USA is Babylon the great

I would like to share with you that while I was reading Rev 16, 17 & 18 Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great. You can see this through the judgments described in these chapters.

Rev 16:18-19 tells us that Babylon the Great is that place that when the earthquake splits her into three, this will cause all the cities of the nations to fall.
Rev. 16:18-19 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

When Rev 18:11 and 17-19 explain that the merchants of the earth who became rich from Babylon the Great will be weeping because no one buys there cargos anymore and every shipping company who became rich from her will be crying out because there is no place to ship these goods, they are telling us that the cities of the nations fall because the merchants of these cities are manufacturing the goods, that they sell in Babylon the Great in these cities, and when the earth quake destroys Babylon the Great the manufacturing in these cities will cease and this will cause the economies and the cities to fall. The USA is the only place in the world that every merchant and shipping company is becoming wealthy from; that if it was destroyed would cause all of the cities of the nations to fall.
Rev 18:11 and 17-19 - 11 “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more 17 for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, 18 and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘ What city is like the great city?’ 19 “And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘ Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’

The mystery found in Rev 17:5 ‘and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." coincides with this. The first part of the mystery which says: “Babylon the Great” tells us that Babylon the Great is like Babylon of Old was, but greater. Babylon was known for two things, they were the center of trade and they ruled the earth. This tells us that Babylon the Great is that place which is the center of trade and rules the earth, but is greater in magnitude than Babylon of Old. The only place in the world that fits this description is the USA.

The next part of the mystery tells us that Babylon the Great is the Mother of Harlots, or she is that place that makes baby harlots, or she is that place that the other nations are becoming baby harlots, by becoming like her. The modern term for this is westernization. The USA is the only nation in the world that all of the other nations are becoming like, or westernized.

We can see the fulfillment of the last part of the mystery more clearly today, which tells us that Babylon the Great is the mother of the abominations of the earth. Recently, the Socialists in the Democratic Party have included such abominations as abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage and transgender in US foreign policy and they are using the economic grip that the US has on other nations and US military supremacy to force the nations of the world to legalize these abominations and it is through this that they are causing the USA to fulfill, “the mother of the abominations of the earth”. There is no other country in the world that is fulfilling the mother of the abominations of the earth.

John saw in Rev 17:9-11 that Babylon the Great is that place that is capable of sitting on or ruling over the fourth beast and Antichrist when he first arises, when they tell us that the beast, which symbolizes the Antichrist, comes out of one of the seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, and becomes an eighth king that the woman sits on or rules over.
Rev 17: 9-11 "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.
The USA is the only country that is capable of ruling over the Antichrist when he first arises.

Rev 16:12-19 tells us that the judgment of the USA takes place during the great tribulation period when the Antichrist and the False Prophet are gathering the nations to Har-magedon to reestablish his rule.
Rev. 16:12-19 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates; and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east. 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 “Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-magedon. 17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, “ It is done.” 18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

When the Antichrist sees that the earth quakes cause the USA to become defenseless, John saw in Rev 17:12-13 and 16-17 that the ten horns, which are the leaders of the Muslim terrorist organizations that are operating with in the ten nation kingdom, which are those nations that are fighting with Israel, will join with the Antichrist’s seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, in the common purpose to defeat the USA.
Rev 17:12 - 13 and 16 - 17… 12 "As for the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 "These have one purpose and they give their power and authority to the beast. 16 "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.





Rev 17:23 tells us that it is the merchants of the USA who are responsible for causing the judgment of the USA.
Rev 17:23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.
As you can see the USA is the only country that is capable of fulfilling all of the descriptions found in these scriptures.

After Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great He showed me the following vision to confirm that the insight was from Him and that He wanted me to share this message with His churches. One day when I was sitting at the table writing a letter I suddenly could not keep my eyes open, which I thought was strange because I had just awakened. When I laid down on the couch I saw a vision in which the face of a black man appeared before me, and I as I studied his face I noticed He was surrounded by a loving peace. He then told me to go and tell them, which I knew meant that I was suppose to go and tell the churches and the lost that the USA is Babylon the Great. After I soaked up the peacefulness that surrounded him for a few moments the vision ended. When I got up I said to Jesus that if it was Him who appeared to me, He would have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third. Jesus led me to get dressed and leave my apartment. He took me south of Philadelphia, Pa to a church basement that was being used to take care of handicapped children. I shared a gospel tract with those in charge and then I left. Jesus then led me to a nearby church and after I knocked on the door and asked the receptionist if the Pastor was there and she responded, “you mean Father” I questioned Jesus asking Him if it was He who was leading me, since I knew that we are not suppose to call ourselves father. After I went inside the minister immediately appeared and invited me into his office. While I was sharing with him that we are not suppose to call ourselves father, I was shown that he had the Holy Spirit, but yet, he allowed himself to be called father. I realized that he belonged to Jesus, but some of his teachings were incorrect. He thanked me for the conversation and I left. Then Jesus led me to a church near my apartment and when the Pastor answered the door I was astounded because his face was the same face that the Holy Spirit appeared to me in the vision and then I realized that it was the Holy Spirit who appeared to me and that both the message that the USA is Babylon the Great and that I was supposed to go and to tell God’s people this message was from Jesus.

One day, while I was pondering why I was led to the first two churches before I was led to the church where the Pastor, whose face Jesus appeared to me as, answered the door, I realized that Jesus led me to the first two churches, so that it would be at the third church, where He confirmed that the vision was from Him, because after I saw the vision I said to Him, “if it was you who appeared to me you will have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third.” This realization deepened my experience with Jesus.

One of the reasons that Jesus sent me to share that the USA is Babylon the Great is because Rev 18:4 contains a warning to the believers.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues;

This scripture is a warning to the believers, that if they participate in the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing, either directly or indirectly by voting for one of these Socialists, they will receive their plagues. Some of these sins include the Socialist “separation of church and state,” which is a violation of the original intent of separation of church and state, because it is part of their scheme to establish Darwinian Atheism as the national cult, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, gambling, alcohol, legalizing homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgender, teaching or supporting those that teach evolution in the public schools, colleges, museums, parks or through any of the media outlets, inclusion of no evangelizing in the “no soliciting” signs that you see on the windows of businesses, requiring permits to evangelize with in city limits, supporting the Muslims against Israel, and no evangelistic statements allowed in the work place. These are some of the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing and if you are a believer and are participating in them you will receive their plagues if you don't come out of them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Does Babylon the Great get destroyed?
Those verses.
Please keep to the OP.

I am done playing your around the bush games. Either you contribute any knowledge you have on this subject including Biblical support or I will see it as you trolling after me.

 

[dwb001]

I am done playing your around the bush games. Either you contribute any knowledge you have on this subject including Biblical support or I will see it as you trolling after me.

Rev 17+18.
Babylon Falls.
If America is Babylon.... then America falls.
As there are multiple timelines in Revelation... harmonisation of Revelation shows this easily... it is very possible(in my opinion probable) that Babylon falls as a precursor to the Beasts appearance.
If different sections(you would call them visions) of Revelation are not in sequential order, that allows for Babylon to fall much earlier in the Revelation timeline then its written placement in the book.

 

[for_his_glory]

Rev 17+18.
Babylon Falls.
If America is Babylon.... then America falls.
As there are multiple timelines in Revelation... harmonisation of Revelation shows this easily... it is very possible(in my opinion probable) that Babylon falls as a precursor to the Beasts appearance.
If different sections(you would call them visions) of Revelation are not in sequential order, that allows for Babylon to fall much earlier in the Revelation timeline then its written placement in the book.

Thank you as that is what I was waiting for.

America is not mystery Babylon, but is a daughter to this harlot that rides the beast, Rev 17, in how it was explained in my post #3. The person who wrote this was in the Jesuit Priesthood who now exposes them for who they are and their setting up of the NWO, which is the timing of the beast out of the sea giving his power to the beast out of the earth that will reign for 3 1/2 years after the sounding of the seventh trumpet right before Jesus returns who by the brightness of His coming will destroy the beast and his false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 19:11-21

 

[dwb001]

Thank you as that is what I was waiting for.

