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Bible Study The three unforgivable sins... Advanced teaching.

ikester7579 said:
Because you use different translations of the word of God, you will always have this view. And you are welcome to it. When it comes to different translations, and a certain view point. I find it pointless to debate. Because different translations is the actual subject. And someone can make any point they want using them.

So if you find more truth with usage of these translations, I have no arguement. And it is your right to believe what you wish. But conflicting translations only confuse me, so I pick one and stick with it. If people think that being a KJV only person is a cult, then so be it. And we could start a thread about who's transaltion is right. But I have never found that type of debate very educational because everyone ends up getting mad.

So your entitled to your view, and that view does not have to agree with mine,
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I prefer the KJV. However, the difference between some translations is not a 100% difference. Just because there are a few differences doesn't mean that there is no agreement on specific terms. In this case the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit, they are IN agreement in definition of terms. I do not find any bible to be in disagreement over what the Holy Spirit is in relation to the Holy Ghost.

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pneu=ma - ghost, Holy Ghost

pneu=ma - spirit, Spirit, Spirit, spirits, spiritual



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ATS Bible Dictionary

HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST

The third person in the blessed Trinity. He is said to proceed from the Father, and to be sent by the Father and the Son upon disciples, John 14:26 15:26; to be the Spirit of the Father, Matthew 10:20 1 Corinthians 2:11; and the Spirit of Christ, Galatians 4:6 Philippians 1:19.

That he is a real PERSON, and not merely an attribute or emanation of God, is clear from the numerous passages in the Bible which describes him as exercising the acts, thoughts, emotions, and volition of a distinct intelligent person. None other could be pleased, vexed, and grieved, could speak, console, and intercede, or divide his gifts severally to every one, as he will. So also, in Greek as in English, the personal masculine pronouns would be necessary.

That he is a DIVINE PERSON, equally with the Father, and the Son, is proved from his association with them in a great variety of acts purely divine; as in the work of creation, Genesis 1:2 Psalms 33:6 104:30. He is honored as they are in the baptismal formula, Matthew 28:19, and in the apostolic benediction, 2 Corinthians 13:14. He receives the name, 2 Corinthians 3:17, and exercises the attributes of God, Romans 8:14 1 Corinthians 2:10 6:19 Hebrews 9:14. He is prayed to as God, Revelation 1:4,5; sin against him is sin against God, Acts 5:3,4 Ephesians 4:30; and blasphemy against him is unpardonable, Matthew 12:31.

The WORK of the Holy Spirit is divine. Of old, he inspired the sacred writers and teachers, and imparted miraculous gifts. Under the Christian dispensation, he applies the salvation of Christ to men’s hearts, convincing them of sin, John 16:8,9; showing them "the things of Christ," illuminating and regenerating them, John 3:5 Ephesians 2:1. He is the Comforter of the church, aids believers in prayer, witnesses with and intercedes for them, directs them in duty, and sanctifies them for heaven.

Copyright Statement
These dictionary topics are from American Tract Society Bible Dictionary published in 1859. Public Domain, copy freely.

Bibliography Information
Rand, W. W. "Entry for 'HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST'". "American Tract Society Bible Dictionary".
<http://www.studylight.org/dic/ats/view.cgi?number=T1008>. 1859.
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source: http://studylight.org/dic/ats/view.cgi?number=T1008

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That he is a real PERSON, and not merely an attribute or emanation of God, is clear from the numerous passages in the Bible which describes him as exercising the acts, thoughts, emotions, and volition of a distinct intelligent person. None other could be pleased, vexed, and grieved, could speak, console, and intercede, or divide his gifts severally to every one, as he will. So also, in Greek as in English, the personal masculine pronouns would be necessary.

You said it. You need to put this in that other Holy Spirit/Ghost thread that you started.
 
Relic said:
ikester7579 said:
Because you use different translations of the word of God, you will always have this view. And you are welcome to it. When it comes to different translations, and a certain view point. I find it pointless to debate. Because different translations is the actual subject. And someone can make any point they want using them.

