Theological Stew

[gordon777]

This was your first step into doubt and darkness. You believed the story of Jesus based on the writings of the Gospel but doubted the veracity of the authors. Embracing this inconsistency led to further doubt.

Nobody has to take a step into darkness, all are in that, blind leaders of the blind, both falling into the ditch, blinded by the god of this world, under the power of satan and darkness.

 

[gordon777]

Are we reading the same thread? I believe 100% in the saving grace of the sacrifice of Jesus! How many times do I have to repeat this? Claiming the gospels are the truth but the authors are not who they are claimed is in no way preaching doubt! I‘ve challenged you to present evidence proving me wrong.


How can a claim that Nicodemus, James, Silas recording the words of Peter, and John wrote eyewitness accounts of their time with Jesus, be preaching doubts? These men are MORE proof of the Gospels being true than Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Your statement makes no sense.

No, people do not read the same thread, they have divisions, and are not bellief in the non divided Jesus Christ.


Why would it matter if the bible writers might have delayed to write what Jesus did, when while Jesus was with them, they were told the Holy Ghost would come to them to tell them all things Jesus had done and spoken ?

Also told HIs words remain when the world is gone, they are hardly going to disappear just because a person does not write them down quickly.

 

[gordon777]

We are to have faith in Jesus Christ, or be as this whole forum shows itself to be, lovers of themselves more than lovers of God/having a form of godliness.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Nobody has to take a step into darkness, all are in that, blind leaders of the blind, both falling into the ditch, blinded by the god of this world, under the power of satan and darkness.

Well, it is certainly possible to walk from light into darkness. Starting following Jesus by doubting the veracity of the scriptures is an example of this.

 

[Tenchi]

I don't know what this means because it could mean several different things. A fictional story isn't judged as "good" on the same basis as the biographical story of someone's life is, or on the same basis as the story of an actual event in history will be. What, then, do you mean by "a good story"? According to what standard?

Bibleinvestigations wrote: "a nonbeliever searching for answers reading the story of Jesus with unknown authors says, “Yah right, you expect me to believe this?”

But the authors aren't unknown. And how many people reading the Gospels for the first time are doing so thinking that the accounts are written by unknown authors? Why should an individual's skepticism about the authorship of the Gospels be the basis upon which the Gospels stand or fall as historical accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus? Can't such skepticism exist for reasons that have nothing to do with the historicity of the accounts? Some folks doubt the Gospels simply because they don't want them to be true; they don't want to think they're a sinner in need of a Savior; they don't want there to be a God to whom they must give an account; they don't want anyone over them, directing their lives, and so on. How does mere skepticism, then, serve as a useful basis for determining the objective (not subjective) historical value of the accounts?

If the story of Jesus cannot be validated through known authors, then the story of his coming v
back from the dead is just a story.

How does this follow necessarily, the one from the other? How, exactly, does being certain of the authors of the Gospel accounts serve to validate what they wrote? If they were writing of facts that were common knowledge to the people of the time, among whom the events took place, and these people could readily evaluate the truth, the accuracy, of those facts and reject them as false if they were, what does certainty about who recorded the facts add to their veracity? Imagine Bob, Joe and Suzie saw a car hit a street pole and Bob wrote down the event in his journal that was later used in prosecution of the driver. If Joe and Suzie were asked to corroborate Bob's story, could they say, "Well, if Bob wrote it, the account must be false." No, they'd have to give their own accounts and establish why those accounts were true and Bob's wasn't. What is important isn't who wrote the account but what was written. In the same way, knowing who wrote the Gospel accounts has little to no bearing on the truthfulness of what they wrote. In other words, the Gospel of John is true, not because John wrote it, but because what he wrote about actually happened.

So, the idea that the Gospel accounts can't be validated (whatever that means) until the authors of the accounts can be known with perfect certainty just doesn't follow.

I’ve lpresented the results of my investigation and pointed people to the data. It’s a theory I believe is much more credible than the one that is accepted theology.

Okay. But what might be persuasive to you isn't necessarily persuasive to the next person. Especially when your contention is merely that your theory, to you, is more "credible," the expectation that the next person ought to agree to it is unwarranted. If you're talking hard, cold, incontrovertible fact, that's a different matter; but as far as I can tell, this isn't ultimately what you're working from in your theory, just a lot of "this makes sense to me."

Prove the existing theological stew as valid and correct or prove my conclusions wrong from the data. I look forward to it!

