The USA needs to STOP supporting ISRAEL NOW

[kathydixon]

It's not a book that just anyone can read and suddenly they know God.

Just to clarify--
The Old Testament (also known as the Jewish Tanakh) is the first 39 books in most Christian Bibles. The name stands for the original promise with God (to the descendants of Abraham in particular) prior to the coming of Jesus Christ in the New Testament (or the new promise). The Old Testament contains the creation of the universe, the history of the patriarchs, the exodus from Egypt, the formation of Israel as a nation, the subsequent decline and fall of the nation, the Prophets (who spoke for God), and the Wisdom Books.
Books of the Bible - Full List Order of New and Old Testament (biblestudytools.com)
No animosity
Intended or implied
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[Corn Pop]

Let those in conflict sort there own issues out. Stop watching the fake news. I wasn't born to take on the whole worlds burden.

 

[miamited]

Just to clarify--
The Old Testament (also known as the Jewish Tanakh) is the first 39 books in most Christian Bibles. The name stands for the original promise with God (to the descendants of Abraham in particular) prior to the coming of Jesus Christ in the New Testament (or the new promise). The Old Testament contains the creation of the universe, the history of the patriarchs, the exodus from Egypt, the formation of Israel as a nation, the subsequent decline and fall of the nation, the Prophets (who spoke for God), and the Wisdom Books.
Books of the Bible - Full List Order of New and Old Testament (biblestudytools.com)
No animosity
Intended or implied
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Hi kathydixon

Thanks for your response. You are correct that the Old Testament Scriptures, as the Jewish have closed and canonized, is called the Tanakh. Yes, it is only the first 39 books of what we have in our version of the Scriptures.

I'm not sure what point that makes, but you are correct in your statement. However, the statement that I made, concerning the lack of understanding for many that read the Scriptures, includes the old and new covenant. The Jews don't accept that Jesus is the Messiah and, therefore, don't accept any writings that would claim that he is.

And no offense taken. I'm not unable or unwilling to discuss differences. Just know that I've been a student of God's word for some 25 years now and I know a lot, by the power of the Spirit, that other's may not have yet gleaned from them. I say that to forewarn anyone, that changing my mind on a lot of what I understand about the Scriptures, is going to take someone sitting down and diligently going over the few places where that may be the case.

God bless,
Ted

 

[kathydixon]

I say that to forewarn anyone, that changing my mind on a lot of what I understand about the Scriptures, is going to take someone sitting down and diligently going over

Please tell me the relationship God had with His chosen ones.

Thanks, in advance.
p.s. this is a trick question

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[miamited]

Please tell me the relationship God had with His chosen ones.

Thanks, in advance.
p.s. this is a trick question

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Uhhh, look. Read the Scriptures. It's all in there about Israel having always been the apple of His Eye and the many, many prophecies of the future that will depend on things that the Jews have to do. God raised up a people and He does not make mistakes. It really wouldn't be fair would it, that their work was in vain while Gentiles are saved. God will return to His people. And I'm telling you. You can believe it or not, but the Scriptures actually contain the prophetic message of God's discipline on Israel and that discipline, according to the timeline of the Scriptures, was to end on May 14,1948. God's been keeping His time and His promises to the Jews all throughout this 'time of the Gentiles'. He has merely taken some of the importance of what He's doing off of them, now that they have completed their part of His great plan of salvation. The plan, of which Jesus spoke of as he hung on that cross.

It's all in there!!!!

God bless,
Ted

 

[AariAariel]

In recent years, U.S. public opinion has become modestly more positive ... to say God gave the land that is now Israel to the Jewish people.

 

[BeyondET]

Comparing one to another does not alter the atrocities the Israelis have been and still are doing to the Palestinian people.

The Israel of today should be classified as a terrorist-sponsoring rouge state.

Ironically terrorist took over the Palestinian people in 2005 by force they are called Hamas a Islamic extremist group. It happened after 2003 when Israel pulled back its army and settlements from Gaza. Hamas doesn't control the west bank just Gaza

The place has been fighting for years.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You are walking on dangerous territory as the christian zionist lobby is very strong with a very effective marking system. Christians, many of them, are told isolated scriptures that basically put fear into them if they are not pro-Israeli. I had a christian tell me that God helps nations who help Israel and is against nations who do not so it is dangerous NOT to support Israel. To be a christian, to many, is to support Israel no matter how they treat christians and non-Jews.

