The Two Natures That Co-Exist In A Spirit-Filled Christian

[alaric]

Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow. Before the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone is living in the flesh and dead spiritually. Therefore, there is only one nature which man lived by which is the flesh. Man not knowing that they are sinful and can never please God, tried to perform good works to earn God's favor. Therefore God gave the Law and said: "Anyone who desire earn my favor and enter heaven must obey the Law without breaking any of the commandments."

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:3 If anyone wants to be righteous through the law, they have to obey the entire law

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature. It is liken to God saying to a dead corpse "If you want to live, then show me that you can breathe." But it is impossible for a dead corpse to breathe.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature. If you know the flesh, you will know that it is capable of performing good works and evil desires. In the non-Christian community, do we not see people who contributed much to the society and others? However, God compare all the rightouseness of sinful man as filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The other nature of a Christian is the nature the Holy Spirit that is God's nature which cannot sin. These two different nature within a Christian is constantly at war. Therefore Paul wrote that he discipline his body and bring it into subjection.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

How to know stop operating in the flesh?

Step 1: Stop focusing on the Law and do not be sin conscious. Remember that God did not gave the Law for anyone to follow but rather to make all sinners aware that of their sinful nature and cannot save themselves by their own human effort or good works. If you continue to focus on the Law, you will strengthen the flesh to perform and more sins will be committed.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Step 2: Live in freedom from the Law and act according to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If you believe that God cannot sin, what made you think you will commit sin when you are flowing with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.

 

[for_his_glory]

We do have two natures. One is flesh nature of where we sin within the flesh as flesh is a filthy rag to God and then there is a Spiritual nature in us by being Spiritually born-again, John 3:3-7, that can not sin. The flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of God as it is our Spiritual inner man by the rebirth that inherits the kingdom of God. This is why we must die daily to the flesh so when Christ returns and separates the wheat from the tares, or the sheep from the goats we who are wheat, and or sheep that hear His voice will be with God in his kingdom for ever and those who are among the tares, and or goats will be cast into the lake of fire to be with Satan, the beast and the false prophets forever.

1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15: (read the whole chapter)
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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[hawkman]

Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow.

As Christians we do have law to follow , but where is it at ? It is written in our hearts and minds .

Hebrews 10:16 Context​

13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.

Where does it say Christians are not to be conscious of The Law and sin ? Scripture , please .

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow. Before the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone is living in the flesh and dead spiritually. Therefore, there is only one nature which man lived by which is the flesh. Man not knowing that they are sinful and can never please God, tried to perform good works to earn God's favor. Therefore God gave the Law and said: "Anyone who desire earn my favor and enter heaven must obey the Law without breaking any of the commandments."

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:3 If anyone wants to be righteous through the law, they have to obey the entire law

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature. It is liken to God saying to a dead corpse "If you want to live, then show me that you can breathe." But it is impossible for a dead corpse to breathe.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature. If you know the flesh, you will know that it is capable of performing good works and evil desires. In the non-Christian community, do we not see people who contributed much to the society and others? However, God compare all the rightouseness of sinful man as filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The other nature of a Christian is the nature the Holy Spirit that is God's nature which cannot sin. These two different nature within a Christian is constantly at war. Therefore Paul wrote that he discipline his body and bring it into subjection.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

How to know stop operating in the flesh?

Step 1: Stop focusing on the Law and do not be sin conscious. Remember that God did not gave the Law for anyone to follow but rather to make all sinners aware that of their sinful nature and cannot save themselves by their own human effort or good works. If you continue to focus on the Law, you will strengthen the flesh to perform and more sins will be committed.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Step 2: Live in freedom from the Law and act according to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If you believe that God cannot sin, what made you think you will commit sin when you are flowing with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.

There were many true, Old Testament believers having faith and hope in the future Messiah as the way to God's acceptance (Isaiah 53; Hebrews 11).

What do you think about all the New Testament commands or laws calling believers to replace their old-nature qualities with new-nature characteristics (for example, Colossians 3 and 4; Galatians 5 and 6; Romans 12-16; Hebrews 12 and 13; 1 Thessalonians 5; and many others--all following statements describing what Jesus' death and resurrection did for us once and for all)?

 

[live2blieve]

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-36)

The Savior said very clearly that those who shall know the truth will be free from sin, i.e. won't commit sin. Apparently, these corrupt bodies can be freed from the sin nature, because Christ will replace it. Therefore, if a believer is born again (and not all who believe are born again), he or she has only one nature:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthiand 5:17).

 

[Hopeful 2]

Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow. Before the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone is living in the flesh and dead spiritually. Therefore, there is only one nature which man lived by which is the flesh. Man not knowing that they are sinful and can never please God, tried to perform good works to earn God's favor. Therefore God gave the Law and said: "Anyone who desire earn my favor and enter heaven must obey the Law without breaking any of the commandments."

