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The Truth About Rosary Beads ?

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History of the Rome Catholics Rosary Beads: :o :o :o

Orgin of Rosary Beads comes from an old Hindu Snake cult rite with beads. Used in Egypt, Babylon Niverah, Rome, and other evil cultures. Roman Catholic History start documents prove and say this in full details. This Prayer chanting is not of Jesus CHRIST ways.

Question: Who started this Hindu cults of prayer rites chanting? Answer: Monte Cassino about A.D. 1100 obtained a Hindu pagan goddess cult book entitled "Incipit Breviarium sive Ordo Officiorum per totam anni decursionem" date from the eleventh century. CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Brahminism Rosary Beads & Rites Supreme gods of Hindu India, and to facilitate this piety, each carries with him, often about his neck, a rosary, varying in material and the number of beads chanted in prayers to Shiva Hindu gods of the underworld.
Brahminism is meant the complex religion and social system which grew out of the polytheistic nature-worship of the ancient Aryan conquerors of northern India, and came, with the spread of their dominion, to be extended over the whole country, maintaining itself, not without profound modifications, down to the present day. In its intricate modern phases it is generally known as Hinduism.
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... For Rosary Bead Catholic History See last part of this page ...

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ROME CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCUMENTS ON The Rosary
I. ORIGIN IN THE WESTERN EUROPE CHURCH


"The Rosary", says the Roman Breviary, "is a certain form of prayer wherein we say fifteen decades or tens of Hail Marys with an Our Father between each ten, while at each of these fifteen decades we recall successively in pious meditation one of the mysteries of our Redemption." The same lesson for the Feast of the Holy Rosary informs us that when the Albigensian heresy was devastating the country of Toulouse, St. Dominic earnestly besought the help of Our Lady and was instructed by her, so tradition asserts, to preach the Rosary among the people as an antidote to heresy and sin. From that time forward this manner of prayer was "most wonderfully published abroad and developed [promulgari augerique coepit] by St. Dominic whom different Supreme Pontiffs have in various past ages of their apostolic letters declared to be the institutor and author of the same devotion." That many popes have so spoken is undoubtedly true, and amongst the rest we have a series of encyclicals, beginning in 1883, issued by Pope Leo XIII, which, while commending this devotion to the faithful in the most earnest terms, assumes the institution of the Rosary by St. Dominic to be a fact historically established. Of the remarkable fruits of this devotion and of the extraordinary favours which have been granted to the world, as is piously believed, through this means, something will be said under the headings FEAST OF THE ROSARY and CONFRATERNITIES OF THE ROSARY. We will confine ourselves here to the controverted question of its history, a matter which both in the middle of the eighteenth century and again in recent years has attracted much attention.

Let us begin with certain facts which will not be contested. It is tolerably obvious that whenever any prayer has to be repeated a large number of times recourse is likely to be had to some mechanical apparatus less troublesome than counting upon the fingers. In almost all countries, then, we meet with something in the nature of prayer-counters or rosary beads. Even in ancient Nineveh a sculpture has been found thus described by Lavard in his "Monuments" (I, plate 7): "Two winged females standing before the sacred tree in the attitude of prayer; they lift the extended right hand and hold in the left a garland or rosary." However this may be, it is certain that among the Mohammedans the Tasbih or bead-string, consisting of 33, 66, or 99 beads, and used for counting devotionally the names of Allah, has been in use for many centuries. Marco Polo, visiting the King of Malabar in the thirteenth century, found to his surprise that that monarch employed a rosary of 104 (? 108) precious stones to count his prayers. St. Francis Xavier and his companions were equally astonished to see that rosaries were universally familiar to the Buddhists of Japan. Among the monks of the Greek Church we hear of the kombologion, or komboschoinion, a cord with a hundred knots used to count genuflexions and signs of the cross. Similarly, beside the mummy of a Christian ascetic, Thaias, of the fourth century, recently disinterred at Antinöe in Egypt, was found a sort of cribbage-board with holes, which has generally been thought to be an apparatus for counting prayers, of which Palladius and other ancient authorities have left us an account. A certain Paul the Hermit, in the fourth century, had imposed upon himself the task of repeating three hundred prayers, according to a set form, every day. To do this, he gathered up three hundred pebbles and threw one away as each prayer was finished (Palladius, Hist. Laus., xx; Butler, II, 63). It is probable that other ascetics who also numbered their prayers by hundreds adopted some similar expedient. (Cf. "Vita S. Godrici", cviii.) Indeed when we find a papal privilege addressed to the monks of St. Apollinaris in Classe requiring them, in gratitude for the pope's benefactions, to say Kyrie eleison three hundred times twice a day (see the privilege of Hadrian I, A.D. 782, in Jaffe-Löwenfeld, n. 2437), one would infer that some counting apparatus must almost necessarily have been used for the purpose.


