The Spirit of Islam - who is it?

[Gary]

THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM
New York, Madrid, Beslan

by Silas

The world is awakening to true Islam. Even Muslims are now questioning and admitting the dark aspects of their faith. The world tastes Islam’s fruit and spits it out. Throughout the world devout Muslim men and women dedicate their lives to fly planes into buildings, blow up trains, murder little children, and butcher humanity in various ways.

Hardly a week goes by without yet another fresh atrocity committed by these devout Muslims. These men spend months, if not years, planning these attacks. They know full well that they would or could possibly die, not in committing suicide, but as brave Muslim soldiers giving their lives for Allah in jihad.

Have you wondered, "What drives these Muslims to commit these horrible crimes?"

This article is about the "spirit" of Islam, that spirit that motivates and drives these men. Somehow their consciences were seared and their hearts hardened to the point where they can purposefully target children and rend them. The world sees it and instinctively knows there is something dark within Islam.

The only thing lacking is that many people are unable to differentiate between what they call, "Islamist", and real Islam. Real Islam is what Muhammad did and taught. The terrorists today, the "Islamists", are the real Muslims. They are putting into practice what Muhammad taught. They are building their lives upon Muhammad’s foundation. Fortunately, I’m now beginning to see, hear, and read, that more and more people understand that the Islam of the "Islamists" is indeed the real Islam.

Read more:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/sp ... _islam.htm

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[Asimov]

THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM
New York, Madrid, Beslan

by Silas

The world is awakening to true Islam. Even Muslims are now questioning and admitting the dark aspects of their faith. The world tastes Islam’s fruit and spits it out. Throughout the world devout Muslim men and women dedicate their lives to fly planes into buildings, blow up trains, murder little children, and butcher humanity in various ways.

Hardly a week goes by without yet another fresh atrocity committed by these devout Muslims. These men spend months, if not years, planning these attacks. They know full well that they would or could possibly die, not in committing suicide, but as brave Muslim soldiers giving their lives for Allah in jihad.

Have you wondered, "What drives these Muslims to commit these horrible crimes?"

This article is about the "spirit" of Islam, that spirit that motivates and drives these men. Somehow their consciences were seared and their hearts hardened to the point where they can purposefully target children and rend them. The world sees it and instinctively knows there is something dark within Islam.

The only thing lacking is that many people are unable to differentiate between what they call, "Islamist", and real Islam. Real Islam is what Muhammad did and taught. The terrorists today, the "Islamists", are the real Muslims. They are putting into practice what Muhammad taught. They are building their lives upon Muhammad’s foundation. Fortunately, I’m now beginning to see, hear, and read, that more and more people understand that the Islam of the "Islamists" is indeed the real Islam.

Read more:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/sp ... _islam.htm

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Pot calling the kettle black, Gary Bee. You should look at the bloody history of Christians before judging the Muslims.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Pot Calling the kettle black Asimov. You should remove the plack from your own eye before you try taking out the speck from Gary's eye.

Do you really want me to go about pointing out the times cultic pratices and atheist have murdered people as well? No one religion is perfect, But christianity is the only one redeemed by a perfect savior, Jesus the Christ.

 

[evanman]

It is the same spirit that ruled over the Kamakaze of Japan, the Tugees of India, the Berserkers of Northern Europe. It is the spirit of Satan.

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Pot calling the kettle black, Gary Bee. You should look at the bloody history of Christians before judging the Muslims.

And that my friends is why I worship Jesus and not Christianity…Christianity the Religion has not always been about Jesus but Christianity the Faith has.

Pot Calling the kettle black Asimov. You should remove the plack from your own eye before you try taking out the speck from Gary's eye.

Do you really want me to go about pointing out the times cultic pratices and atheist have murdered people as well? No one religion is perfect, But christianity is the only one redeemed by a perfect savior, Jesus the Christ.

Good points Brutus…Religion is not perfect but Jesus Christ is!

 

[Asimov]

Pot Calling the kettle black Asimov. You should remove the plack from your own eye before you try taking out the speck from Gary's eye.