Well thank you for finally asking a clear question.

America is not mystery Babylon,

In your opinion. Please don't bring authoritative statements to a speculative subject.

but is a daughter to this harlot that rides the beast, Rev 17, in how it was explained in my post #3. The person who wrote this was in the Jesuit Priesthood who now exposes them for who they are and their setting up of the NWO, which is the timing of the beast out of the sea giving his power to the beast out of the earth that will reign for 3 1/2 years after the sounding of the seventh trumpet right before Jesus returns who by the brightness of His coming will destroy the beast and his false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 19:11-21

Thanks for the Readers Digest version. Not helpful but cute.
And don't even get me started on all the baseless assumptions in Post #3.
The entire quote is all supposition and baseless inserts into the book of Revelation.
They sound like they fit... but they don't really.

 

[for_his_glory]

The great city has always been the Holy City of Jerusalem, even though Babylon was a great city before it's destruction by the Persians in 539BC. Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem, but outside the walls of Jerusalem on a hill in Golgotha that was also part of the Roman government in Jerusalem at the time of Christ and crucified Jesus according to their custom.

Rev 17 and 18 speaks of mystery Babylon as it is even a mystery to those today that have no understanding. In Rev 17 the great harlot rides the beast so the harlot can not be both the harlot and the beast. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them as even today these nations are controlled by the Roman Empire, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13, 17, that would love nothing less then to escape this ruling power.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

In Rev 17, 18, 19 the great harlot (son of perdition) is described and then destroyed along with the beast being the existing Roman Empire. The earth bewails their destruction as they were made rich by the woman. In the NT the term woman is used as a symbol for a church. The woman mentioned in Rev 12 is the true Church of God as she is carried away into the wilderness and taken care of by God.

This woman in Rev 17 sitting on a scarlett beast is a spiritual harlot as she entered into adulterous alliances with the leaders and kings of every nation around the world including America. Rev 18 describes all these worldly leaders and kings fornicated with her and will bewail her destruction. In her was found the blood of the prophets and the saints and all that were slain on earth.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[for_his_glory]

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Notice it is written "Mother" of harlots. As a mother of harlots she would also have daughters that would teach similar abominable doctrines that would be in opposition to what God taught through His Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

The reference to Babylon indicates that just as Babylon, the first of our world ruling empires foretold by God in the book of Daniel had spread and enforced its false idolatrous form of worship, so would this woman.

Additionally we are told that this woman is responsible for the deaths of faithful martyr's of Jesus and that this woman is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth, being present day Presidents and political government.

In viewing history from the time of the Babylonian Empire up to the revived Roman Empire that ruled over Jerusalem in the days of Christ and being an independent territory of the Vatican in Rome today has indeed ruled over kings of the earth in the past and the ruling power behind Presidents and Government in every nation today.

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon, have always disguised themselves as a religious sect, even calling themselves Christians today by name only, but denying the power of Christ. This last worldly ruling power have changed the doctrines of Christ and continue in their pagan ways will continue to make many martyr's in the end of days causing all to renounce Christ and take the mark of this beast and the harlot she rode in on.

The mother has many daughters since the time of Babylon as she is the ruling political power behind her daughters beginning with the Babylonian Empire up to present day Roman Empire.

 

[dwb001]

The great city has always been the Holy City of Jerusalem, even though Babylon was a great city before it's destruction by the Persians in 539BC. Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem, but outside the walls of Jerusalem on a hill in Golgotha that was also part of the Roman government in Jerusalem at the time of Christ and crucified Jesus according to their custom.

And what does this have to do with Babylon... as nothing is mentioned about the crucifixion of Christ in Rev 17+18, as I recall.

Rev 17 and 18 speaks of mystery Babylon as it is even a mystery to those today that have no understanding.

Where is this in Scripture please. Make no leaps without a foundation.

