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The Scope of It All

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When we read the epistles to the Romans and to the Ephesians carefully, we cannot but see the difference between where the Gospel places us on earth, and where knowledge of our position puts us. In Romans I am a justified man going on to glory, fulfilling (because walking is the Spirit) the righteousness of the law (Rom 8:4)—all that God had required of a man, magnified in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hence such an one presents the body as a living sacrifice, and serves according to the gift given him of the Father, known by the measure of faith (Rom 12:3). As a believer, he is hated by the world (Jhn 15:18, 24). There is nothing of position in all this, though no one could walk in the truth of the mystery (concerning Christ and the Church - Eph 5:32—NC), if he had not all this. I am through grace as much an Ephesian saint as I am a Roman saint; but I must be the lesser, or I could not be the greater (Mat 23:12).

In Romans I am a delivered one on the earth, walking in the Life of the Lord Jesus (Col 3:4), by the Holy Spirit dwelling in me (Jhn 14:16; Rom 8:11; 1Co 3:16). In Ephesians I am a member of the Body of Christ, in union with Him who is the Head in heaven (Colossians 1:18; Ephesians 5:23) and a member of His Body set there where He is, by the same power that placed Him there (Eph 2:6). The power that positioned me there works in us here (Eph 3:20), and now I am united wih the exalted Man: and by His Life I grow into a manifestation of Him where He has been rejected.

The Body of the glorified man is down here on the earth is to “grow up unto Him in all things” (Eph 4:15), “till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” (Eph 4:13). Now we are not only opposed by the power of Amalek, who cut off the weak ones (Deu 25:18), but the whole subtlety of Satan is arrayed against us, in order to prevent our being in heavenly beauty down here (the devil can delay a believer’s growth in the faith in Christ, but never effect salvation, nor prohibit faith—NC). The Enemy cannot deprive us of our heavenly position, but he tries to prevent the manifestation of it from us.

This is the scope of the grace given to us in the whole, though we grow into it in parts (in position saints are everything Christ is - 1Jo 4:17, but are learning its application and fullness gradually—NC). The only way to grow is to be conscientiously true to what we so see. “He that hath, to him shall be given” (Mar 4:25). The more separate I am from the world (some separate themselves more than others—NC), and the less I am conformed to it, the less am I warped, and the better I can “prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God” (Rom 12:2).

Every true heart knows its own world. My world may not be the world to you. Music is one man’s world; painting, another man’s world; politics another’s, riches another’s, his family another’s and so on. Whatever is most difficult to surrender is your world; (“surrender” - place after God—NC) and as you advance, according as you seek separation to the Father, you have to separate from what you are most bound by (“bound” worldliness that means too much to you—NC), for it is that which influences you the most. It may even be a paltry thing. Isaac was warped by his son’s deception. Peter wanted to stand well with those who “came from James” (Gal 2:11-14 - these were Judaizing Christians believing in Christ, but were zealous of the law - Act 21:20—NC).

The Lord give you to see the whole scope of His grace, and give you grace to lay aside every hindrance, dealing honestly and truly with the one next to you. Many occupy themselves with the branches instead of with the root. The root is the seat of the evil, and the Spirit of God always leads to it (to put it off at the source—NC).


—J B Stoney





MJS daily devotional excerpt for November 27

“The Lord Jesus Christ is the only object for faith, the only One that satisfies us, as indeed He is the Father’s Object; and if we have got but one mind with the Father about Him, our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.” If you are walking in the Spirit, the Lord Jesus is the Object before you; when you are walking in the flesh, yourself is your object.” William Kelly (1821-1906)
 
No longer my will be done, but to submit all to God's will as being that faithful servant He has called us to be. Humble and submit. Not always easy to do as we are still housed in this corruptible body, but Spiritually renewed by the Holy Spirit to walk in the Spirit.
 
No longer my will be done, but to submit all to God's will as being that faithful servant He has called us to be. Humble and submit. Not always easy to do as we are still housed in this corruptible body, but Spiritually renewed by the Holy Spirit to walk in the Spirit.
Yes, the body is corruptible concerning the physical, but not concerning the spiritual, for it "is the temple of the Holy Ghost" (1Co 6:19). It's the "old man" or sin nature that corrupts our spirit; but that is remedied by Christ's atonement, which is applied by the Spirit and is how we can "glorify God in your body, and in your spirit" (1Co 6:20 ).