So if you find more truth with usage of these translations, I have no arguement. And it is your right to believe what you wish. But conflicting translations only confuse me, so I pick one and stick with it. If people think that being a KJV only person is a cult, then so be it. And we could start a thread about who's transaltion is right. But I have never found that type of debate very educational because everyone ends up getting mad.

So your entitled to your view, and that view does not have to agree with mine,
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I prefer the KJV. However, the difference between some translations is not a 100% difference. Just because there are a few differences doesn't mean that there is no agreement on specific terms. In this case the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit, they are IN agreement in definition of terms. I do not find any bible to be in disagreement over what the Holy Spirit is in relation to the Holy Ghost.

=============


pneu=ma - ghost, Holy Ghost

pneu=ma - spirit, Spirit, Spirit, spirits, spiritual



==============

ATS Bible Dictionary

HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST

The third person in the blessed Trinity. He is said to proceed from the Father, and to be sent by the Father and the Son upon disciples, John 14:26 15:26; to be the Spirit of the Father, Matthew 10:20 1 Corinthians 2:11; and the Spirit of Christ, Galatians 4:6 Philippians 1:19.

That he is a real PERSON, and not merely an attribute or emanation of God, is clear from the numerous passages in the Bible which describes him as exercising the acts, thoughts, emotions, and volition of a distinct intelligent person. None other could be pleased, vexed, and grieved, could speak, console, and intercede, or divide his gifts severally to every one, as he will. So also, in Greek as in English, the personal masculine pronouns would be necessary.

That he is a DIVINE PERSON, equally with the Father, and the Son, is proved from his association with them in a great variety of acts purely divine; as in the work of creation, Genesis 1:2 Psalms 33:6 104:30. He is honored as they are in the baptismal formula, Matthew 28:19, and in the apostolic benediction, 2 Corinthians 13:14. He receives the name, 2 Corinthians 3:17, and exercises the attributes of God, Romans 8:14 1 Corinthians 2:10 6:19 Hebrews 9:14. He is prayed to as God, Revelation 1:4,5; sin against him is sin against God, Acts 5:3,4 Ephesians 4:30; and blasphemy against him is unpardonable, Matthew 12:31.

The WORK of the Holy Spirit is divine. Of old, he inspired the sacred writers and teachers, and imparted miraculous gifts. Under the Christian dispensation, he applies the salvation of Christ to men’s hearts, convincing them of sin, John 16:8,9; showing them "the things of Christ," illuminating and regenerating them, John 3:5 Ephesians 2:1. He is the Comforter of the church, aids believers in prayer, witnesses with and intercedes for them, directs them in duty, and sanctifies them for heaven.

Copyright Statement
These dictionary topics are from American Tract Society Bible Dictionary published in 1859. Public Domain, copy freely.

Bibliography Information
Rand, W. W. "Entry for 'HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST'". "American Tract Society Bible Dictionary".
<http://www.studylight.org/dic/ats/view.cgi?number=T1008>. 1859.
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source: http://studylight.org/dic/ats/view.cgi?number=T1008

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The reason I won't to debate it here, or in the other thread is because you use different translations. I don't, and won't. And this is my chosing. So when you try and make a point using other translation when debating me, you more or less just stopped the debate because I won't read another transaltion. So I want see what you see, which makes the point your trying to make a waste of time.

I'm telling you this so you don't waste time. Not to disprove of how you find truth. This is just a rule I have for debating. It keeps me on track, and far less confused in my walk with Christ. I have just gotten to where I can really decipher information out of the KJV, to add another translation would only put me back to ground zero. Come to far for that. Hope you understand.

If you would like to see an example of what I mean by deciphering info, you can read where I go into creation in great detail. Day one has taken 4 pages so far, and may take one more before I am finished explaining just the first day.

http://www.yecheadquarters.org/Creation9.0.html.1.html
Make sure to click "next" at the bottom of each page to go to each part.
 
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