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:3 If anyone wants to be righteous through the law, they have to obey the entire law

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature. It is liken to God saying to a dead corpse "If you want to live, then show me that you can breathe." But it is impossible for a dead corpse to breathe.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature. If you know the flesh, you will know that it is capable of performing good works and evil desires. In the non-Christian community, do we not see people who contributed much to the society and others? However, God compare all the rightouseness of sinful man as filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The other nature of a Christian is the nature the Holy Spirit that is God's nature which cannot sin. These two different nature within a Christian is constantly at war. Therefore Paul wrote that he discipline his body and bring it into subjection.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

How to know stop operating in the flesh?

Step 1: Stop focusing on the Law and do not be sin conscious. Remember that God did not gave the Law for anyone to follow but rather to make all sinners aware that of their sinful nature and cannot save themselves by their own human effort or good works. If you continue to focus on the Law, you will strengthen the flesh to perform and more sins will be committed.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Step 2: Live in freedom from the Law and act according to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If you believe that God cannot sin, what made you think you will commit sin when you are flowing with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.

Ever read Gal 5:24 ?
"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
They that are Christ's have no "fleshly" nature.
Ever read 2 Cor 5:17 ?
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
The "fleshly" nature of the unregenerated, is one of the old things that passed away.
Thanks be to God !

 

[Rodger]

Most Christians have this wrong understanding and believed that God gave the Law for us to follow. Before the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone is living in the flesh and dead spiritually. Therefore, there is only one nature which man lived by which is the flesh. Man not knowing that they are sinful and can never please God, tried to perform good works to earn God's favor. Therefore God gave the Law and said: "Anyone who desire earn my favor and enter heaven must obey the Law without breaking any of the commandments."

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Galatians 5:3 If anyone wants to be righteous through the law, they have to obey the entire law

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature. It is liken to God saying to a dead corpse "If you want to live, then show me that you can breathe." But it is impossible for a dead corpse to breathe.

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, everyone who accepted Jesus is born again, filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and made alive spiritually. At this point, a Christian has two natures. The nature of the sinful flesh that is the old man and nature of the Holy Spirit that is God's nature. If you know the flesh, you will know that it is capable of performing good works and evil desires. In the non-Christian community, do we not see people who contributed much to the society and others? However, God compare all the rightouseness of sinful man as filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The other nature of a Christian is the nature the Holy Spirit that is God's nature which cannot sin. These two different nature within a Christian is constantly at war. Therefore Paul wrote that he discipline his body and bring it into subjection.

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

How to know stop operating in the flesh?

Step 1: Stop focusing on the Law and do not be sin conscious. Remember that God did not gave the Law for anyone to follow but rather to make all sinners aware that of their sinful nature and cannot save themselves by their own human effort or good works. If you continue to focus on the Law, you will strengthen the flesh to perform and more sins will be committed.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Step 2: Live in freedom from the Law and act according to the prompting of the Holy Spirit. If you believe that God cannot sin, what made you think you will commit sin when you are flowing with the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Anyone who is alive will naturally breathe without being told to do so. Therefore if a Christian flows with the spirit, they live out the nature of God which is free from the Law and Sin. Therefore, I believe this is the reason why God do not want Christians to be conscious of the Law and Sin. A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it.

You said...........
"A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it".

I can not agree with that and I would ask you for any Scriptures to validate that but there is no need to ask because there are none.

We have and live our lives with TWO Natures.

1. Sin Nature or as some say....the Flesh and some say the Old Man.
2. God Nature/Christ/ New Nature.

Now, it does not matter one little bit that we try and convince ourselves that because we accepted Christ we have then conquered that Old Sin Nature.

WRONG! At the moment of conversion, the Christian receives a new nature., Yes that is true. It is instantaneous. That act is called "Justification" which means, declared Not Guilty.

Then the process of Sanctification begins, and it is the process by which God develops our new nature, enabling us to grow into more holiness through time. This is a continuous process with many victories and defeats as the new nature battles with the “tent” in which it resides—the old man, old nature, flesh.

The Old Sin Nature is never eradicated. It stays with us till the day we die.

Now, with all due respect to any and all reading this, may I say that anyone who believes that they do not have a sin nature after being saved, have not read the Bible.

I say that because In Romans 7, Paul, after being saved, and is now an Apostle clearly and in simple to understand language explains the battle that rages continually in even the most spiritually mature people. He laments that he does what he doesn’t want to do and, in fact, does the evil he detests. He says that is the result of “sin living in me” (Romans 7:20).

He says to us that he delights in God’s law according to his “inner being,” (New Nature) but he sees another law at work in “the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members” (v. 23). Here is the classic example of the two entities, whatever terms they may carry. The point is that the battle is real, and it is one Christians will wage throughout their lives.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

You said...........
"A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it".

I can not agree with that and I would ask you for any Scriptures to validate that but there is no need to ask because there are none.

We have and live our lives with TWO Natures.