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Chapter V
Section IV

The Rosary and the Worship of the Sacred Heart

Every one knows how thoroughly Romanist is the use of the rosary; and how the devotees of Rome mechanically tell their prayers upon their beads.

The rosary, however, is no invention of the Papacy. It is of the highest antiquity, and almost universally found among Pagan nations.

The rosary was used as a sacred instrument among the ancient Mexicans. It is commonly employed among the Brahmins of Hindustan; and in the Hindu sacred books reference is made to it again and again.

Thus, in an account of the death of Sati, the wife of Shiva, we find the rosary introduced: "On hearing of this event, Shiva fainted from grief; then, having recovered, he hastened to the banks of the river of heaven, where he beheld lying the body of his beloved Sati, arrayed in white garments, holding a rosary in her hand, and glowing with splendour, bright as burnished gold."

In Tibet it has been used from time immemorial, and among all the millions in the East that adhere to the Buddhist faith. The following, from Sir John F. Davis, will show how it is employed in China: "From the Tartar religion of the Lamas, the rosary of 108 beads has become a part of the ceremonial dress attached to the nine grades of official rank.

"It consists of a necklace of stones and coral, nearly as large as a pigeon's egg, descending to the waist, and distinguished by various beads, according to the quality of the wearer. There is a small rosary of eighteen beads, of inferior size, with which the bonzes count their prayers and ejaculations exactly as in the Romish ritual.

"The laity in China sometimes wear this at the wrist, perfumed with musk, and give it the name of Heang-choo, or fragrant beads."

In Asiatic Greece the rosary was commonly used, as may be seen from the image of the Ephesian Diana. In Pagan Rome the same appears to have been the case.

The necklaces which the Roman ladies wore were not merely ornamental bands about the neck, but hung down the breast, just as the modern rosaries do; and the name by which they were called indicates the use to which they were applied.

"Monile," the ordinary word for a necklace, can have no other meaning than that of a "Remembrancer." Now, whatever might be the pretence, in the first instance, for the introduction of such "Rosaries" or "Remembrancers," the very idea of such a thing is thoroughly Pagan.

* It supposes that a certain number of prayers must be regularly gone over; it overlooks the grand demand which God makes for the heart, and leads those who use them to believe that form and routine are everything, and that "they must be heard for their much speaking."

* "Rosary" itself seems to be from the Chaldee "Ro," "thought," and "Shareh," "director."

In the Church of Rome a new kind of devotion has of late been largely introduced, in which the beads play an important part, and which shows what new and additional strides in the direction of the old Babylonian Paganism the Papacy every day is steadily making.

I refer to the "Rosary of the Sacred Heart." It is not very long since the worship of the "Sacred Heart" was first introduced; and now, everywhere it is the favourite worship.

It was so in ancient Babylon, as is evident from the Babylonian system as it appeared in Egypt. There also a "Sacred Heart" was venerated. The "Heart" was one of the sacred symbols of Osiris when he was born again, and appeared as Harpocrates, or the infant divinity, * borne in the arms of his mother Isis.

* The name Harpocrates, as shown by Bunsen, signifies "Horus, the child

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Ian
 
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December 25th used to be a pagan holiday. It was eventually decided at Nicea that that date would mark the date of Jesus' birth, which prior to that was disagreed on, though most assumed it was in the spring. The date of Easter is not static because it reflects moon phases and falls near the spring equinox, a long standing holiday marked by many wiccans and also the early Celts.

The point is -- so what? In modern times, Christianity has so trumped any pagan practice in most Western cultures that few would dream of having a solstice or equinox celebration. We have Christmas and Easter instead and for the most part, save a few die-hards, the solstice and equinox are only marked by people interested in astronomy or ancient history. For most Christians, 25th December is the date of a major Christian holiday. What is was in the past is irrelevant. What it is to some other faiths is irrelevant. For Christians, it has been made a symbol of the faith. It's the exact same thing with rosary beads. If you use them to celebrate a pagan ideal or pray to a pagan deity, they are pagan. If you use them to pray to God or as a touchstone of your Christian faith, they are Christian.
 
gin_koneko said:


First off, the date set to give account to events in the Live and death of Christ Jesus has nothing to do with the paganistic practices of the heathens or the relics they used to give homage to their little false gods. Jesus said to not do as the heathens do. Does that mean Jesus would approve of those Christians who, after his death, take up pagan practices and use them in conjunction with Judeo practices? :o

And Point being, gin_koneko, is this...
Rosary beads are "pagan relics" used by Catholics to pray , in part, to Mary. "Christ"-ians" do not pray to Mary, they pray to God the Father, through the Holy spirit of Christ Jesus living in them, Not through Mary's intercession. Nowhere in the bible does it say to ask the dead saints to intercede for us. So the use of a rosary is basically for pagan practices. Not "Christian".
If Catholics want to cling to paganistic practices that is their choice. I came out of the Catholic religion over 40 years ago for the very fact that they refuse to give up their paganistic practices and concentrate too much on praying to the many many saints they have in their religion, and for the fact that they use the rosary as a means of praying for penance in accordance to the amount of repititions given by some priest.

