive in Christ immediately following.

If I died now, my spirit will move on to heaven, to be united with a new glorified flesh body when I come with Jesus to collect the saints.



Once we receive Jesus by faith, repenting of sin, we are saved. This is wisdom. Our hope is sure.



No one has their glorified bodies but Jesus, Enoch and Elijah at this moment in time.



You are correct about Hades. No one is in Hades except the wicked dead. The dead in Christ are certainly glorified in the sense that they are spirits, but their glorified bodies will be given them at the Rapture. Otherwise, why do the dead rise from their graves?

Agreed, except for the no one has there glorified bodies but jesus, Enoch, and Elijah, i believe the OT saints were rasied in there Glorified bodies with Christ per Mathew 27v51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the SAINTS which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[Hitch]

No sir, the spiritual body has not yet risen, it is the (old man) The flesh that you battle with after salvation. We have not yet been perfected. The Holy spirit is given at salvation, it works too mature the mind, to reign in, and control the lusts of the flesh and seals us until the day of redemption.

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

 

[Lehigh3]

When? I didn't see them---or Him!



With my loved ones, right? All this coming and going is making me dizzy.

Actually, no that is false. I receive my incorruptible body with EVERYONE ELSE---at the Rapture of the saints. The dead in Christ first, and the alive in Christ immediately following.

If I died now, my spirit will move on to heaven, to be united with a new glorified flesh body when I come with Jesus to collect the saints.



Once we receive Jesus by faith, repenting of sin, we are saved. This is wisdom. Our hope is sure.



No one has their glorified bodies but Jesus, Enoch and Elijah at this moment in time.



You are correct about Hades. No one is in Hades except the wicked dead. The dead in Christ are certainly glorified in the sense that they are spirits, but their glorified bodies will be given them at the Rapture. Otherwise, why do the dead rise from their graves?

OK, you're not listening to Biblical proof. Jesus went into the Holy of Holies (heaven itself) for us. We can now go into the presence of God in heaven especially bc the way to the HOLIEST of all was made manifest at His Parousia. Hebrews says heaven wasn't made manifest yet for them (in AD65) bc:

Limitations of the Earthly Service


6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.[Heb.6-10 NKJV]

Let me know when you are beginning to understand. In fact perhaps read more of Hebrews, bc I am preparing my notes for "the eighth day" of "God's rest" from Hebrews. But, do you understand that the temple in Jerusalem (Rev.11) is what was still standing in that passage?

 

[Alabaster]

Agreed, except for the no one has there glorified bodies but jesus, Enoch, and Elijah, i believe the OT saints were rasied in there Glorified bodies with Christ per Mathew 27v51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the SAINTS which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

That event only concerned about 500, if I am not mistaken. They were raised, but never glorified. It is a scriptural anomaly--but wonderful, nonetheless. However, it is worth thinking on, so thanks!

The OT saints were released from Hades and given entrance to heaven when Christ set them free when He visited them in their 'paradise'. Ephesians 4:8 says it for me.

 

[Alabaster]

OK, you're not listening to Biblical proof. Jesus went into the Holy of Holies (heaven itself) for us.

Yep I know.

We can now go into the presence of God in heaven especially bc the way to the HOLIEST of all was made manifest at His Parousia.

Yep, I know.

Hebrews says heaven wasn't made manifest yet for them (in AD65) bc:

Limitations of the Earthly Service


6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people’s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience— 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.[Heb.6-10 NKJV]

Let me know when you are beginning to understand. In fact perhaps read more of Hebrews, bc I am preparing my notes for "the eighth day" of "God's rest" from Hebrews. But, do you understand that the temple in Jerusalem (Rev.11) is what was still standing in that passage?

LOL! Eighth day?

You aren't getting it.

 

[Lehigh3]

He destroyed Hades & death (spiritual death) at the end of the Jewish age. (Mt.24)

The resurrection of the dead (Rev.20:11-15) was the righteous entering heaven in their glorified state. The Holy of Holies was made manifest & they too received their uncorrupted bodies in heaven.

This was truly when "the power of the holy people[old Israel-old Jerusalem] was finally shattered." [Dan.12]

 

[warhorse]

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Yes the holy spirit has quickened our spirits but waits for the quickening of our bodies.

Rom 8v10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Luke 21v4 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Hitch]

Yes the holy spirit has quickened our spirits but waits for the quickening of our bodies.

Rom 8v10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Luke 21v4 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Yup .

 

[Lehigh3]

Yes, see, I knew you would agree soon, warhorse.

Christians are not to be found "naked" or disembodied in the afterlife bc they are clothed with their spiritual body as soon as we go to heaven. This wasn't so until Christ told the churches that - at the end of the age.

Rev.3:17-18 NKJV
17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

If Adam hadn't sinned, when he died he would have gone into God's presence like an angel. Instead, spiritual death came & man could not be in the presence of God bc of sin (spiritual death) Man was sequestered in Sheol & could not enter heaven in God's presence.
But bc of Christ who returned supernaturally at the end of the age (AD70) the dead were raised & at that time were perfected by Christ's sacrifice. Their spirits entered heaven & God gave them their spiritual bodies.

Jesus' supernatural return is called His Parousia. And all believers are now found "clothed" with their glorious bodies in heaven.

Thank God. Imagine Paul & John the Baptist waiting in Hades as decapitated spirits after 2,000 yrs & more!? I'm sure they didn't give their lives for that!

Praise God, Thank you Jesus!

 

[Alabaster]

NO ONE has a spiritual or glorified body yet. The dead are buried, while their spirits are with God.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44; 49-55 NLT
42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

49 Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man. 50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever. 51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52 It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53 For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.
54 Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”