1. Sin Nature or as some say....the Flesh and some say the Old Man.
2. God Nature/Christ/ New Nature.

Now, it does not matter one little bit that we try and convince ourselves that because we accepted Christ we have then conquered that Old Sin Nature.

WRONG! At the moment of conversion, the Christian receives a new nature., Yes that is true. It is instantaneous. That act is called "Justification" which means, declared Not Guilty.

Then the process of Sanctification begins, and it is the process by which God develops our new nature, enabling us to grow into more holiness through time. This is a continuous process with many victories and defeats as the new nature battles with the “tent” in which it resides—the old man, old nature, flesh.

The Old Sin Nature is never eradicated. It stays with us till the day we die.

Now, with all due respect to any and all reading this, may I say that anyone who believes that they do not have a sin nature after being saved, have not read the Bible.

I say that because In Romans 7, Paul, after being saved, and is now an Apostle clearly and in simple to understand language explains the battle that rages continually in even the most spiritually mature people. He laments that he does what he doesn’t want to do and, in fact, does the evil he detests. He says that is the result of “sin living in me” (Romans 7:20).

He says to us that he delights in God’s law according to his “inner being,” (New Nature) but he sees another law at work in “the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members” (v. 23). Here is the classic example of the two entities, whatever terms they may carry. The point is that the battle is real, and it is one Christians will wage throughout their lives.

I agree with everything you said except for your description of progressive sanctification. Certainly, every step of faith that we take adds to our spiritual maturity, but nothing we do makes the old man less sinful or the new man more holy. The flesh is always corrupt and it's desires are always in adversarial opposition to those of the Spirit. The steps we must take to deny the flesh what it wants are always the same and never change, and as often as we walk in the Spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

 

[Rodger]

I agree with everything you said except for your description of progressive sanctification. Certainly, every step of faith that we take adds to our spiritual maturity, but nothing we do makes the old man less sinful or the new man more holy. The flesh is always corrupt and it's desires are always in adversarial opposition to those of the Spirit. The steps we must take to deny the flesh what it wants are always the same and never change, and as often as we walk in the Spirit we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Hello my friend. I am not sure how you could disagree but, the word translated “sanctification” in most Bibles means “separation.” It is used in the New Testament, according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, of the separation of the believer from evil, and it is the result of obedience to the Word of God.

Justification is a one-time work of God, resulting in a declaration of “not guilty” before Him because of the work of Christ on the cross. Sanctification is a process, beginning with justification and continuing throughout life. Justification is the starting point of the line that represents one’s Christian life; sanctification is the line itself.

You see, when we get saved, we do not automatically then know everything we should know. We have to learn, study, read the Bible, listen to those who have walked before us so that we in time can understand how we can be of service to God.

Progressive sanctification then is what gradually separates the people of God from the world and makes them more and more like Jesus Christ. If you disagree with that I would be interested in knowing what your explanation is.

 

[Hopeful 2]

You said...........
"A born again Christian who is filled with the Holy Spirit will naturally obey the Law without effort or mindful of not breaking it".

I can not agree with that and I would ask you for any Scriptures to validate that but there is no need to ask because there are none.
We have and live our lives with TWO Natures.
1. Sin Nature or as some say....the Flesh and some say the Old Man.
2. God Nature/Christ/ New Nature.

The only part of a "sin nature" that I retained after the destruction of the old man, (Rom 6:6), was the memory of it.

Now, it does not matter one little bit that we try and convince ourselves that because we accepted Christ we have then conquered that Old Sin Nature.

Correct, as it requires baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and its destruction of the old man, to accomplish it. (Rom 6:6, Gal 5:24))

WRONG! At the moment of conversion, the Christian receives a new nature., Yes that is true. It is instantaneous. That act is called "Justification" which means, declared Not Guilty.

I guess you will have to define "conversion".

Then the process of Sanctification begins, and it is the process by which God develops our new nature, enabling us to grow into more holiness through time. This is a continuous process with many victories and defeats as the new nature battles with the “tent” in which it resides—the old man, old nature, flesh.

The Old Sin Nature is never eradicated. It stays with us till the day we die.

Thank God that occurs at our "immersion" into Christ, and His death, burial, and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-7)

Now, with all due respect to any and all reading this, may I say that anyone who believes that they do not have a sin nature after being saved, have not read the Bible.
I say that because In Romans 7, Paul, after being saved, and is now an Apostle clearly and in simple to understand language explains the battle that rages continually in even the most spiritually mature people. He laments that he does what he doesn’t want to do and, in fact, does the evil he detests. He says that is the result of “sin living in me” (Romans 7:20).

Paul's Rom. 7 laments were a narrative of his previous life whole still in the flesh, and unsuccessfully trying to please God by keeping the Law.
Rom 7:23's lament was answered in Rom 8.
Rom 7:24's lament was answered in Rom 6:6.
Because the laments were from his past.

He says to us that he delights in God’s law according to his “inner being,” (New Nature) but he sees another law at work in “the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members” (v. 23). Here is the classic example of the two entities, whatever terms they may carry. The point is that the battle is real, and it is one Christians will wage throughout their lives.