Where in the bible is there scripture that says we need to pray to Mary as a means of forgiveness for our sins after confession?

Mary is not A Christ as is defined in the term "Christ-ian". To be Christian is to follow "Christ", not look to Mary.
Christ Jesus did not pray to his mother Mary to intercede. He prayed to God the Father. As well, the apostle Paul prayed to God the Father through The Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus living IN him, Not Mary's spirit.
That is not to say that all of the prayers of the Catholic religion are in error. Some of them are excellent prayers. But many of them are not focused on God, but on the saints who are dead.
We are instructed to pray with each other, yes, but no where does it say for us to pray to the dead to intercede for us. We are to pray to God as Christ Holy Spirit lives IN us, not to anyone else.

Are you of those who participate in the interfaith churches that say all religions are acceptable into their congregation and they need not change their religion because they think all gods are the same God? If so, please do know this, Interfaith churches are a deception. Many people worshiping their own god(s) but not all accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Not all religions accept Christ Jesus as being the Son of God, nor do all of them accept The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit as being One. If you deny Christ Jesus, you deny the Father. Interfaith churches include a variety of religions. They are spiritualists and new agers. In the translated words of Jesus: Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. So this interfaith business some of these preachers are trying to push is a farce.


And in getting back to the topic of the rosary.....
Jesus taught us that when we pray we should pray as such:


Matthew 6: 7-13
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.



So where does it say to pray to use a rosary as a counter to pray 5 Hail Mary's 2 Our Fathers, and 1 Act of Contrition as dictated by some priest who sits behind some screen to listen to your confession? :o
Or where in the bible does it say to pray to St. Christopher, or St Francis, or any of the other dead saints as the Catholics pay tribute to by using the rosary or other medals and scrapulars, such as, the medal and/or scrapular of St Christopher for protection, or St. Francis for protection of your pets..... etc. ? :o I'll tell you, No where, that's where.

Jesus didn't teach us to pray with our focus on anyone other than God the Father. Jesus said HE is the ONLY way to the Father.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


We are to go the the Father through the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus living in us, Not some weird form of doctrine as dictated by some "religion" that says anything goes. :-?



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Question: who is praying to the dead?

Are you making an assumption that those 'saints' are not in Heaven?

If they are in heaven, then they are not 'dead' - rather they truly are a member of the sainthood that is for all believers.
 
aLoneVoice said:
Question: who is praying to the dead?

Are you making an assumption that those 'saints' are not in Heaven?

If they are in heaven, then they are not 'dead' - rather they truly are a member of the sainthood that is for all believers.
Where is praying to the saints in heaven mentioned in the Bible? Jesus' example of prayer is to the Father. Why would you undermine Jesus' teachings to convey teachings of man?
 
aLoneVoice said:
Question: who is praying to the dead?

Are you making an assumption that those 'saints' are not in Heaven?

If they are in heaven, then they are not 'dead' - rather they truly are a member of the sainthood that is for all believers.
This in itself begs another question to be asked:

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

The question is; do we believers face the Judgement seat of Christ one at a time, as we die, or is there a general resurrection/harpazo for believers in a future End Time?

I ask because if the former is true, then praying to anyone in Heaven other than the One who has been appointed as Mediator, circumvents what the Bible taught concerning this.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

If the latter is true, than we are indeed praying to the dead. Either way, it s lose/lose scenario.


Just food for thought; I don't want to disrupt the topic.
 
I'll try and touch on a few things posted.
Orgin of Rosary Beads comes from an old Hindu Snake cult rite with beads.

Actually, it descended form the early Desert Fathers use of prayer ropes in the 4th century to count the Psalms. This evolved into beads used to count prayers of 150 Our Fathers, which evolved into what is today known as the Rosary. It is a Christocentric Prayer used to meditate on the life of Christ.

Matthew 6: 7-13
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them:

And I will say amen brother. Catholics totally agree with this verse. That is why we do not pray VAIN repetitious prayers. Christ himself had no problem with repetitious prayer.

Matther 26:44
44 And He left them again, and went away and prayed a third time, saying the same thing once more.

