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The United States & End Times

veteran said:
My point exactly too. The evil "workers of iniquity" that are the real movers behind the plan for one world government don't specifically have a country. Internationalism does NOT involve just one single nation or area on earth. Our Lord Jesus showed this specifically in Rev.17:15 when He declared the "waters" ("sea" of the Rev.13:1 beast) represent peoples, multitudes, tongues and nations, i.e., the whole earth.

But the "workers of iniquity", or the "mystery of iniquity" Apostle Paul pointed to, really love it when the deceived point to the problem being a specific nation like the United States, or even an area like Rome. Doing that helps get the 'heat' off them, and places it somewhere else so deception can keep working.
Yes, all great points. It reminds me of their modus operandi, divide and conquer.

veteran said:
The "workers of iniquity" serve the devil. Let that soak in. They KNOW Who God and His Christ is, and they KNOW who the devil is, but they knowingly serve the devil. God has His elect servants on earth, and the devil has his elect servants on earth also. The battle is real, and it's here on earth. And those workers exist in all nations and governments, not just in the United States.
A lot of Christians aren't fully aware of the tactics they use to remain in control, especially against the Christians. They knowingly will infiltrate the body of Christ and pretend to be a Christian, all the while seeking to destroy an organization from within, though they are so taken by the darkness that they believe they are doing good. They also do certain occult activities that sound outlandish to someone who hasn't been taught how they operate, things involving out of body experiences and the like, placing curses, etc. The Lord tells us that we are to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. I take this to mean, yes, we should all learn how they operate but have nothing to do with their method of operation, since the righteous will live by faith, and without faith, it is impossible to please God.

veteran said:
Our Lord Jesus revealed a lot about them with the parable of the tares of the field (Matt.13). A tare is a weed that grows among wheat, and it looks just like real wheat until it's fully grown. When fully grown, it shoots forth a black bud on its end showing that its a weed, and not wheat. In the parable the field hand asked his master how tares got into the wheat if he sowed good wheat, and then asked if he wanted him to go ahead and harvest the wheat early. The master said no, lest you mistakenly harvest some of the good wheat also, throwing them into the fire. But wait until the harvest time, when both are fully grown, separate the tares from the wheat and thrown them into the fire, but bring the wheat into his barn.

The Message is that ever since the Garden of Eden, there's been a hidden enemy at work among God's people, involving a 'mystery'. Like tares that aren't fully grown, you can't recognize them, so you can't be sure if you're getting a real tare by culling them out early. This is why our Lord Jesus said you'll know them by their fruit. But some of the good wheat being deceived, could be producing the wrong fruit too, in ignorance. So we still can't be sure if we try to separate the tares from the good wheat until Christ comes. This reveals God has a negative side of His Salvation Plan in effect also. The job of the tares is to test His people, to see if we will listen to God through His Son and remain faithful, all the way up to Christ's second coming.
That is interesting the point you made about the black bud. And I had never thought about the point you make about the wheat producing the wrong fruit.
 
ThreshingSword said:
That is interesting the point you made about the black bud. And I had never thought about the point you make about the wheat producing the wrong fruit.

Yes, the dark bud when tares are fully grown is horticulture. I didn't just make that up. God often uses agricultural things as symbols for a deeper truth.

The horticulture of the fig is another one:

The horticulture of the fig involves two original types. The sweet or edible fig is called the Smyrna fig (from Smyrna, Turkey). Growers tried for a long time to import it into California, but couldn't get it to grow. I think they finally got a genetic cross version going. I think there's many cross-varieties now.

The bitter fig is the Caprice fig. (It's probably what's used in Fig Newtons, sugar added to take away some of the bitterness. Tastes like it to me anyhow.)

Then there's the fig wasp (not joking). It takes from the sweet Smyrna fig and pollinates the bitter Caprice fig so the bitter fig can continue. There's the deceived that help ensure the bitter fig's continued existence, doing works of the wrong fruit in ignorance.

What does this have to do with the analogy our Lord used with the fig tree parable? In the symbolic sense, the sweet edible fig represents God's people. One of the seven Churches of Asia which Jesus had no problem with was even named Smyrna. The bitter Caprice fig represents Christ's enemies, their very seat even. The fig wasp represents the deceived, those who are not aware of the real enemy, so they're always taking from the sweet fig and transferring to the bitter fig to keep it alive.