Rom 7:23..."But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."
Answered in...
Rom 8:2..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
Most of Rom 7. is the story of a Pharisee who was still walking in the "flesh".

 

[Rodger]

The only part of a "sin nature" that I retained after the destruction of the old man, (Rom 6:6), was the memory of it.

Correct, as it requires baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and its destruction of the old man, to accomplish it. (Rom 6:6, Gal 5:24))

I guess you will have to define "conversion".

Thank God that occurs at our "immersion" into Christ, and His death, burial, and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-7)

Paul's Rom. 7 laments were a narrative of his previous life whole still in the flesh, and unsuccessfully trying to please God by keeping the Law.
Rom 7:23's lament was answered in Rom 8.
Rom 7:24's lament was answered in Rom 6:6.
Because the laments were from his past.

Rom 7:23..."But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."
Answered in...
Rom 8:2..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
Most of Rom 7. is the story of a Pharisee who was still walking in the "flesh".

Oh my!
#1. The sin nature never goes away my dear friend. It can not be eradicated. Then may I also say that I have never met someone before that has had there sinful nature eradicated! Must be great... I didn't received that gift at salvation. I certainly received the gift of righteousness and God's precious Holy Spirit, but alas, I, am just like the apostle Paul, and I still find that in me (that is, in my fleshly nature), dwells no good thing.

One question for you though... Does your wife (if you have one) think that your sinful nature is eradicated? Can I speak to her for about 3 minutes?

Ok, seriously... I'm being naughty and you'll have to forgive me as you sounded like a nice guy from your post. It's just that what you are saying is just not possible! And on top of that, it does not square up with the teaching of the Bible or the experience of born again believers.

It must be noted that the Apostle Paul wrote Romans 7 after he was saved and he said that it was sin that ruled in him and he was the chief of all sinners!. I mean no disrespect but I suggest you do a little more study on this topic.

#2. To believe that water baptism is an essential to salvation means that you are placing as much faith in water as you are in the blood of God! Again.....I encourage you to do so mory study on this topic as well.

Now allow me to ask you a simple question. Since you said water baptism is needed to be saved.....
How did the thief on the cross go to heaven?
Since you believe water baptism is required to be saved, you then are also saying that there is no such thing as a death bed conversion!

#3. Correct.
A. Justification = declared not guility.
B. Sanctification=the process of being set apart begins at the moment of accepting Christ.
C. Glorification. = the promise of heaven with a glorified body that has no sin nature.
#4. With all due respect, that is incorrect. You have been taught some wrong stuff brother.
There is NO Greek grammar that indicates that Paul was not saved when he wrote Romans 7.
The passage was written after his conversion, and there is no indication whatsoever that Paul was speaking in the past tense.

Now please take the time to think and consider this, I and you should not accept that a sinner, who is dead in sin, delights in God's law. It is simply not a possibility to me. It must be a description of a regenerate believer.

As Paul is using "I," it must be a description of a mature spiritual believer. In fact, I think the closer a person gets to God, the more their life is described by Romans 7:14-25. ....
Nothing better describes a genuine, sincere and holy child of God living in the world and in the body than these verses.

 

[JLB]

But God's true intention for giving the Law is to show man that they cannot keep his law because of their sinful nature.

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
Genesis 26:4-5

• because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.

Do you understand why Abraham could obey God’s laws and commandments?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Oh my!
#1. The sin nature never goes away my dear friend. It can not be eradicated.

Were that the case, then those who have been reborn of God's seed, and a sin nature, attest that God's fruit is unholy.
That is not the case though, thanks be to God.

Then may I also say that I have never met someone before that has had there sinful nature eradicated! Must be great.

It most certainly is !

I didn't received that gift at salvation. I certainly received the gift of righteousness and God's precious Holy Spirit, but alas, I, am just like the apostle Paul, and I still find that in me (that is, in my fleshly nature), dwells no good thing.

Like Paul, the law of sin and death that once was in me, has been done away with by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:2)

One question for you though... Does your wife (if you have one) think that your sinful nature is eradicated? Can I speak to her for about 3 minutes?

I am not married.

Ok, seriously... I'm being naughty and you'll have to forgive me as you sounded like a nice guy from your post. It's just that what you are saying is just not possible! And on top of that, it does not square up with the teaching of the Bible or the experience of born again believers.

If the "born again believers" are still committing sin, they don't agree with the bible.
1 John 3:9 says..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

It must be noted that the Apostle Paul wrote Romans 7 after he was saved and he said that it was sin that ruled in him and he was the chief of all sinners!. I mean no disrespect but I suggest you do a little more study on this topic.

He did write Rom. 7 after he was saved, but Rom. 7 is mostly his recollection of life still in the flesh and unsuccessfully trying to live up to the Mosaic Law.

#2. To believe that water baptism is an essential to salvation means that you are placing as much faith in water as you are in the blood of God! Again.....I encourage you to do so mory study on this topic as well.