In Rev 17 the great harlot rides the beast so the harlot can not be both the harlot and the beast. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire.

Where in Revelation are these Empires listed. Nowhere. OK.

The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them as even today these nations are controlled by the Roman Empire, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13, 17, that would love nothing less then to escape this ruling power.

If they are nations then they have power and crowns... but that is contradictory to the text so they are not nations.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

Also where in Revelation are these listed. Nowhere... you are bringing in something that is not there.

In Rev 17, 18, 19 the great harlot (son of perdition)

Where in Revelation is the great harlot called the son of perdition. Why are you making things up?

is described and then destroyed along with the beast being the existing Roman Empire.

The Beast destroys the Harlot. So you got that part incorrect. Or are you reading a different Bible then the rest of us?

The earth bewails their destruction as they were made rich by the woman. In the NT the term woman is used as a symbol for a church. The woman mentioned in Rev 12 is the true Church of God as she is carried away into the wilderness and taken care of by God.

This woman in Rev 17 sitting on a scarlett beast is a spiritual harlot

Where in Revelation does it say anything about "spiritual" harlotry? You are reaching again.

as she entered into adulterous alliances with the leaders and kings of every nation around the world including America.

But I thought you said this all happened with ancient Rome. Maybe I am as confused as this post.

Rev 18 describes all these worldly leaders and kings fornicated with her and will bewail her destruction. In her was found the blood of the prophets and the saints and all that were slain on earth.

Yes, very multicultural.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And the point of including this reference is what? What point are you making by including these verses?

 

[dwb001]

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Notice it is written "Mother" of harlots. As a mother of harlots she would also have daughters that would teach similar abominable doctrines that would be in opposition to what God taught through His Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

Just like MOAB... Mother of all bombs... the biggest of the bombs around. Daughters not required. But can be read both ways.

The reference to Babylon indicates that just as Babylon, the first of our world ruling empires foretold by God in the book of Daniel had spread and enforced its false idolatrous form of worship, so would this woman.

Where is that in Revelation.... pure speculation on your part.

Additionally we are told that this woman is responsible for the deaths of faithful martyr's of Jesus and that this woman is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth, being present day Presidents and political government.

In viewing history from the time of the Babylonian Empire up to the revived Roman Empire that ruled over Jerusalem in the days of Christ and being an independent territory of the Vatican in Rome today has indeed ruled over kings of the earth in the past and the ruling power behind Presidents and Government in every nation today.

So the Vatican is the Harlot... that would make Rome the Beast... when will Rome destroy the Vatican?

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon,

Your previous post said the woman is not the beast... and now you say they are the same.
Keep your story straight.

have always disguised themselves as a religious sect, even calling themselves Christians today by name only, but denying the power of Christ. This last worldly ruling power have changed the doctrines of Christ and continue in their pagan ways will continue to make many martyr's in the end of days causing all to renounce Christ and take the mark of this beast and the harlot she rode in on.

Now you are saying the Harlot rides the Beast and you are mixing the Scarlet Beast with the Beast from the Sea.
You have changed your story at least three times in as many paragraphs... ish.

The mother has many daughters since the time of Babylon as she is the ruling political power behind her daughters beginning with the Babylonian Empire up to present day Roman Empire.

But the mother still exists according to Scripture but you have replaced the Whore with the Whorelets.
Neat little slight of hand.

 

[for_his_glory]

And what does this have to do with Babylon... as nothing is mentioned about the crucifixion of Christ in Rev 17+18, as I recall.

Where is this in Scripture please. Make no leaps without a foundation.

Where in Revelation are these Empires listed. Nowhere. OK.

If they are nations then they have power and crowns... but that is contradictory to the text so they are not nations.

Also where in Revelation are these listed. Nowhere... you are bringing in something that is not there.

Where in Revelation is the great harlot called the son of perdition. Why are you making things up?

The Beast destroys the Harlot. So you got that part incorrect. Or are you reading a different Bible then the rest of us?

Where in Revelation does it say anything about "spiritual" harlotry? You are reaching again.