Do you really want me to go about pointing out the times cultic pratices and atheist have murdered people as well? No one religion is perfect, But christianity is the only one redeemed by a perfect savior, Jesus the Christ.

Please do, I'd like to see which Atheist groups have had 2000 years of slaughter and torture behind them.

Christianity is the only one that claims that a *edit: human* savior is needed (that I'm aware of), so what you're saying is pointless.

 

[evanman]

It has been the spirit of Imperial Rome that has been at the heart of most of the slaughter done in the name of Christ.

Christ has not been behind any of this!

 

[Asimov]

It has been the spirit of Imperial Rome that has been at the heart of most of the slaughter done in the name of Christ.

Christ has not been behind any of this!

I'm not claiming Christ was behind it. I'm saying that these people who claim that they are full of love are killing and torturing people, and have done so, and continue to do so.

 

[Gary]

The difference is that people who kill in the name of Jesus Christ do NOT follow Him or what he taught.

However, Muslims can (and do) follow Muhammad's example in the Quran and the Hadith.... and kill and murder those who oppose them.

That is the point of the article a quoted. Silas asks which "spirit" Islam follows and concludes that it is the spirit of satan.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/sp ... _islam.htm

"This article is about the "spirit" of Islam, that spirit that motivates and drives these men. Somehow their consciences were seared and their hearts hardened to the point where they can purposefully target children and rend them. The world sees it and instinctively knows there is something dark within Islam.

"The only thing lacking is that many people are unable to differentiate between what they call, "Islamist", and real Islam. Real Islam is what Muhammad did and taught. The terrorists today, the "Islamists", are the real Muslims. They are putting into practice what Muhammad taught. They are building their lives upon Muhammad’s foundation. Fortunately, I’m now beginning to see, hear, and read, that more and more people understand that the Islam of the "Islamists" is indeed the real Islam.

.... and more ....

So, the question is:

"Who or what is this evil power, this vile spirit, that affected Muhammad so greatly that he attempted suicide many times? Who is this spirit that motivated Abu Bakr to massacre thousands who left Islam? Who is this spirit that drove those Muslims to fly planes into buildings, blow up trains of commuters, and murder those little children?

"The Bible tells us that there are spiritual powers at work that influence men’s minds. Take a look at Ephesians 6:12

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world-forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Jesus commented on the spirit we are talking about:

John 8:44: You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him.

"I am saying that Satan was behind Muhammad’s experience. I say that Muhammad’s own words, found in his initial analysis, were correct. He got it right! He had an encounter with a demonic power indeed and during those years of mental anguish Satan slowly but surely warped Muhammad and during later times influenced his actions and teachings.

"Muhammad was able to ‘forgive’ many sins, but he could not accept those who rejected his claim as prophet. Why? Because if their denial were true, then it would mean that Muhammad was indeed influenced, or possessed by a demon. Then suicide would once again be his only option.

"Now I’m going to take this a step farther and have a deeper look. If you study the teachings of real Islam, you will learn that it has never condoned the deliberate murder of children. Yet Muslims have been murdering children for a long time. If you go back some ten years you will find Muslims in Algeria slitting the throats of Muslim children and throwing them down farm wells. You can look up photos of this in Time magazine. So it is no surprise that if devout Muslims are driven to murder Muslim children, they certainly will murder non-Muslim children. But these actions are clearly non-Islamic. Why then are these devout Muslims murdering children? Because the strong power that is behind Islam cares little for Muhammad’s man-made rules.

"Satan is a destroyer. He was a murderer and liar from the beginning and so he is now. He uses people to accomplish his work. He scoffs at their weak rules. Instead, he dominates their minds and hearts and bends them to do his will. This is what he did with Muhammad. That is why the trail of blood grew ever wider behind Muhammad.

"Over time, Muhammad’s new revelations became more brutal. The Quran’s chapter 9 is one of the last, and most violent, chapters in the Quran. In it Satan was able to command words of destruction. There Muhammad commands the Muslims to make war upon the unbelievers, Christians and Jews. All people were to come under Islam’s subjection or be killed. Have a look at the following articles to see just how violent authentic Islam really is!