Without water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, I would still be carrying my past sins with me. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
Without baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, I would still be the "old man". (Rom 6:6)

Now allow me to ask you a simple question. Since you said water baptism is needed to be saved.....
How did the thief on the cross go to heaven?

Jesus said he would, and I have no reason to doubt Jesus.
From my perspective, the thief experienced physically what new converts experience spiritually, at our baptism.
We are crucified with Christ, as was the thief. (Rom 6:3, Gal 5:24)
We are buried with Jesus, as was the thief. (Rom 6:3-5, Col 2:12)
We are raised from the grave by the Lord at His resurrection, as the thief was also to experienced (Rom 6: , Col 2:12-13)

Since you believe water baptism is required to be saved, you then are also saying that there is no such thing as a death bed conversion!

I am.

#3. Correct.
A. Justification = declared not guility.
B. Sanctification=the process of being set apart begins at the moment of accepting Christ.
C. Glorification. = the promise of heaven with a glorified body that has no sin nature.
#4. With all due respect, that is incorrect. You have been taught some wrong stuff brother.
There is NO Greek grammar that indicates that Paul was not saved when he wrote Romans 7.
The passage was written after his conversion, and there is no indication whatsoever that Paul was speaking in the past tense.

Now please take the time to think and consider this, I and you should not accept that a sinner, who is dead in sin, delights in God's law. It is simply not a possibility to me. It must be a description of a regenerate believer.

That is a perfect description of Paul's Rom. 7 plait, and true
Until he could put off the flesh, and started to walk in the Spirit, he remained dead in sin.
And subject to his sin nature.
At his conversion, however, he was able to undergo the circumcision done without hands, (Col 2:11), and start walking in the Spirit.
Those walking in the Spirit, have God's nature.
We are new creatures !

As Paul is using "I," it must be a description of a mature spiritual believer. In fact, I think the closer a person gets to God, the more their life is described by Romans 7:14-25. ....
Nothing better describes a genuine, sincere and holy child of God living in the world and in the body than these verses.

"Sincere holy child of God" and "living in the world and in the body" is an oxymoron.
The children of God are in the world, but not of it. (Rom 12:2)

I wish you could know this verse..."Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:4)
I wish you could know this verse too..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
Do you know where we "suffered in the flesh with Christ" happens ?
At our "immersion" into Christ's death...at baptism.

 

[NewLifeInChrist]

Hello my friend. I am not sure how you could disagree but, the word translated “sanctification” in most Bibles means “separation.” It is used in the New Testament, according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, of the separation of the believer from evil, and it is the result of obedience to the Word of God.

Justification is a one-time work of God, resulting in a declaration of “not guilty” before Him because of the work of Christ on the cross. Sanctification is a process, beginning with justification and continuing throughout life. Justification is the starting point of the line that represents one’s Christian life; sanctification is the line itself.

You see, when we get saved, we do not automatically then know everything we should know. We have to learn, study, read the Bible, listen to those who have walked before us so that we in time can understand how we can be of service to God.

Progressive sanctification then is what gradually separates the people of God from the world and makes them more and more like Jesus Christ. If you disagree with that I would be interested in knowing what your explanation is.

Sanctification means “holiness, i.e., dedication to the Lord, and/or dedication to moral purity.” [Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains] In the New Testament, the meaning of sanctification is anchored by its use in the Old Testament. There, it is used most basically to describe objects, animals or people that have been culled out and often segregated from a larger group of similar items, physically cleaned up, sometimes ceremonially cleaned up (by the sprinkling of the blood of an animal sacrifice), and dedicated wholly for service to God.

In the New Testament, when the word applies to man, sanctification is used in two contexts—sanctification by God and self-sanctification. Both uses carry much the same meaning as the word does in the Old Testament. In neither context do we find the concept of progressivity (we can discuss this in more detail if you like).

God’s sanctification of us is a one-time event in which God cleanses us of all transgressions by the blood of Jesus Christ and exercises His power of creation to create in us new spiritual lives that are truly holy and righteous (1 Cor. 6:11; 1 Thess. 5:23; Heb. 2:11; 10:10, 14). These new lives are sanctified thoroughly and completely, and they fit us for full-time service to God. There is no need to further clean them over time, because they are not stained by sin (1 John 3:9), and they are impervious to it (1 John 5:18).

Self-sanctification (2 Tim. 2:21; 1 Peter 3:15; Rom. 6:11, 13) is God’s calling for us to consider and act according to the truth that God Himself has sanctified us. We should consider ourselves set apart, culled us out, cleansed of our sins by the blood of Jesus, made one with Him by new life in Christ, and called into full-time service to Him. And we should present ourselves to God as such every day.

 

[Rodger]

Sanctification means “holiness, i.e., dedication to the Lord, and/or dedication to moral purity.” [Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains] In the New Testament, the meaning of sanctification is anchored by its use in the Old Testament. There, it is used most basically to describe objects, animals or people that have been culled out and often segregated from a larger group of similar items, physically cleaned up, sometimes ceremonially cleaned up (by the sprinkling of the blood of an animal sacrifice), and dedicated wholly for service to God.