But I thought you said this all happened with ancient Rome. Maybe I am as confused as this post.

Yes, very multicultural.

And the point of including this reference is what? What point are you making by including these verses?

It's seems apparent that you have never truly have done and in-depth study that runs between Genesis to Revelation and all the history on the seven remaining Empires that exist today. I have not seen you give anything to this thread other then your sarcasm towards me. I will no longer respond to you. You have a good day.

 

[journeyman]

The next part of the mystery tells us that Babylon the Great is the Mother of Harlots, or she is that place that makes baby harlots, or she is that place that the other nations are becoming baby harlots, by becoming like her. The modern term for this is westernization. The USA is the only nation in the world that all of the other nations are becoming like, or westernized.

We can see the fulfillment of the last part of the mystery more clearly today, which tells us that Babylon the Great is the mother of the abominations of the earth. Recently, the Socialists in the Democratic Party have included such abominations as abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage and transgender in US foreign policy and they are using the economic grip that the US has on other nations and US military supremacy to force the nations of the world to legalize these abominations and it is through this that they are causing the USA to fulfill, “the mother of the abominations of the earth”. There is no other country in the world that is fulfilling the mother of the abominations of the earth.

It seems the mother of harlots goes back to the 1st murder, because that blood is found in her (Rev.18:24.)
And Babylon is the same as Babel, which is confusion. People who think material wealth will bring them happiness are confused. Mankind wanted to build a stairway to heaven and it turned into babel.

One of the reasons that Jesus sent me to share that the USA is Babylon the Great is because Rev 18:4 contains a warning to the believers.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues;

This scripture is a warning to the believers, that if they participate in the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing, either directly or indirectly by voting for one of these Socialists, they will receive their plagues. Some of these sins include the Socialist “separation of church and state,” which is a violation of the original intent of separation of church and state, because it is part of their scheme to establish Darwinian Atheism as the national cult, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, gambling, alcohol, legalizing homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgender, teaching or supporting those that teach evolution in the public schools, colleges, museums, parks or through any of the media outlets, inclusion of no evangelizing in the “no soliciting” signs that you see on the windows of businesses, requiring permits to evangelize with in city limits, supporting the Muslims against Israel, and no evangelistic statements allowed in the work place. These are some of the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing and if you are a believer and are participating in them you will receive their plagues if you don't come out of them.

I agree, but it's really when people are consumed with self and trying to circumvent God. All the evils you mentioned have been going on throughout history. Believers are always protected from death.

 

[dwb001]

It's seems apparent that you have never truly have done and in-depth study that runs between Genesis to Revelation and all the history on the seven remaining Empires that exist today. I have not seen you give anything to this thread other then your sarcasm towards me. I will no longer respond to you. You have a good day.

Do you promise?
I will make you a deal... if you stop teaching error then I will not comment on your posts.
But if you keep teaching non-Biblical teachings... I will make every effort to correct you.
Does that sound good?

 

[for_his_glory]

Rev 17:12 - 13 and 16 - 17… 12 "As for the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 "These have one purpose and they give their power and authority to the beast. 16 "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev 17:12-14

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:

Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America

Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe

Kingdom 3: Japan

Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands

Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe

Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America

Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East

Kingdom 8: Central Africa

Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia

Kingdom 10: Central Asia​

 

[dwb001]

So as per our above agreement I will now refute your post.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Rev 17:12-14

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members.​

There is absolutely no mention of the Untied Nations in Revelation.
Where is your proof that the Vatican and UN are one and the same or in the control of the other?

In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them,​

And where is your proof of this outrageous statement?

but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)
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I see no mention in Revelation of the Judgement that befalls the Scarlet Beast. Where exactly is that in Revelation?

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:

Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
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These nations have no power as of yet?

Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
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These nations have no say on the world stage?

Kingdom 3: Japan
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A totally non powerful nation to be sure.

Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
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A forgotten land.

Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
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Not even worth mentioning.

Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
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A land without any sway.

Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
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Poor and forgotten land.