??? Forgive my bluntness, but why should I? The simple, obvious questions I've posed to you are giving you problems, which undercuts any interest I have in further pursuing the validity of your ideas.

Doesn't chapter one put it all into scope - a performance appraisal of the beginning church? It seems like the performance of the church is a bit off and needing attention. Gee, why did John receive this vision when he is an old man in prison? More theological stew without proof? That’s a teaser in case you haven’t picked up on that.

Not following you here...

 

[gordon777]

Well, it is certainly possible to walk from light into darkness. Starting following Jesus by doubting the veracity of the scriptures is an example of this.

No, we do not go from the power of satan (darkness) to return to it.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

 

[gordon777]

Bibleinvestigations wrote: "a nonbeliever searching for answers reading the story of Jesus with unknown authors says, “Yah right, you expect me to believe this?”

But the authors aren't unknown. And how many people reading the Gospels for the first time are doing so thinking that the accounts are written by unknown authors? Why should an individual's skepticism about the authorship of the Gospels be the basis upon which the Gospels stand or fall as historical accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus? Can't such skepticism exist for reasons that have nothing to do with the historicity of the accounts? Some folks doubt the Gospels simply because they don't want them to be true; they don't want to think they're a sinner in need of a Savior; they don't want there to be a God to whom they must give an account; they don't want anyone over them, directing their lives, and so on. How does mere skepticism, then, serve as a useful basis for determining the objective (not subjective) historical value of the accounts?



How does this follow necessarily, the one from the other? How, exactly, does being certain of the authors of the Gospel accounts serve to validate what they wrote? If they were writing of facts that were common knowledge to the people of the time, among whom the events took place, and these people could readily evaluate the truth, the accuracy, of those facts and reject them as false if they were, what does certainty about who recorded the facts add to their veracity? Imagine Bob, Joe and Suzie saw a car hit a street pole and Bob wrote down the event in his journal that was later used in prosecution of the driver. If Joe and Suzie were asked to corroborate Bob's story, could they say, "Well, if Bob wrote it, the account must be false." No, they'd have to give their own accounts and establish why those accounts were true and Bob's wasn't. What is important isn't who wrote the account but what was written. In the same way, knowing who wrote the Gospel accounts has little to no bearing on the truthfulness of what they wrote. In other words, the Gospel of John is true, not because John wrote it, but because what he wrote about actually happened.

So, the idea that the Gospel accounts can't be validated (whatever that means) until the authors of the accounts can be known with perfect certainty just doesn't follow.



Okay. But what might be persuasive to you isn't necessarily persuasive to the next person. Especially when your contention is merely that your theory, to you, is more "credible," the expectation that the next person ought to agree to it is unwarranted. If you're talking hard, cold, incontrovertible fact, that's a different matter; but as far as I can tell, this isn't ultimately what you're working from in your theory, just a lot of "this makes sense to me."



??? Forgive my bluntness, but why should I? The simple, obvious questions I've posed to you are giving you problems, which undercuts any interest I have in further pursuing the validity of your ideas.



Not following you here...

Now following you either Tenchi.

Do we need to be taught that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, or God needs to give us the faith for that. ( what saves us. Romans 10:9.)

Your role /purpose in the world is over, so is it for everyone who assumes they can teach another. ( many false teachers rise to DECEIVE MANY.)



Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.


2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[Tenchi]

Now following you either Tenchi.

Not following me? Not surprised.

Do we need to be taught that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, or God needs to give us the faith for that. ( what saves us. Romans 10:9.)

Both. Obviously. If you'd simply read and understood Romans 10:9 in its context, you'd not have created the false dichotomy that you have here:

Romans 10:8-15 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
See? It is both faith and preaching together that God uses to bring a person to salvation.

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
How does a person know to do this, to make such a confession? As Paul wrote to Timothy, knowledge always precedes faith.

2 Timothy 1:12 (NASB)
12 ...I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day.
There is no separation between saving faith and knowledge: I know>I have believed>I am convinced>I have entrusted. This was Paul's journey to faith, as it is for all who hear the Gospel and believe it.

10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Here, Paul is crystal clear about the vital connection between hearing the Truth and believing it. One cannot believe in that of which one is ignorant. Obviously. And so, the idea that being taught about Christ as Savior and God providing faith to believe in Christ as Savior are separate things is unbiblical (and irrational). These things - being taught the Truth and believing it - go together, the one necessarily preceding the other.