In the New Testament, when the word applies to man, sanctification is used in two contexts—sanctification by God and self-sanctification. Both uses carry much the same meaning as the word does in the Old Testament. In neither context do we find the concept of progressivity (we can discuss this in more detail if you like).

God’s sanctification of us is a one-time event in which God cleanses us of all transgressions by the blood of Jesus Christ and exercises His power of creation to create in us new spiritual lives that are truly holy and righteous (1 Cor. 6:11; 1 Thess. 5:23; Heb. 2:11; 10:10, 14). These new lives are sanctified thoroughly and completely, and they fit us for full-time service to God. There is no need to further clean them over time, because they are not stained by sin (1 John 3:9), and they are impervious to it (1 John 5:18).

Self-sanctification (2 Tim. 2:21; 1 Peter 3:15; Rom. 6:11, 13) is God’s calling for us to consider and act according to the truth that God Himself has sanctified us. We should consider ourselves set apart, culled us out, cleansed of our sins by the blood of Jesus, made one with Him by new life in Christ, and called into full-time service to Him. And we should present ourselves to God as such every day.

I would like to know what your "sources" are for your post.

I have NO desire to argue or belabor the fact that your information is incorrect and is not Biblical.

Sanctify/Sanctification, basically means “to make holy or to set apart for God's use”.
There’s a whole cluster of words in this linguistic family: holy, holiness, sanctity, sanctification.

But often however, it seems to me that the words “sanctify” and “sanctification” are dug up from their native soil of Old and New Testaments and replanted in a strange kind of spiritualized moralism that focuses on what we do.

Now you said that there is something called "self sanctification". NO sir, Biblically there is NO such thing.

Now then, YES..... the OT occasionally talks about “consecrating ourselves” or “sanctifying ourselves.”

My dear friend, Self-sanctification, that is, somehow generating holiness by one’s own efforts, is an impossibility.

We can no more self-sanctify than we can self-deify. When God called Israel to “be holy,” he spoke to a people he had already declared holy (Lev. 19:2; Exod. 19:6).

 

[Rodger]

Were that the case, then those who have been reborn of God's seed, and a sin nature, attest that God's fruit is unholy.
That is not the case though, thanks be to God.

It most certainly is !

Like Paul, the law of sin and death that once was in me, has been done away with by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:2)

I am not married.

If the "born again believers" are still committing sin, they don't agree with the bible.
1 John 3:9 says..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

He did write Rom. 7 after he was saved, but Rom. 7 is mostly his recollection of life still in the flesh and unsuccessfully trying to live up to the Mosaic Law.

Without water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, I would still be carrying my past sins with me. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
Without baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, I would still be the "old man". (Rom 6:6)

Jesus said he would, and I have no reason to doubt Jesus.
From my perspective, the thief experienced physically what new converts experience spiritually, at our baptism.
We are crucified with Christ, as was the thief. (Rom 6:3, Gal 5:24)
We are buried with Jesus, as was the thief. (Rom 6:3-5, Col 2:12)
We are raised from the grave by the Lord at His resurrection, as the thief was also to experienced (Rom 6: , Col 2:12-13)

I am.

That is a perfect description of Paul's Rom. 7 plait, and true
Until he could put off the flesh, and started to walk in the Spirit, he remained dead in sin.
And subject to his sin nature.
At his conversion, however, he was able to undergo the circumcision done without hands, (Col 2:11), and start walking in the Spirit.
Those walking in the Spirit, have God's nature.
We are new creatures !

"Sincere holy child of God" and "living in the world and in the body" is an oxymoron.
The children of God are in the world, but not of it. (Rom 12:2)

I wish you could know this verse..."Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:4)
I wish you could know this verse too..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
Do you know where we "suffered in the flesh with Christ" happens ?
At our "immersion" into Christ's death...at baptism.

1 Peter 4:1 literally means.........the born again believer has effectively broken with a life dominated by sin. It need not mean that he no longer commits any act of sin, but that his old life, dominated by the power of sin, has been terminated. He is now a New Creature when he ia able to make the right choices in life.

I pray that you will forgive me for saying this, but your posts have a somewhat unbiblical ring to it, seemingly more in line with concepts found in eastern religious thought and the like, or in various cultic and heretical groups.

It also may be that you have been educated in the Charismatic Pentecostal denomination which by the way...I was as well.

If we follow your idea to the end of its rope, you will ultimately get to the point where Christians become god, or gods, or something like that? This is exactly what the false teacher Benny Hinn taught and wrote. The fact is that kind of teaching is taking us in the direction of pantheism, Gnosticism, or New Age teaching, with the material world seen as evil, something that we must escape from or transcend?

So, that being said, to explain the Scripture you posted and wished that I knew something about lead us two main questions that must be asked here:........
1). “In what sense do Christians become ‘divine’?”
2). “When do Christians become partakers of divine nature?”