Kingdom 8: Central Africa
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Etc.

Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
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Etc.

Kingdom 10: Central Asia​

Etc.

These nations have no power? But the text does not talk about nations... but kings.
You think that all 10 of these nations... which are not nations but entire regions of the world... will agree to take out the Vatican?
But the text says the kings(not nations or regions) will not have power... except for one hour... and then they will all agree to kill the Whore.
The Scarlet Beast is the one who destroys the Whore... but the horns are the ones who will make war with the Lamb.

Your eschatology is a bit flimsy from where I sit.
Maybe a good reread of Revelation without all the worldly thinking might be in order.

 

[jamesdalbright]

A bit long winded but covers most of the bases.

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Notice it is written "Mother" of harlots. As a mother of harlots she would also have daughters that would teach similar abominable doctrines that would be in opposition to what God taught through His Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

The reference to Babylon indicates that just as Babylon, the first of our world ruling empires foretold by God in the book of Daniel had spread and enforced its false idolatrous form of worship, so would this woman.

Additionally we are told that this woman is responsible for the deaths of faithful martyr's of Jesus and that this woman is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth, being present day Presidents and political government.

In viewing history from the time of the Babylonian Empire up to the revived Roman Empire that ruled over Jerusalem in the days of Christ and being an independent territory of the Vatican in Rome today has indeed ruled over kings of the earth in the past and the ruling power behind Presidents and Government in every nation today.

The mother and her harlots, being the beast she rides upon, have always disguised themselves as a religious sect, even calling themselves Christians today by name only, but denying the power of Christ. This last worldly ruling power have changed the doctrines of Christ and continue in their pagan ways will continue to make many martyr's in the end of days causing all to renounce Christ and take the mark of this beast and the harlot she rode in on.

The mother has many daughters since the time of Babylon as she is the ruling political power behind her daughters beginning with the Babylonian Empire up to present day Roman Empire.

The mystery found in Rev 17:5 ‘and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." coincides with this. The first part of the mystery which says: “Babylon the Great” tells us that Babylon the Great is like Babylon of Old was, but greater. Babylon was known for two things, they were the center of trade and they ruled the earth. This tells us that Babylon the Great is that place which is the center of trade and rules the earth, but is greater in magnitude than Babylon of Old. The only place in the world that fits this description is the USA.

The next part of the mystery tells us that Babylon the Great is the Mother of Harlots, or she is that place that makes baby harlots, or she is that place that the other nations are becoming baby harlots, by becoming like her. The modern term for this is westernization. The USA is the only nation in the world that all of the other nations are becoming like, or westernized.

We can see the fulfillment of the last part of the mystery more clearly today, which tells us that Babylon the Great is the mother of the abominations of the earth. Recently, the Socialists in the Democratic Party have included such abominations as abortion, homosexuality, and same sex marriage in US foreign policy and they are using the economic grip that the US has on other nations and US military supremacy to force the nations of the world to legalize these abominations and it is through this that they are causing the USA to fulfill, “the mother of the abominations of the earth”. There is no other country in the world that is fulfilling the mother of the abominations of the earth.

 

[jamesdalbright]

This is where America that is the beast that rises from the earth and will exercise all the power from the first beast comes in to play as Jesuit Rome and Jesuit America being her daughter are controlled by the governing militant Jesuits who were fully involved in the founding of the seat of Americas government in Washington DC using their Catholic Situates.

The beast that rises up out of the sea means rising to power out of multitudes of people or a sea of people as in nations. Another beast rising up out of the earth is the opposite of the sea of people as it means rising to power in an unpopulated area. This is why the Jesuit council chose America to bring their Catholicism Doctrine to the shores of America in 1611 as it was unclaimed wooded territory that would allow them the liberty and freedom without persecution to carry on their Catholicism Doctrines.

The French Jesuits were the first to arrive on American soil to explore the woodlands of Maine and celebrated the first known Mass at the mouth of the Kennebec River in 1611. Cecil Calvert who was the second Lord Baltimore of England followed after the death of his father George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore and purposed the founding of Maryland in 1634 to create a refuge for Roman Catholics who were still being persecuted in Protestant England. Maryland became known as a haven for Roman Catholics in the New World.

