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The Right Hand Of God

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To sit at the right hand does not mean to sit at the right hand. It means God's Divine Omnipotence through the Human that He assumed in the world. By means of this He is in things last as well as in things first; by means of this He entered and overthrew and subjugated the hells; by means of this He restored order in the heavens; and by means of this He redeemed both men and angels, and will continue to redeem for ever. If you consult the Word, and are capable of enlightenment, you will perceive that 'right hand' means here omnipotence, as it does in Isaiah:
My hand hath founded the earth, and My right hand hath spanned the heavens Isaiah 47:13.
Jehovah hath sworn by His right hand and by the arm of His strength Isaiah 62:8.
Thy right hand doth hold Me up Ps 18:35.

Harry
 
Spiritual Son: I'm not sure what you are getting at, but yes, I understand from the Greek (using a Greek-English interlinear translation) that the word "hand" is added to the word for "right" (Gk.dexia) in almost every occurence in the NT because it fits the context.

So, Christ, then, is literally sitting "in the rights" or "out of the rights" of God, which, as you pointed out, is God's Divine Omtipotence.

Yes indeed, Christ Jesus the Lord is called the alpha and omega, the first and last in Rev.1:11, 17; 2:8; and 22:13. Is this saying he was first before God the Father? Of course not! He is the initiator and completor of our our faith, of our salvation, and not only ours but the whole world.

Your words "..He entered and overthrew and subjugated the hells.." don't make sense. There are no such things as "hells".

While God is certainly supreme, there is yet to be restored "order in the heavens". Satan still has access to God's presence. He and his angels are not cast down to earth until the middle of Daniel's 70th week (Rev.12), which is still future IMO. Also Eph.3:10 & 11 tells us that the Church/Body of Christ being vivified with bodies fit for the heavenlies, will witness to the principalities and powers among the heavenlies the awesome wisdom of God. And Eph.6:12 tells of spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenlies.

So, when will all enemies of Christ and God be subjugated? And will there some day be peace in the whole universe? You bet!

In Col.1:13-20 Paul tells us "..that the Son of His love, in whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins, Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature, for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordhips, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all things to him
(making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens." CV

That is a lot to read. Briefly, it is saying that someday all will be reconciled making peace.

And Paul writes in 1 Cor.15:24-28 that "...whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignity and all authority and power. ...He must be reigning until He must be reigning until He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy being abolished is death." CV.

This occurs at the consummation of the ages. God has a plan, a purpose for the ages whereby Christ Jesus will be preemminent, and every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that "Jesus is Lord" for the glory of God the Father (See Phil.2:9-11).

God bless, Bick
 
Bick said:
Spiritual Son: I'm not sure what you are getting at, but yes, I understand from the Greek (using a Greek-English interlinear translation) that the word "hand" is added to the word for "right" (Gk.dexia) in almost every occurence in the NT because it fits the context.

So, Christ, then, is literally sitting "in the rights" or "out of the rights" of God, which, as you pointed out, is God's Divine Omtipotence.

Yes indeed, Christ Jesus the Lord is called the alpha and omega, the first and last in Revelation 1:11-17; Revelation 2:8; and Revelation 22:13. Is this saying he was first before God the Father? Of course not! He is the initiator and completor of our our faith, of our salvation, and not only ours but the whole world.


From Harry
The words," Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last in Revelation 1:11, 17; Revelation 2:8; and Revelation 22:13 were not said by two persons. There were said by the same God. The first was said in Isaiah: Thus saith Jehovah the King of Israel, and his Redeemer Jehovah of Armies, I am the First and the Last, Isaiah 44:6; Isaiah 48:12. In Revelation 1:11-17 and in Revelation 22:13 were said by the same God, but as a Man. In John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This means Jesus Christ is the God of both Testaments. In Isaiah 9:6 is saids He is everlasting Father.


Your words "..He entered and overthrew and subjugated the hells.." don't make sense. There are no such things as "hells".

Hell is divided into two, front and the back. The front are the satans and the back are the devils. There no such thing as one devil and satan. One devil can not tempt billions of souls,and one satan cannot put false ideas into . Man by his own evil acts and false ideas about God becomes a devil and satan. If a man's evil acts are more than his false ideas, he becomes more of a devil. Man enters heaven or hell to the degree that heaven or hell enter him. A person with lesser evil than another does not the hell with the ones with the greater evil. Heaven itself is divided into two.

While God is certainly supreme, there is yet to be restored "order in the heavens". Satan still has access to God's presence. He and his angels are not cast down to earth until the middle of Daniel's 70th week (Rev.12), which is still future IMO. Also Eph.3:10 & 11 tells us that the Church/Body of Christ being vivified with bodies fit for the heavenlies, will witness to the principalities and powers among the heavenlies the awesome wisdom of God. And Eph.6:12 tells of spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenlies.