In Jeremiah 24, the prophet was shown two baskets of figs by The LORD. One basket was good edible figs, but the other basket of figs were rotten, even "evil". Figs that are bitter are not evil, but the people our Lord used them to represent are. Our Lord declares there who each basket of figs represent. The good basket of figs represent Judah that was carried away in the 70 years Babylon captivity. The evil figs represent those among Judah in Jerusalem that returned (like the Nethinims of Ezra 2), and also those among scattered Judah throughout all kingdoms of the earth.

If you consider this fig principle, you'll see it manifested in many ways of this world. One such example is the doctrine of Communism and its continued existence. Few realize that Trotsky got funded money by certain ones in the U.S. in order to help foment the October revolution, taking over Czarist Russia and throwing it into Communism. And ever since the Communist states began, they've needed economic help from the Christian west in order to keep afloat. The last two big helps were when the Berlin Wall came down and Russia asked for economic help, and then the free-trade agreement with today's Red China. Socialism, which is a system designed to reward those who won't work, and penalize those who work hard, cannot be independent of itself because it is not an economically sound idea. (The first colonists at Jamestown in America tried the socialist ideal first, and many starved the first year, because no matter how hard one worked, everyone received the same. The next year, if you didn't work you didn't eat (Biblical principle per Gal.6 and 2 Thess.3:10), and whatever was produced in abundance was yours to sell or trade. That next year there was an abundance.)
 
veteran said:
ThreshingSword said:
That is interesting the point you made about the black bud. And I had never thought about the point you make about the wheat producing the wrong fruit.

Yes, the dark bud when tares are fully grown is horticulture. I didn't just make that up. God often uses agricultural things as symbols for a deeper truth.

The horticulture of the fig is another one:

The horticulture of the fig involves two original types. The sweet or edible fig is called the Smyrna fig (from Smyrna, Turkey). Growers tried for a long time to import it into California, but couldn't get it to grow. I think they finally got a genetic cross version going. I think there's many cross-varieties now.

The bitter fig is the Caprice fig. (It's probably what's used in Fig Newtons, sugar added to take away some of the bitterness. Tastes like it to me anyhow.)

Then there's the fig wasp (not joking). It takes from the sweet Smyrna fig and pollinates the bitter Caprice fig so the bitter fig can continue. There's the deceived that help ensure the bitter fig's continued existence, doing works of the wrong fruit in ignorance.

What does this have to do with the analogy our Lord used with the fig tree parable? In the symbolic sense, the sweet edible fig represents God's people. One of the seven Churches of Asia which Jesus had no problem with was even named Smyrna. The bitter Caprice fig represents Christ's enemies, their very seat even. The fig wasp represents the deceived, those who are not aware of the real enemy, so they're always taking from the sweet fig and transferring to the bitter fig to keep it alive.

In Jeremiah 24, the prophet was shown two baskets of figs by The LORD. One basket was good edible figs, but the other basket of figs were rotten, even "evil". Figs that are bitter are not evil, but the people our Lord used them to represent are. Our Lord declares there who each basket of figs represent. The good basket of figs represent Judah that was carried away in the 70 years Babylon captivity. The evil figs represent those among Judah in Jerusalem that returned (like the Nethinims of Ezra 2), and also those among scattered Judah throughout all kingdoms of the earth.

If you consider this fig principle, you'll see it manifested in many ways of this world. One such example is the doctrine of Communism and its continued existence. Few realize that Trotsky got funded money by certain ones in the U.S. in order to help foment the October revolution, taking over Czarist Russia and throwing it into Communism. And ever since the Communist states began, they've needed economic help from the Christian west in order to keep afloat. The last two big helps were when the Berlin Wall came down and Russia asked for economic help, and then the free-trade agreement with today's Red China. Socialism, which is a system designed to reward those who won't work, and penalize those who work hard, cannot be independent of itself because it is not an economically sound idea. (The first colonists at Jamestown in America tried the socialist ideal first, and many starved the first year, because no matter how hard one worked, everyone received the same. The next year, if you didn't work you didn't eat (Biblical principle per Gal.6 and 2 Thess.3:10), and whatever was produced in abundance was yours to sell or trade. That next year there was an abundance.)

Thank you! That was very interesting to read.
 
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