Then there is the eschatology (which is right from the Pharisees) that Jesus will come back and rule the world (tyrannically) from Jerusalem. I used to think that until one day I read the scripture and read how Jesus said that the Kingdom of God would be (now is) taken away from the Jews and given to a (different) people producing the fruits thereof. I actually asked God how those people are and he answered me which matched perfectly with what transpired over the millennia. Since I am FOR the Kingdom of God and not any particular race, I dropped my Zionist view and decided to take the view that Jesus has.

By the way, if you ever hear someone say "God is not finished with Israel" ask them what nation is God finished with and how does that look? Is God finished with Iran? Is God finished with Thailand? Is God finished with the USA?

Our church supports a missionary couple in Israel. When they share they have to go offline so that no one can see that they are actually christian missionaries in Israel. So they are afraid of the Israel government knowing what they are doing. And yet the church is encouraged to especially love Israel, a nation where christians have to hide from their authorities that they want to share the gospel which is more like the Muslim nations. That shows a great marketing strategy. Support the nation that doesn't allow sharing the gospel with its citizens.

 

[BeyondET]

The conflict is way deep, some Muslims want nothing but to destroy the Jewish people, that is why when they got a chance to move in on Gaza they did.

Israel knew it was going to happen but to please the international community they pulled back. And Islamic extremist moved in. It's one crazy part of the world for sure.

 

[BeyondET]

You are walking on dangerous territory as the christian zionist lobby is very strong with a very effective marking system. Christians, many of them, are told isolated scriptures that basically put fear into them if they are not pro-Israeli. I had a christian tell me that God helps nations who help Israel and is against nations who do not so it is dangerous NOT to support Israel. To be a christian, to many, is to support Israel no matter how they treat christians and non-Jews.

Then there is the eschatology (which is right from the Pharisees) that Jesus will come back and rule the world (tyrannically) from Jerusalem. I used to think that until one day I read the scripture and read how Jesus said that the Kingdom of God would be (now is) taken away from the Jews and given to a (different) people producing the fruits thereof. I actually asked God how those people are and he answered me which matched perfectly with what transpired over the millennia. Since I am FOR the Kingdom of God and not any particular race, I dropped my Zionist view and decided to take the view that Jesus has.

By the way, if you ever hear someone say "God is not finished with Israel" ask them what nation is God finished with and how does that look? Is God finished with Iran? Is God finished with Thailand? Is God finished with the USA?

Our church supports a missionary couple in Israel. When they share they have to go offline so that no one can see that they are actually christian missionaries in Israel. So they are afraid of the Israel government knowing what they are doing. And yet the church is encouraged to especially love Israel, a nation where christians have to hide from their authorities that they want to share the gospel which is more like the Muslim nations. That shows a great marketing strategy. Support the nation that doesn't allow sharing the gospel with its citizens.

Your church supports missionaries and doesn't know how many Christian churches are in Israel wow that's astonishing. Who ever told you the Israel government is against christians isn't telling you the truth. Sounds like the couple is taking someone for a ride.

Here's the list.

the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Armenian Catholic Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Latin Catholic Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, the Syriac Catholic Church, the Syriac Maronite Church, and the Syriac Orthodox Church.

 

[BeyondET]

I'm not pro Israel and I'm not anti Israel either.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your church supports missionaries and doesn't know how many Christian churches are in Israel wow that's astonishing. Who ever told you the Israel government is against christians isn't telling you the truth. Sounds like the couple is taking someone for a ride.

Here's the list.

the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Armenian Catholic Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Latin Catholic Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, the Syriac Catholic Church, the Syriac Maronite Church, and the Syriac Orthodox Church.

Since your approach is to insult it will likely not be fruitful to exchange. I would suggests you not start out with insults. Now, I did not say that there are NO CHRISTIAN CHURCHES in Israel. I spoke of sharing the gospel with Jews. Here is a quote from an Israeli immigration lawyer.

"In Israel it’s legal to express a person’s world view, including religious beliefs, even if they are not accepted by the majority of the public. The exception to this rule is what is known in Israel as the “Missionary Law”. The “law” is actually composed of two separate sections of the Israeli criminal code; the first, section 174 of the Penal Code – 1977, forbids a person to proselytize another to change his religion by means of material benefit. The second, section 368 of the Penal Code, forbids persuading or encouraging a minor (under the age of 18) to change his religion. This law also forbids to conduct any ceremony for a minor to change religion, without the consent of both parents."

 

[BeyondET]

Since your approach is to insult it will likely not be fruitful to exchange. I would suggests you not start out with insults. Now, I did not say that there are NO CHRISTIAN CHURCHES in Israel. I spoke of sharing the gospel with Jews. Here is a quote from an Israeli immigration lawyer.