So, when will all enemies of Christ and God be subjugated? And will there some day be peace in the whole universe? You bet!

In Col.1:13-20 Paul tells us "..that the Son of His love, in whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins, Who is the Image of the invisible God, Firstborn of every creature, for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordhips, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all things to him
(making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens." CV

That is a lot to read. Briefly, it is saying that someday all will be reconciled making peace.

And Paul writes in 1 Cor.15:24-28 that "...whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignity and all authority and power. ...He must be reigning until He must be reigning until He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy being abolished is death." CV.

This occurs at the consummation of the ages. God has a plan, a purpose for the ages whereby Christ Jesus will be preemminent, and every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that "Jesus is Lord" for the glory of God the Father (See Phil.2:9-11).

God bless, Bick
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Quoting Harry:

The words," Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last in Revelation 1:11, 17; Revelation 2:8; and Revelation 22:13 were not said by two persons. There were said by the same God. The first was said in Isaiah: Thus saith Jehovah the King of Israel, and his Redeemer Jehovah of Armies, I am the First and the Last, Isaiah 44:6; Isaiah 48:12. In Revelation 1:11-17 and in Revelation 22:13 were said by the same God, but as a Man. In John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This means Jesus Christ is the God of both Testaments. In Isaiah 9:6 is saids He is everlasting Father.

From your translation of Isaiah, Jehovah is two persons: the king of Israel, and his Redeemer Johovah of Armies.

The NIV reads "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and the last; apart from me there is no God."

And who will redeem Israel but Jehovah's annointed one, the Messiah (Heb)
or Christos (Greek).

Let's quote John 1 from a literal translation, the Concordant Literal New Testament: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the Word. This was in the beginning toward God. All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being. In it was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is appearing in the darkness, and the darkness grasped it not." And verse 14: "And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father , full of grace and truth."

As far back as you want to go there was the Word, the expression of God, through Whom He created all things.

And Paul tells us in 1 Cor.4:4: "...Christ, Who is the Image of the Invisible God.." and in Col.1:15: "...`the Son of His love, in Whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins, Who is the Image of the invisible God.."

If you could see Jehovah God, you would see the Son of His love, Christ Jesus the Lord.

To me "Jesus" is His human name given to Him at His birth in Bethlehem.
His full title is Christ Jesus the Lord.

Oh yes, the name "Joshua or yeshua" was an ancient name in Israel's history, and meant "Jah saves" or "Jehovah saves". And "Jesus" is the Latinized form of "Iesous" Gk, meaning "Saviour".

Before the Word became flesh, I believe He was with the Father, as he said a number of times in the Gospels. IMO all the occurences of God or the Lord appearing or speaking or whatever, was the Word, the Son of God.


All for now. Will take up the second quote later. God bless, Arnold
 
Bick said:
Quoting Harry:

The words," Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last in Revelation 1:11, 17; Revelation 2:8; and Revelation 22:13 were not said by two persons. There were said by the same God. The first was said in Isaiah: Thus saith Jehovah the King of Israel, and his Redeemer Jehovah of Armies, I am the First and the Last, Isaiah 44:6; Isaiah 48:12. In Revelation 1:11-17 and in Revelation 22:13 were said by the same God, but as a Man. In John 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This means Jesus Christ is the God of both Testaments. In Isaiah 9:6 is saids He is everlasting Father.

From your translation of Isaiah, Jehovah is two persons: the king of Israel, and his Redeemer Johovah of Armies.

The NIV reads "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and the last; apart from me there is no God."

And who will redeem Israel but Jehovah's annointed one, the Messiah (Heb)
or Christos (Greek).

Let's quote John 1 from a literal translation, the Concordant Literal New Testament: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the Word. This was in the beginning toward God. All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being. In it was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is appearing in the darkness, and the darkness grasped it not." And verse 14: "And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father , full of grace and truth."


This was in the beginning toward God. All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.

I stay with King James Version. The only true Holy Bible

John 1
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2. The same was in the beginning with God. With God means in God. In God, is Divine Good and Divine Truth. The Holy name Jesus means Divine Good, and the Holy name Christ means Divine Truth. Divine Good and Divine Truth are the Divine Essence of the Father.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. I believe that Jesus Christ is God the only Creator.

4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. This means Jesus Christ as to Divine Truth, in which alone there is life and there is light.

Harry


As far back as you want to go there was the Word, the expression of God, through Whom He created all things.

And Paul tells us in 1 Cor.4:4: "...Christ, Who is the Image of the Invisible God.." and in Col.1:15: "...`the Son of His love, in Whom we are having the deliverance, the pardon of sins, Who is the Image of the invisible God.."