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:31-36)

The Savior said very clearly that those who shall know the truth will be free from sin, i.e. won't commit sin. Apparently, these corrupt bodies can be freed from the sin nature, because Christ will replace it. Therefore, if a believer is born again (and not all who believe are born again), he or she has only one nature:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Corinthiand 5:17).

John 8:31-36 says that we will no longer be SLAVES to sin and Satan when we have the new birth ("servant of sin"), not that we will no longer do or think any sins. As Paul says in Romans 7 about his own struggles against sin, he hates sin and doesn't want to do it, but he does it anyway. Why do you think that Jesus tells us to pray for forgiveness in the Lord's Prayer?

When we believe, Jesus' death takes away from us the Father our Judges's guilty verdict and replaces it with Jesus' not guilty verdict (justifies us).

However, sin still remains in us and must be cleansed away with Jesus' resurrection power. That's the lifelong process of sanctification.

 

[Hopeful 2]

1 Peter 4:1 literally means.........the born again believer has effectively broken with a life dominated by sin. It need not mean that he no longer commits any act of sin, but that his old life, dominated by the power of sin, has been terminated. He is now a New Creature when he ia able to make the right choices in life.

And it produces a life of love, and void of sin.
Only a false repentance from sin can interfere with God's work in us.
If our life dominated by sin has been put in the past, what makes it come back ?

I pray that you will forgive me for saying this, but your posts have a somewhat unbiblical ring to it, seemingly more in line with concepts found in eastern religious thought and the like, or in various cultic and heretical groups.

If worshipping God so much that I obey Him seems unbiblical to you, I suggest you look at the OT patters of what happened to the disobedient.
I don't want to follow their lead.

It also may be that you have been educated in the Charismatic Pentecostal denomination which by the way...I was as well.

I have visited a couple of their churches, but they didn't want to talk about being free from sin.
Thus revealing their servitude to sin. (John 8:34)

If we follow your idea to the end of its rope, you will ultimately get to the point where Christians become god, or gods, or something like that?

Not that I know of.
We are to be emulating Jesus here and now.
It is written..."It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord." (Matt 10:25)
And..."He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:6)

This is exactly what the false teacher Benny Hinn taught and wrote. The fact is that kind of teaching is taking us in the direction of pantheism, Gnosticism, or New Age thing, with the material world seen as evil, something that we must escape from or transcend?

Do you know what all those groups have in common ?
They all still commit sin.
God's children serve God, and not sin.

So, that being said, to explain the Scripture you posted and wished that I knew something about lead us two main questions that must be asked here:........
1). “In what sense do Christians become ‘divine’?”

Using the "good, or, pleasing" definition, Christians become divine at their washing of past sins by the blood of Christ, at their baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
That baptism provides for our rebirth from the seed of God: a seed that cannot produce evil fruit...(liars, adulterers, murderers, thieves, etc)

2). “When do Christians become partakers of divine nature?”

At their baptism into Christ, wherein the old man is destroyed and a new creature is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
New creature, new nature !

 

[Rodger]

And it produces a life of love, and void of sin.
Only a false repentance from sin can interfere with God's work in us.
If our life dominated by sin has been put in the past, what makes it come back ?

If worshipping God so much that I obey Him seems unbiblical to you, I suggest you look at the OT patters of what happened to the disobedient.
I don't want to follow their lead.

I have visited a couple of their churches, but they didn't want to talk about being free from sin.
Thus revealing their servitude to sin. (John 8:34)

Not that I know of.
We are to be emulating Jesus here and now.
It is written..."It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord." (Matt 10:25)
And..."He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:6)

Do you know what all those groups have in common ?
They all still commit sin.
God's children serve God, and not sin.

Using the "good, or, pleasing" definition, Christians become divine at their washing of past sins by the blood of Christ, at their baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
That baptism provides for our rebirth from the seed of God: a seed that cannot produce evil fruit...(liars, adulterers, murderers, thieves, etc)

At their baptism into Christ, wherein the old man is destroyed and a new creature is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
New creature, new nature !

Everyone commits sin including you my friend.

You have been given some really bad teaching.

The sin nature is that aspect in man that makes him rebellious against God.
The flesh-and-blood existence we lead on this earth is shaped by our sinful, corrupt nature.
Scorce....The Bible Exposition Commentary: New Testament, Vol. 2 (Colorado Springs, Col., Victor Publishing, 2001), 18.

Wherever people are, there is trouble. Charles Spurgeon said, .........“As the salt flavors every drop in the Atlantic, so does sin affect every atom of our nature. It is so sadly there, so abundantly there, that if you cannot detect it, you are deceived.”

Paul admits that “the trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin” in (Romans 7:14). ​

​

Paul was in his “sinful nature a slave to the law of sin” in Romans 7:25.​

​

The sin nature is never eradicated from the believer during his time on earth, nor is it ever reformed, as though it can be made to love God. ​

What person can say, “I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin”? (Prov. 20:9). NO ONE!