Cecil governed Maryland for forty-two years. In 1669 the surrounding land which is now Washington D.C. belonged to a man named Francis Pope who called the area Rome and its river inlet Tiber. There was a patent in Somerset, now Worcester Co., Maryland by the name Rome patented by a Pope. Francis Pope was the Justice of Peace of Charles County Maryland. America became known as the United States of America in 1776 by the Continental Congress.

On March 31, 1791 a few years before the papal government was abolished in Rome around 1798 and reestablished in 1929 George Washington, an Episcopalian and a 33 degree Freemason who was thought to convert to Catholicism, constituted the District of Columbia as the seat of the national government. He commissioned the design and building of the seat of government in Washington DC to Daniel Carroll of Duddington. Daniel’s father, John Carroll, was Catholic and one of the principal landed proprietors of the District. Mayor Charles Pierre L'Enfant, a French Catholic, was employed to furnish a layout of the city and to him the credit of its Luciferians symbolic Rome design is mainly due. James Hoban, a Catholic, won by competition the prize offered for a plan of the President's house and the White House is constructed in accordance with the Roman Coliseum design.

The corner-stone was laid October 13, 1792 by George Washington whom also officiated at the laying of the corner-stone of the north wing of the Capitol on September 18, 1793. The site which the Capitol occupies was part of the land of Daniel Carroll and was a gift from him to in order to form the government housing of the United States government. Robert Brent, a Catholic and nephew of Bishop Carroll, was the first mayor who was annually reappointed by Presidents Jefferson and Madison until 1812.

There is so much more to this and if anyone is interested in learning more please go to End Time Forum under the subtitle Revelation go read read Chapter 13 in the book I have written called The Unveiling.

The Darwinian Atheist cult has been established as the national cult in America through our education system, museums, parks and entertainment industry. The Catholics will fall away and fall inline with their anti-Christian mores when the Antichrist emerges on the scene and leads the Progressive crusade against the Christians. The Antichrist will alter law, by using the power he gains through the peace treaty he will make when he emerges on the scene, to backup the Progressive's worldwide calling bad good and good bad. When this happens everyone who is using the Bible in vain will "fall away" and cease to even mention the Bible in fear of being arrested. The intellectuals among them will fulfill the false prophets found in Matt 24 in order to justify realigning themselves with the anti-Christian mores.

 

[for_his_glory]

What you present is partial, but this is my understanding of the full of mystery Babylon , harlot and her daughters.

Rev 13 the beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast is a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system. This beast system that Satan works through gives its power to the beast out of the earth as the beast out of the earth appears as the Lamb of God, but is a false Christ being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, with two horns. The two horns represent the Old Roman Empire that received its deadly wound back in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. That caused them to scatter into the other ten nations (ten horns). The wound was healed in 1929 by Mussolini.

Below is that of the seven remaining nations described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon. This Empire ran from 2000BC - 1759BC

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
This Empire ran from 753BC -27BC

The beast rises up out of the sea, Rev 13, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns/nations represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:15-28.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The beast out of the earth, Rev 13:11-18, is the revived Roman Empire (mystery Babylon, Rev 17:5) which causes man to take its mark. Daniel 7:25 and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, He will think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-12.


The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government: (Daughters of the Great Harlot)

Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

 

[dwb001]

What you present is partial, but this is my understanding of the full of mystery Babylon , harlot and her daughters.

No daughters of Babylon are mentioned in Revelation so all of that would be your work of fiction.

Rev 13 the beast rises up out of the sea as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity,

No where does the Rev 13 sea be shown to be a people or nations. What you are thinking of is the sea where the Whore sits.

Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. This beast is a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system.

Which Beast as there are three separate Beasts in Revelation. Please be specific or you will get them mixed up like you did with the sea.