Romans 1:16 (NASB)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

The truth of the Gospel is "the power of God unto salvation." To those who hear it and believe it, the power of God works in response to save them. There is, then, no question in Scripture of what saves a person, faith or Gospel teaching; they work together to bring a lost sinner to Christ.

Your role /purpose in the world is over, so is it for everyone who assumes they can teach another. ( many false teachers rise to DECEIVE MANY.)

??? So says the one who proposes at every turn in his posts to instruct others, who constantly contends with other posters, criticizing them personally, insinuating that they are false teachers and not even of the faith. The pot calling the kettle black, here, I think.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Do you see that phrase "every man" in this verse? It's an all-encompassing phrase that necessarily includes the non-believer. The unsaved person exercises faith in all sorts of things every day: their barber, doctor, other drivers on the road, their spouse, the newscaster on t.v., their dentist, and so on. Every person - saved and unsaved - has the capacity for faith, given to them by their Creator. Being able to believe something is not, then, the sole domain of the spiritually-regenerated person.

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

Faith itself is, again, not unique to the Christian believer. Exercising that capacity for faith in Christ, though, requires the work of the Holy Spirit who, as the lost hear the Gospel, convicts their hearts (John 16:8) and illuminates their understanding (1 Corinthians 2:10-16; 2 Timothy 2:25) so that they might be able to choose Christ as their Savior and Lord.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

If you think that this verse is a parallel to Romans 12:3 merely because it uses the two words you've bolded, you misunderstand how to legitimately exegete Scripture. The faith of Romans 12:3 is a capacity for faith given, in various measures, by God to everybody, saved and unsaved. The "faith" of Ephesians 4:13 is the Christian religion, not the capacity to believe something. And in Romans 12:3 the word "measure" refers to the degree to which God has given someone the capacity for faith. In Ephesians 4:13, though, "measure" refers to the standard of perfection ("maturity," or "full growth") which is the "fulness of Christ." And so, though these verse use the same words, they are talking about widely different things. This is why simply snatching verses out of their context and stringing them together because they use the same words is a terrible way to handle God's word.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

No, we do not go from the power of satan (darkness) to return to it.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Jesus told a parable about people falling away from the faith which is, by definition, walking away from the light. It certainly happens and the Bible says it can. I listened today to a couple of people who discussed their journey out of christianity. Some had had a profound salvation experience.

 

[gordon777]

Both. Obviously. If you'd simply read and understood Romans 10:9 in its context, you'd not have created the false dichotomy that you have here:

Romans 10:8-15 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
See? It is both faith and preaching together that God uses to bring a person to salvation.

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Yes you have a false dichotomy.

You cannot teach like Apostle Paul, because we know the manner of life of the Apostle Paul, but you, we see only disputing on a forum.


2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

 

[gordon777]

How does a person know to do this, to make such a confession? As Paul wrote to Timothy, knowledge always precedes faith.

2 Timothy 1:12 (NASB)
12 ...I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day.

Now anyone can see the dichotomy you follow falsely, just look at what is said, that you are UNABLE to show is anything to do with you Tenchi, ( or anyone else of that same dichotomy on this forum iwith various names.)

We know Apostle Paul always is reminded of us to be in the afflictions of the Gospel, ( this is how we know his doctrine and manner of life.) and we were given this knowledge in Christ Jesus before the world began.


2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[gordon777]

There is no separation between saving faith and knowledge: I know>I have believed>I am convinced>I have entrusted. This was Paul's journey to faith, as it is for all who hear the Gospel and believe it.

10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

The knowledge that puffs people up, is separate from faith, because it is not faithful.

The preacher has to have the doctrine of Jesus Christ, ( in the same afflictions of Christ.) or it is a false teacher. ( many told to deceive many now.)

So far the false dichotomy you follow, is to present yourself a teacher, instead of highlight the true teachers of God had proof of who they were. ( the wolves who entered the flock, gather grapes of thorns.)



Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

 

[gordon777]

??? So says the one who proposes at every turn in his posts to instruct others, who constantly contends with other posters, criticizing them personally, insinuating that they are false teachers and not even of the faith. The pot calling the kettle black, here, I think.

Yes, I say you are all talk, and the great swelling words predicted for the end are to deceive people.