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/jihad.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorist.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/kronemer.htm

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[Asimov]

The difference is that people who kill in the name of Jesus Christ do NOT follow Him or what he taught.

However, Muslims can (and do) follow Muhammad's example in the Quran and the Hadith.... and kill and murder those who oppose them.

That is the point of the article a quoted. Silas asks which "spirit" Islam follows and concludes that it is the spirit of satan.

Muhammed examples were not killing and murder. Islam is a tolerant religion, and even allowed different churches and religions set up while they were ruling in Spain. Muhammed recognized that humans, unless ruled, would do whatever they wished, when they wished. That is not to say that Islams history is perfect and clean.

It is as bad, if not better, than the Christians history.

 

[Gary]

Asimov: Muhammed examples were not killing and murder.

Gary: Yes they were. Read about Muhammad and what he did here... http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/

Asimov: Islam is a tolerant religion..

Gary: Not true at all. Read about what his followers did after his death... These men and women loved and obeyed Muhammad. Their deeds would represent what they knew he wanted them to do. And their hands are very bloody. Tens of thousands of people left Islam after Muhammad died. But the Muslim leaders forced these people to rejoin Islam, or die. Thousands were killed simply because they never wanted to be Muslims in the first place. They only became Muslims out of fear for their lives. They hoped to leave Islam after Muhammad died, but that was not to be. Finally, these very same Muslim leaders turned upon each other and within a generation, the Muslims were at each other’s throats. If you want more information about these internal Muslim conflicts and wars, read the following series of articles starting here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/rf1_mhd_wealth.htm.


MUHAMMAD’S LIFE

As Muhammad gained power over those that rejected his claim as prophet he perpetrated crimes against them. He started out with robbery, which led to murder. Later he ordered assassinations of men and women. As he grew in power he attacked various Arab tribes killing the men and enslaving the women and children. Finally he attacked small towns. As Muhammad lived the trail of blood behind him grew ever wider. The fruit of his life was not one of peace and construction; rather it was one of violence and destruction. You can read about Muhammad’s dark side in many articles found in this index: http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/

The point is that as his power grew, his crimes against non-Muslim people grew in number and brutality. And in many cases they parallel what the Muslims today are doing! Do the beheadings of innocent men shock you? Muhammad had hundreds of men beheaded!

To illustrate what I am talking about, I want to focus briefly on one of his crimes: Muhammad’s treatment of the Banu Qaynuqa Jews. You can find a detailed account of this, as "Incident #3," here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/jihad.htm.

The summary of this event is that Muhammad and the Jews fought a battle. Muhammad besieged the Jews and after a couple weeks they surrendered. Note in the quote below that one of Muhammad’s conditions of surrender (in blue bold), was that the Jews would be able to leave Medina with their wives and children. However, Muhammad lied and broke his word. This account is found in Ibn Sa’d’s "Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir", volume 2, page 32:

They shut themselves up in their fortress, so he (Prophet) strongly besieged them, till Allah cast fear in their hearts. They submitted to the orders of the Apostle of Allah, that their property would be for the Prophet while they would take their women and children with them. Then under his orders their hands were tied behind their backs. The Apostle of Allah appointed al-Mudhir Ibn Qadamah al-Slimi, of the Banu al-Silm, the tribe of Sa’d Ibn Khaythamah to tie their hands behind their backs. Abd Allah Ibn Ubayyi had a talk with the Apostle of Allah about them and entreated him (to release them). Thereupon he (Prophet) said: Leave them, may Allah curse them and curse him who is with them! He abandoned the idea of their killing and ordered them to be banished from Madinah.

You see that when Muhammad ordered the Jews to be tied up it meant that he intended to massacre them. That is why the Pagan leader, Abd Allah Ibn Ubayy, confronted Muhammad immediately and demanded that he not murder them for they were his friends. Muhammad backed down from Ubayy and let the Jews leave.