If you could see Jehovah God, you would see the Son of His love, Christ Jesus the Lord.

To me "Jesus" is His human name given to Him at His birth in Bethlehem.
His full title is Christ Jesus the Lord.

Oh yes, the name "Joshua or yeshua" was an ancient name in Israel's history, and meant "Jah saves" or "Jehovah saves". And "Jesus" is the Latinized form of "Iesous" Gk, meaning "Saviour".

Before the Word became flesh, I believe He was with the Father, as he said a number of times in the Gospels. IMO all the occurences of God or the Lord appearing or speaking or whatever, was the Word, the Son of God.


All for now. Will take up the second quote later. God bless, Arnold
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Harry's second quote from Jan 05, 2006:

"Hell is divided into two, front and the back. The front are the satans and the back are the devils. There no such thing as one devil and satan. One devil can not tempt billions of souls,and one satan cannot put false ideas into . Man by his own evil acts and false ideas about God becomes a devil and satan. If a man's evil acts are more than his false ideas, he becomes more of a devil. Man enters heaven or hell to the degree that heaven or hell enter him. A person with lesser evil than another does not the hell with the ones with the greater evil. Heaven itself is divided into two."

Your idea of hell and heaven is certainly not Scriptural. Is this your idea or did you get it from someone else? It appears to be human philosophy, perhaps influenced by pagan Greek philosophers, such as Plato

You use "satans" in the plural, as well as "devils". As far as myriads of humans being tempted, have you not read that Satan, the devil, has a kingdom which must consist of unknown numbers of demons and angels (messengers)?

Do you have a concordance, such as Young's or Strong's? If so, use it to verify words and locations in the KJV. But, perhaps you have been trained not to, for it might open your eyes as to the truth. I'm not saying this sarcastically, but yearning that you might see the truth, that Christ, the Lamb of God, through his sacrifice takes away the sin of the world.

The meaning of "Satan" from the Hebrew, is "adversary" or "accuser", and while these words may be applied to humans, we can know from scripture there is one Satan, the adversary of God, because the article "the" is used.

The unfortunate part of the KJV is it uses "devils" for the word "diamon" (Gk), when "demon" should be used. Demons are evil or unclean spirits, part of the Satan's kingdom.

Satan is also called "the devil", singular. There are 35 places in the NT where "the devil" is used. And in Rev.20:2 Satan's identities are all put together: "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan....".

As I said above, humans can accuse or become adversaries to the truth, but they are still humans. They don't become "a devil".

As for mankind being able to merit heaven based on his works or deeds, let us read from the KJV, Romans 3:10-11, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE: THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD.

Then one may ask. How can one attain true righteousness? Reading on in verse 21 ff, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redeemption that is in Christ Jesus:..."

Isn't it great! Mankind can never do enough "good deeds" to merit heaven.
But God, who knew what would happen from Adam on, in order to show his great love for us, became the instigator and completor of our salvation. And this became possible through the death of His Son on the cross, and his resurrection. All we need to do is believe it.

God bless, Bick
 
Bick said:
Harry's second quote from Jan 05, 2006:

"Hell is divided into two, front and the back. The front are the satans and the back are the devils. There no such thing as one devil and satan. One devil can not tempt billions of souls,and one satan cannot put false ideas into . Man by his own evil acts and false ideas about God becomes a devil and satan. If a man's evil acts are more than his false ideas, he becomes more of a devil. Man enters heaven or hell to the degree that heaven or hell enter him. A person with lesser evil than another does not the hell with the ones with the greater evil. Heaven itself is divided into two."

Your idea of hell and heaven is certainly not Scriptural. Is this your idea or did you get it from someone else? It appears to be human philosophy, perhaps influenced by pagan Greek philosophers, such as Plato

You use "satans" in the plural, as well as "devils". As far as myriads of humans being tempted, have you not read that Satan, the devil, has a kingdom which must consist of unknown numbers of demons and angels (messengers)?

Do you have a concordance, such as Young's or Strong's? If so, use it to verify words and locations in the KJV. But, perhaps you have been trained not to, for it might open your eyes as to the truth. I'm not saying this sarcastically, but yearning that you might see the truth, that Christ, the Lamb of God, through his sacrifice takes away the sin of the world.

The meaning of "Satan" from the Hebrew, is "adversary" or "accuser", and while these words may be applied to humans, we can know from scripture there is one Satan, the adversary of God, because the article "the" is used.

The unfortunate part of the KJV is it uses "devils" for the word "diamon" (Gk), when "demon" should be used. Demons are evil or unclean spirits, part of the Satan's kingdom.

Satan is also called "the devil", singular. There are 35 places in the NT where "the devil" is used. And in Rev.20:2 Satan's identities are all put together: "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan....".