Thanks for the reply Sis, and God's blessings to your Family!

PS: Is it possible for me to switch to daylight on this forum?
 
Yes, the body is corruptible concerning the physical, but not concerning the spiritual, for it "is the temple of the Holy Ghost" (1Co 6:19). It's the "old man" or sin nature that corrupts our spirit; but that is remedied by Christ's atonement, which is applied by the Spirit and is how we can "glorify God in your body, and in your spirit" (1Co 6:20 ).

Thanks for the reply Sis, and God's blessings to your Family!

PS: Is it possible for me to switch to daylight on this forum?
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see a paint brush default, click on that and change from dark to light.
 
Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see a paint brush default, click on that and change from dark to light.
Really appreciate the information about the brush app. Also wanted to mention that God will use our old body to establish the new body. He put a lot of store in our old body, I think because His Spirit dwelt in it!

"But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you" (Rom 8:11).
 
Also wanted to mention that God will use our old body to establish the new body.
I always wondered about this. Let's say a Christian on a ship in 50AD fell overboard. By now every molecule of his body has disintegrated and has been eaten by every creature down there, been digested, pooped out and eaten again by whatever for 2,000 years.
I can't see there being anything being left of that old body.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

That old body was natural - made out of carbon atoms. The resurrected body probably isn't made out of carbon atoms, but spirit.

Job 19:26 And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God

By "my flesh" I believe Job knew that he would have some kind of body and not be a disembodied ghost.
 
Hi Whatever I know you asked netchaplain this question, but I would also like to answer this.

Paul teaches us about the nature of the resurrected in 1Cor 15:50-58 that we are given new glorified bodies, but we don't know what we will be like other than like Christ in His glorified body. We know that flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God so it is not this flesh body that has rotted away in the grave that will be resurrected, but that we receive new Spiritual bodies.

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
 
but we don't know what we will be like other than like Christ in His glorified body.
Yeah, but there are passages that say:
Ezekiel 37:13 Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves.

Psalm 71:20
You, who have shown me great and severe troubles, Shall revive me again, And bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

I guess these should be taken metaphorically. But a lot of people are expecting to see actual graves opening and people coming out.
But the Christians in the first century who were eaten by lions don't have graves.

I actually found this from the Cambridge dictionary:
Since resurrection bodies are incorruptible, they are not carbon based and hence not identical to organisms, human biological bodies.

So Jesus' body had to go through some kind of change in the tomb, but yet He had the same wounds, and I assume will always have them forever.
 
I always wondered about this. Let's say a Christian on a ship in 50AD fell overboard. By now every molecule of his body has disintegrated and has been eaten by every creature down there, been digested, pooped out and eaten again by whatever for 2,000 years.
I can't see there being anything being left of that old body.
According to the law of conservation neither energy nor matter can be created nor destroyed; they can only be transformed from one form to another. Everything that has been in existence is still here, just reduced to its lowest form of atoms as vapor, which goes out into space, and smallest particles. Then the Lord recalls everything that was in our bodies and "shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body" (Phl 3:21).
 
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Yeah, but there are passages that say:
Ezekiel 37:13 Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves.

Psalm 71:20 You, who have shown me great and severe troubles, Shall revive me again, And bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

I guess these should be taken metaphorically. But a lot of people are expecting to see actual graves opening and people coming out.
But the Christians in the first century who were eaten by lions don't have graves.

I actually found this from the Cambridge dictionary:
Since resurrection bodies are incorruptible, they are not carbon based and hence not identical to organisms, human biological bodies.

So Jesus' body had to go through some kind of change in the tomb, but yet He had the same wounds, and I assume will always have them forever.
This still does not show what we will look like in our resurrected bodies.
 
This still does not show what we will look like in our resurrected bodies.
The closest we can get is what John says:
1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Before He went up out of their sight, He looked like a human person.
 
The closest we can get is what John says:
1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Before He went up out of their sight, He looked like a human person.
Yes, they saw Him ascend up in His new glorified body. All I know is that I can't hardly wait till that day comes. What a time of rejoicing it will be :sohappy
 
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