Praying the same thing three times. So obviously there is a difference in repetitious and vain repetitious. Vain repetitious prayers are those heaped together in the hopes that God will hear you because of sheer number and doing for prideful reasons such as praying like the pagans did to prove themselves better than other pagans just because they could say more prayers.

I have to do some school work, but I hope to continue this healthy discussion with you all later.

I came out of the Catholic religion over 40 years ago

Relic, I will keep you in my prayers. Please keep me in yours.

Your Brother in Christ,
AJ
 
For witches, the use of the rosary prayer beads can add a certain tactile element, not often found in most chanted prayers. There is a long history of its use in pagan cultures and even in witchcraft. In South Italy, witches have long used prayer beads to break spell and heal impotency.

http://www.pathcom.com/~newmoon/1arose.html
 
Hello Little Angel.
Well, this is the Christianity & Other Religions forum and witchcraft is another religion.....I was pointing out that witches also use rosary beads....

Is witchcraft anymore demonic than JW, MORMONS, HINDUISM, ISLAM, BUDDAISM, etc, etc?....NO....The fact of the matter is this......

There is not a single religion in all the world that is of God.....

Oh some folk will say that Christianity is a religion, but the fact is this....

A Christian is a person who has a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and submits to Jesus Lordship.....Christians (PLURAL) are people who have a relationship with Jesus.....

So posting up a link on witchcraft is no different than posting up links on different religions / sects....

Look at the context....Am I promoting witchcraft? NO....I am pointing out that the religious act of praying the rosary is the same thing they do in witchcraft.........
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
jgredline!

Why are you posting a link to a site on witchcraft?!? :x
Let me clarify a bit; he quoted from the site and the ToS states that a member is obligated to provide sources for quotes whenever possible. 8-)
 
ToS

2 - No pornography links or photos. No vulgar sexual remarks. No foul language or symbols to suggest such remarks. This is a Christian site, plus, there may be young ones on the board.

:-D
 
*edit by Gabbylittleangel*

Vic,

Good to know that the little ones that may be on the board are thought of...

kind of why I am thinking the witch link is not a good idea.
 
For witches, the use of the rosary prayer beads can add a certain tactile element, not often found in most chanted prayers. There is a long history of its use in pagan cultures and even in witchcraft. In South Italy, witches have long used prayer beads to break spell and heal impotency.

Look at the context....Am I promoting witchcraft? NO....I am pointing out that the religious act of praying the rosary is the same thing they do in witchcraft.........


Ok, so witches use the rosary, so obviously :lol: Catholics are doing the same thing when they use the rosary. I could turn this around. The devil quotes scripture so by using scripture does that make all who use scripture the devil? Ku Klux Klan members use crosses so does that make all who use crosses Klu Klux Klan members?

Your trying to imply that just because witches uses rosaries for the own paganistic practices that Catholics are to is a fallacious argument. Catholics use the rosary as a christocentric set of meditations to allow ourselves to meditate on the life of our Lord Jesus Christ. As I stated before:

Actually, it descended form the early Desert Fathers use of prayer ropes in the 4th century to count the Psalms. This evolved into beads used to count prayers of 150 Our Fathers, which evolved into what is today known as the Rosary.
 
jgredline said:
Is witchcraft anymore demonic than JW, MORMONS, HINDUISM, ISLAM, BUDDAISM, etc, etc?....NO...........

JG,

I am not well versed in JW's, Mormons, Hinduism, Islam, or Buddhist. I am aware that they are all anti-christian. They do not trust in Jesus Christ, and ultimately, unless they repent, are lost. Just like witches.

Are witches more demonic?

To the best of my knowledge, the above mentioned cults do not hold animal sacrifices with the neighborhood families pets and livestock. They do not have human sacrifices. They do not include rape as part of their religious rituals. Nor do they eat human blood, or human waste. To the best of my knowledge the above listed cults do not drug innocent victims. They do not knowingly conjure up demons, cast spells, hexes, incantations, voodoo, and while all of the above may practice some sort of mind control, I tend to think that the activities of cults is a long stretch from the things that are practiced in the occult.

No doubt, any witch that happens on this post will argue that they don't do any of those things. Some witches don't.

My concern with providing a link to a witches web site comes from being a victim of SRA. Those who get involved in it have no idea what they have gotten into until it is too late. The practices are addictive. Those who dabble in such things are soon in the grips of demonic things that they can not get themselves out of. Clicking on to an occult link out of curiousity can get claws into the mind of someone in just the same way clicking onto a porn link can. Dabbling in witchcraft can be just as harmful as trying a drug just to see what it is like.

Witchcraft anymore demonic than the cults that you listed, in the same way that crack cocaine is more addictive than iced tea. To provide a link in your post, is equivalent to posting something of the practices of a crack addict, then providing a link to a crack house.
 
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