What does this event reveal to us about Muhammad’s character? Look at the deception and brutality in his heart, this so-called "prophet of Allah". He gave his word to let a defeated people leave, but then lied, tied up the hundreds of men, who had laid down their arms, and prepared to massacre them.

Is this, "an example for humanity" that the Quran claims Muhammad to be? Only the higher morality and character of a Pagan saved those Jews’ lives.

A final note on this is that a few years later Muhammad succeeded in massacring a different tribe of Jews, the Banu Qurayza. You can read about it here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/

What a thug!

Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/sp ... _islam.htm

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[Asimov]

Not true at all. Read about what his followers did after his death... These men and women loved and obeyed Muhammad. Their deeds would represent what they knew he wanted them to do. And their hands are very bloody. Tens of thousands of people left Islam after Muhammad died. But the Muslim leaders forced these people to rejoin Islam, or die. Thousands were killed simply because they never wanted to be Muslims in the first place. They only became Muslims out of fear for their lives. They hoped to leave Islam after Muhammad died, but that was not to be. Finally, these very same Muslim leaders turned upon each other and within a generation, the Muslims were at each other’s throats. If you want more information about these internal Muslim conflicts and wars, read the following series of articles starting here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/rf1_mhd_wealth.htm.

Just as the Christians loved and obeyed Christ. And killed millions. Even the bibles stories are full of fire and death.

 

[Gary]

Asimov: "Just as the Christians loved and obeyed Christ. And killed millions....

Gary: You cannot murder and then say you follow Jesus. You CAN murder those who oppose Islam and then say you follow Muhammad. That is the difference. Jesus FORGAVE those who persecuted Him. Muhammad MURDERED those who opposed him.

:-?

 

[Asimov]

Asimov: "Just as the Christians loved and obeyed Christ. And killed millions....

Gary: You cannot murder and then say you follow Jesus. You CAN murder those who oppose Islam and then say you follow Muhammad. That is the difference. Jesus FORGAVE those who persecuted Him. Muhammad MURDERED those who opposed him.

:-?

Jesus also murdered millions of people, commited genocide, and killed little children, unless of course, you say the OT doesn't count.

 

[Quath]

You cannot murder and then say you follow Jesus. You CAN murder those who oppose Islam and then say you follow Muhammad. That is the difference. Jesus FORGAVE those who persecuted Him. Muhammad MURDERED those who opposed him.

Jails are full of Christians that have murdered.

The world wars were fought by Christians fighting Christians and both thought that God sided with them over the evil opposition.

Quath

 

[Gary]

Quath: Jails are full of Christians that have murdered.

Gary: They may have murdered. However, they did NOT follow Jesus' example or commandments.

When a Muslim murders an apostate, he is following Muhammad's example. When a Muslim beheads or murders an unbeliever who insulted Muhammad, he is following Muhammad's example.

READ MORE: The murder of Theo Van Gogh and Islam....
http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/assassins.htm

:o :o

 

[evanman]

Jails are NOT full of christians, full stop.

They are full of convicted felons, some of which may profess to be christians. Most of the prison population is not comprised of Christians.

 

[Quath]

Sounds like you are using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. People in jail roughly correspond to the general population. Since Christians are more common in the general population, they are more common in the prison as well.

Or do you think that no Christians commit crimes? Like would a priest molest a boy? Or a preacher pay for a hooker?

Quath

 

[Gary]

The spirit of Islam

As usual, Quath has tried to "red herring" the thread which is about the "spirit" of Islam.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/sp ... _islam.htm

"This article is about the "spirit" of Islam, that spirit that motivates and drives these men. Somehow their consciences were seared and their hearts hardened to the point where they can purposefully target children and rend them. The world sees it and instinctively knows there is something dark within Islam.

 

[Quath]

Islam is no darker than the Old Testament. God frequently supported campaigns to slaughter whole towns in His name. Islam just seems to be going back to the OT roots. So anything dark within Islam has the same roots in Christianity. On the positive side, Christianity tries to change the character of God to be loving and forgiving instead of a homocidal overlord.

Quath