No one is ever free from sin in this life, “Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins” (Eccl. 7:20).

Christians have a sin nature, and they do sin.

Paul tells the Christians at Rome to “put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts” (Rom 13:14).

He writes to the Christians at Galatia and states, “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please” (Gal 5:16-17).

The apostle John perhaps puts it most bluntly: “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8).​

My dear friend, the Bible tells that since the fall of Adam, every person is born with a sin nature, and it is this nature that internally motivates men to rebel against all legitimate forms of authority, both human and divine. At the moment of salvation, God the Holy Spirit indwells us and gives us a new nature that, for the first time in our lives, has the capacity and desire to obey God. Because the sin nature is not removed from the believer after salvation, the believer begins to experience conflict within.

“The presence of two opposing natures (not two personalities) in one individual results in conflict.”
Source.....Lewis S. Chafer, He that is Spiritual (Grand Rapids, Mich. Zondervan Publishing, 1967), 112.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Everyone commits sin including you my friend.

No, the folks reborn of God's seed do not commit sin.
His seed cannot bring forth liars, adulterers, or thieves. (1 John 3:9)

You have been given some really bad teaching.

I find teachings enabling a true servitude to God, liberating.

The sin nature is that aspect in man that makes him rebellious against God.
The flesh-and-blood existence we lead on this earth is shaped by our sinful, corrupt nature.
Scorce....The Bible Exposition Commentary: New Testament, Vol. 2 (Colorado Springs, Col., Victor Publishing, 2001), 18.

So true, but it only applies to those who still walk in and after the flesh, instead of in and after the Spirit.
Rebirth gives us a new nature.
One that reigns in those whose old self/nature was crucified with Christ.

Wherever people are, there is trouble. Charles Spurgeon said, .........“As the salt flavors every drop in the Atlantic, so does sin affect every atom of our nature. It is so sadly there, so abundantly there, that if you cannot detect it, you are deceived.”

Can you tell me if Spurgeon ever actually repented of sin?
Or did he die in his disobedience ?
He is speaking from the perspective of still being in the flesh.
A circumstance those in Christ have forsaken.

Paul admits that “the trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin” in (Romans 7:14). ​

The narrative of his life prior to his conversion, (Rom 7:5), would surely include those words.

Paul was in his “sinful nature a slave to the law of sin” in Romans 7:25.​

The narrative of Paul's pre-conversion life would surely include that message.
Thankfully, he wrote Romans 8:2, which magnifies the difference his pre-conversion life with where he was when he wrote Romans.
Rom 8:2..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
He had been freed from what you call..."his sinful nature/slave to the law of sin" by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus".
You can be freed too.

The sin nature is never eradicated from the believer during his time on earth, nor is it ever reformed, as though it can be made to love God. ​

Thankfully, rebirth from God's seed alleviates the slavery you write of.

What person can say, “I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin”? (Prov. 20:9). NO ONE!

Nobody in the OT.
But God has cleansed the heart of all that submit to Him; by the blood of Christ Jesus. (Acts 2:38)

No one is ever free from sin in this life, “Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins” (Eccl. 7:20).

OT writings that apply to those still living an OT lifestyle.
There are righteous men on earth since we have been enabled to walk "in Christ".
It is those outside of Christ that walk in the flesh and not in the Spirit.

Christians have a sin nature, and they do sin.

I disagree.

Paul tells the Christians at Rome to “put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts” (Rom 13:14).

Did they do that, or did they opt to die in their sins ?
I hope they obeyed a Godly exhortation.

He writes to the Christians at Galatia and states, “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please” (Gal 5:16-17).

Thank God for an apostle's admonissions and guidance !
If we walk in the Spirit, we won't be able to do do the things of the flesh !

The apostle John perhaps puts it most bluntly: “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8).​

Perfectly apt, as it addresses those who walk in darkness.
As do verses 6 and 10.
If we walk in the light, though, all or past sins can be washed away buy the blood of Christ. (1 John 1:7)
So those walking in the light/God, can say they have no sin !

My dear friend, the Bible tells that since the fall of Adam, every person is born with a sin nature, and it is this nature that internally motivates men to rebel against all legitimate forms of authority, both human and divine. At the moment of salvation, God the Holy Spirit indwells us and gives us a new nature that, for the first time in our lives, has the capacity and desire to obey God. Because the sin nature is not removed from the believer after salvation, the believer begins to experience conflict within.

Your rebirth is different from the one I believe in.

“The presence of two opposing natures (not two personalities) in one individual results in conflict.”
Source.....Lewis S. Chafer, He that is Spiritual (Grand Rapids, Mich. Zondervan Publishing, 1967), 112.

Chafer is right.
Thank God for making it possible to have but one "nature", after the old one was is destroyed and a new creature is raised with Christ to walk in newness of life ! (Rom 6:4,6)
Thank God !