This beast system that Satan works through gives its power to the beast out of the earth as the beast out of the earth appears as the Lamb of God, but is a false Christ being the son of perdition, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, with two horns. The two horns represent the Old Roman Empire that received its deadly wound back in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the Roman government and established a secular one. That caused them to scatter into the other ten nations (ten horns). The wound was healed in 1929 by Mussolini.

Where is the Biblical reference for your wild claims?

Below is that of the seven remaining nations described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon. This Empire ran from 2000BC - 1759BC

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
This Empire ran from 753BC -27BC

The above has no bearing on Revelation but is a nice little history lesson.

The beast rises up out of the sea, Rev 13, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity,

Nope.

Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns/nations represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:15-28.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The 10 horns are kings... not kingdoms. And the kings have no power... so can not be kingdoms as those have power.

The beast out of the earth, Rev 13:11-18, is the revived Roman Empire

Please provide proof texts for this wild idea. Where in Revelation does it say the Roman Empire will be revived?

(mystery Babylon, Rev 17:5) which causes man to take its mark.

Babylon does not ask man to take its mark... Getting confused again between the Beasts, aren't you?

Daniel 7:25 and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, He will think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-12.


The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms

Correct so they can not be nations. You just claimed the kings have not received their kingdoms... but earlier you call the horns kingdoms.

as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them,

Provide paperwork for the Jesuit angle... or are we into conspiracy theory territory?

but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government: (Daughters of the Great Harlot)

There is no mention in Revelation of daughters of the Great Whore. And this list contains many more than 10 kingdoms. And all these 10 would have to agree to destroy the Whore who you indicate is the Vatican. A lot of very Catholic countries in the list below.

Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

So all in all this copy/paste is not worth the server space.
Fix the contradictions and I will be happy to review it again for you.

 

[for_his_glory]

The Darwinian Atheist cult has been established as the national cult in America through our education system, museums, parks and entertainment industry. The Catholics will fall away and fall inline with their anti-Christian mores when the Antichrist emerges on the scene and leads the Progressive crusade against the Christians. The Antichrist will alter law, by using the power he gains through the peace treaty he will make when he emerges on the scene, to backup the Progressive's worldwide calling bad good and good bad. When this happens everyone who is using the Bible in vain will "fall away" and cease to even mention the Bible in fear of being arrested. The intellectuals among them will fulfill the false prophets found in Matt 24 in order to justify realigning themselves with the anti-Christian mores.

Even Darwinian Athieist cults are that of another one of Satan's controlling powers to deceive the world into believing the father of lies. When we read 2Thessalonians 2:1-12 and see all the controlling avenues that Satan works through especially within the seven remaining nations that make up the four controlling Empires even today, especially with the last revived one then we will see who the son of perdition is and all the daughters of the harlot who sits upon many waters, which means many nations, Rev 17:1-2.

 

[Soldiers]

I would agree and be not surprised if it were confirmed 100% that the USA is Babylon, I do agree with that statement.

(Note, I'm not putting the video for watching purposes as I have not reviewed it myself, I just wanted a picture that it showed as the preface)

 

[Oseas]

I would agree and be not surprised if it were confirmed 100% that the USA is Babylon, I do agree with that statement.

(Note, I'm not putting the video for watching purposes as I have not reviewed it myself, I just wanted a picture that it showed as the preface)

- USA is not a city: -
Revelation 18:10-11 and 24
10 - Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy Judgment come.
11 - And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any
more: listed in the verses 12-13 and includes SLAVES AND SOULS OF MEN. (USA DO THIS? Don't believe)
24 - And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
That said, the USA is not Babylon mentioned in Revelation 18

The roots of Babylon(Revelation 18) is written in Revelation 13:v.2
2 And the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard (3)Greece), and his feet were as the feet of a bear(2)Medo-Persian), and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(1)Babylon): and the Dragon(Satan) gave HIM (the MAN Beast) his POWER, and his SEAT, and great AUTHORITY.

Revelation 2:9 and 13 :
9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not (Romans 9:v.6), but are the synagogue of Satan.
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.