As I said above, humans can accuse or become adversaries to the truth, but they are still humans. They don't become "a devil".

As for mankind being able to merit heaven based on his works or deeds, let us read from the KJV, Romans 3:10-11, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE: THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD.

Then one may ask. How can one attain true righteousness? Reading on in verse 21 ff, "But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redeemption that is in Christ Jesus:..."

Isn't it great! Mankind can never do enough "good deeds" to merit heaven.
But God, who knew what would happen from Adam on, in order to show his great love for us, became the instigator and completor of our salvation. And this became possible through the death of His Son on the cross, and his resurrection. All we need to do is believe it.

God bless, Bick
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This topic is about "The Right Hand of God.

In the Word the Lord said that the Father and I are one, that the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father? This the Lord plainly says (in John 10:30, and John 14:10, 11). If you do not believe this you divide God into two; and when this is done you are unable to think about God otherwise than naturally, sensually, and even materially; and this has been done in the world since the time of the Council of Nice, which introduced the doctrine of three Divine persons from eternity, and thereby turned the church into a theater furnished with painted hangings, where the actors were representing new plays.

The right hand of God is not one person with another, but God as a man, under the name Jesus Christ. Jehovah God the Father as a man, under the name Jesus Christ was able to redeem man. The Father cannot redeem man from His infinte, which means invisble. But as a Man, in the Finite Form, that can be seen and spoken too. The Father gave all power to the Human Finite Form He put on in the world. Jesus said all power was given to Me. The Father and I are one. He meant one as Soul and Body, not just one in agreement. The soul and body of a man are in agreement when both are one, and agree with each other. The mind is the soul, and when this acts against what was said by the mouth of the person, like the church learneth Preachers saying there is one God with their mouths, but their mind thinks three. This is done because reason, has no part in it, it has been put to sleep.

Harry :fadein:
 
Tell me Harry, are these words your own thoughts, or are you getting them from some reference or study books?

Do you believe that our salvation, our deliverance is only through the shed blood of Christ on the Cross? And God the Father showing that His sacrifice was perfect, complete by raising Him from the dead?

God bless, Bick
 
Bick said:
Tell me Harry, are these words your own thoughts, or are you getting them from some reference or study books?

Do you believe that our salvation, our deliverance is only through the shed blood of Christ on the Cross?


Salvation is to look to the Lord as the Word, and live according to it.There is no salvation by faith alone without good works.

And God the Father showing that His sacrifice was perfect, complete by raising Him from the dead?

God bless, Bick
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Jehovah God the Father came into this world to do two things: 1. He came to redeem us and the angels, 2.to glorifiy His Human. The word glory in the Word means Divine. Lord mentions the word glory, glorify and glorified. The suffering on the cross was to glorify His Human and make it Divine, and to unit it with the Divine in Himself called the Father.

As the "Spirit of Truth" or "Holy Spirit" is the same as the Lord, who is the Truth itself, it is said, "the Holy Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified" John 7:39; for after His glorification or complete unition with the Father, which was effected by the passion of the cross, the Lord was Divine Wisdom and Divine Truth itself, the Holy Spirit. The reason why the Lord breathed on the disciples and said, "Receive ye the Holy Spirit," was that all the breathing of heaven is from the Lord. For angels as well as men have breathing and beating of the heart; their breathing being according to their reception of wisdom from the Lord, and their beating of the heart or pulse being according to their reception of Divine love from the Lord.

Harry :fadein:

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Bick said:
Tell me Harry, are these words your own thoughts, or are you getting them from some reference or study books?

Do you believe that our salvation, our deliverance is only through the shed blood of Christ on the Cross?


Salvation is to look to the Lord as the Word, and live according to it.There is no salvation by faith alone without good works.

And God the Father showing that His sacrifice was perfect, complete by raising Him from the dead?

God bless, Bick
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Jehovah God the Father came into this world to do two things: 1. He came to redeem us and the angels, 2.to glorifiy His Human. The word glory in the Word means Divine. Lord mentions the word glory, glorify and glorified. The suffering on the cross was to glorify His Human and make it Divine, and to unit it with the Divine in Himself called the Father.

As the "Spirit of Truth" or "Holy Spirit" is the same as the Lord, who is the Truth itself, it is said, "the Holy Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified" John 7:39; for after His glorification or complete unition with the Father, which was effected by the passion of the cross, the Lord was Divine Wisdom and Divine Truth itself, the Holy Spirit. The reason why the Lord breathed on the disciples and said, "Receive ye the Holy Spirit," was that all the breathing of heaven is from the Lord. For angels as well as men have breathing and beating of the heart; their breathing being according to their reception of wisdom from the Lord, and their beating of the heart or pulse being according to their reception of Divine love from the Lord.

Harry :fadein:

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