"In Israel it’s legal to express a person’s world view, including religious beliefs, even if they are not accepted by the majority of the public. The exception to this rule is what is known in Israel as the “Missionary Law”. The “law” is actually composed of two separate sections of the Israeli criminal code; the first, section 174 of the Penal Code – 1977, forbids a person to proselytize another to change his religion by means of material benefit. The second, section 368 of the Penal Code, forbids persuading or encouraging a minor (under the age of 18) to change his religion. This law also forbids to conduct any ceremony for a minor to change religion, without the consent of both parents."

I didn't insult you, I'm sorry I had hurt your feelings about your church and the couple but I don't agree.

I think you can do better to prove your claim.

And here's the kicker read what you posted from the lawyer.

1. Not to try and change someone religion by means of a material benefit

2. No ceremony to minors without the consent of the parents.

I totally agree with that don't you?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I didn't insult you, I'm sorry I had hurt your feelings about your church and the couple but I don't agree.

You did not hurt my feelings at all. We do not know each other so you haven’t that power. You just show that you have the tendency to personally insult those with whom you do not agree and I was advising you to stop doing that but focus upon the subject and not the person. You likely don’t see that you do this.

I think you can do better to prove your claim.

Prejudice is often hidden and not open. But I think you can do better to think about the matter.

And here's the kicker read what you posted from the lawyer.

1. Not to try and change someone religion by means of a material benefit

2. No ceremony to minors without the consent of the parents.

I totally agree with that don't you?

"Material benefit" is a fairly gray region. And no, I do not agree. I do not see anything close to this in just societies. I think you just want don't want to admit that religious tolerance in Israel is missing and so want to dismiss the legal limits of sharing the gospel. The reported warnings of sharing the gospel in the city is that the people are not at all tolerant of this and will abuse anyone who tries to preach the gospel. This is what people are warned about. This is the Jewish people themselves, not the law.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your church supports missionaries and doesn't know how many Christian churches are in Israel wow that's astonishing.

This is insulting. We don’t think that and I didn’t say that. What you could have said is, “are you aware that there are christian churches in Israel?”

 

[BeyondET]

This is insulting. We don’t think that and I didn’t say that. What you could have said is, “are you aware that there are christian churches in Israel?”

Either you made it up or someone lied too you about the missionaries go offline and being fearful of the Israeli government knowing that they are talking about Christianity is bogus. the government isn't worried or concern about people taking about Christianity in Israel.

Then you post something from their constitution. That says people are free to worship what they want, as long as people don't try and bargain someone to switch their faith or push it on a minor without the parents consent. You didn't Maka a valid argument, you actually clarified the Israeli government allows freedom of religion with your lawyer post that was to funny.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Either you made it up or someone lied too you about the missionaries go offline and being fearful of the Israeli government knowing that they are talking about Christianity is bogus. the government isn't worried or concern about people taking about Christianity in Israel.

Since you weren’t there AND have no personal experience listening to missionaries to Israel, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Then you post something from their constitution. That says people are free to worship what they want, as long as people don't try and bargain someone to switch their faith or push it on a minor without the parents consent. You didn't Maka a valid argument, you actually clarified the Israeli government allows freedom of religion with your lawyer post that was to funny.

It’s “too” not “to” funny. I prophesied correctly when I predicted exchanging with you will be fruitless.

 

[BeyondET]

Since you weren’t there AND have no personal experience listening to missionaries to Israel, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

It’s “too” not “to” funny. I prophesied correctly when I predicted exchanging with you will be fruitless.

Your deceptions speak volume, you are no prophet. And you need cool your jets, your talking foolishly.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your deceptions speak volume, you are no prophet. And you need cool your jets, your talking foolishly.

I’m not deceived. And I am prophetic and I prophesied accurately. It was fruitless. But of course you played a major role in its fulfillment.

 

[kathydixon]

Uhhh, look. Read the Scriptures. It's all in there about Israel having always been the apple of His Eye

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers.
"He would keep the oath", which means He has not of yet.

and the many, many prophecies of the future that will depend on things that the Jews have to do. God raised up a people and He does not make mistakes.

Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Jer 14:8 KJV) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?
(Ezek 14:7 KJV) For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to inquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:
(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow
(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
You can believe it or not, but the Scriptures actually contain the prophetic message of God's discipline on Israel and that discipline
Ezekiel
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy against the land of Israel,
3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.
12 Cry and howl, son of man: for it shall be upon my people, it shall be upon all the princes of Israel: terrors by reason of the sword shall be upon my people: smite therefore upon thy thigh.
17 I will also smite mine hands together, and I will cause my fury to rest: I the LORD have said it.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.
25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,
31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population

It's all in there!!!!

God bless,

Ted

May the Lord have mercy on your soul
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