Then you cannot show you have the doctrine of the true Apostles of the Lord, ( in afflictions) but there are other apostles who came to "teach" instead. Is that not clear for all of your false dichotomy. ( either the true Apostle are right, or Tenchi is, of who to hear./be taught by)



2 Thessalonians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Philippians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

 

[gordon777]

Do you see that phrase "every man" in this verse? It's an all-encompassing phrase that necessarily includes the non-believer. The unsaved person exercises faith in all sorts of things every day: their barber, doctor, other drivers on the road, their spouse, the newscaster on t.v., their dentist, and so on. Every person - saved and unsaved - has the capacity for faith, given to them by their Creator. Being able to believe something is not, then, the sole domain of the spiritually-regenerated person.

False dichotomy as always.


2 Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.



Fath is then reasonable and non wicked men.

 

[gordon777]

Faith itself is, again, not unique to the Christian believer. Exercising that capacity for faith in Christ, though, requires the work of the Holy Spirit who, as the lost hear the Gospel, convicts their hearts (John 16:8) and illuminates their understanding (1 Corinthians 2:10-16; 2 Timothy 2:25) so that they might be able to choose Christ as their Savior and Lord.

Great swelling words, mean you try to teach Tenchi, when nobody needs to be deceived. ( by many false prophet/teachers, rising to deceive many.)

Do you think making good sounding words is credible anymore, and not that everyone can see false dichotomy now. ( this is being revealed, you are not showing you can teach at all to anyone.)


How is this not what Tenchi, ( and others, under various names on the forum) are doing, to teach divisions by good words and fair speeches. ( seeking advantage of men/alluring them through the flesh.)

Gods word is not for vanity as people speaking on the forum, it is fulfilled, they wont stop, they will coin tinue to fulfil all that is witnessed below.


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

 

[gordon777]

If you think that this verse is a parallel to Romans 12:3 merely because it uses the two words you've bolded, you misunderstand how to legitimately exegete Scripture. The faith of Romans 12:3 is a capacity for faith given, in various measures, by God to everybody, saved and unsaved. The "faith" of Ephesians 4:13 is the Christian religion, not the capacity to believe something. And in Romans 12:3 the word "measure" refers to the degree to which God has given someone the capacity for faith. In Ephesians 4:13, though, "measure" refers to the standard of perfection ("maturity," or "full growth") which is the "fulness of Christ." And so, though these verse use the same words, they are talking about widely different things. This is why simply snatching verses out of their context and stringing them together because they use the same words is a terrible way to handle God's word.

I think you are seen to be what Romans 12:3 speaks of, and are not getting anywhere at all by doing what God said they try to do, and can no longer do. ( just foolish wisdom of this world.)

Every man is given faith, to not be caught by what those spoken of in Ephesians 4, do, with their every wind of doctrine, their sleight, their cunning craftiness they lie in wait to deceive with, as there is ONE FAITH


Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;




Every wind of doctrine they can be seen using on this forum, is also highlighted more in Jude, they are carried about of winds, ( their every wind of false dichotomy.)



jude1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

 

[Tenchi]

Yes you have a false dichotomy.

You cannot teach like Apostle Paul, because we know the manner of life of the Apostle Paul, but you, we see only disputing on a forum.

Uh huh. Pot and kettle, gordon777, pot and kettle.

Now anyone can see the dichotomy you follow falsely, just look at what is said, that you are UNABLE to show is anything to do with you Tenchi, ( or anyone else of that same dichotomy on this forum iwith various names.)

We know Apostle Paul always is reminded of us to be in the afflictions of the Gospel, ( this is how we know his doctrine and manner of life.) and we were given this knowledge in Christ Jesus before the world began.

Uh huh. Personal attack is not a valid form of argument; your views are not established by attacking my person.

The knowledge that puffs people up, is separate from faith, because it is not faithful.

Do you actually ever stop and think seriously about these sorts of nonsensical statements that you make?

The preacher has to have the doctrine of Jesus Christ, ( in the same afflictions of Christ.) or it is a false teacher. ( many told to deceive many now.)

So why, then, are you always promoting false doctrine?

So far the false dichotomy you follow, is to present yourself a teacher, instead of highlight the true teachers of God had proof of who they were. ( the wolves who entered the flock, gather grapes of thorns.)

See, this sort of remark demonstrates that you don't really understand what a false dichotomy is.

Yes, I say you are all talk, and the great swelling words predicted for the end are to deceive people.

Uh huh. So what? Why should anyone care what you think or say? As far as I can see, you're either way off-base in your views on Christian doctrine, or projecting the very issues you have onto others. These things don't inspire me to consider your words with the slightest seriousness.

You have this odd practice of scatter-posting Scripture passages and verses. You remind me of a high school kid in English class who writes an essay without properly studying out the topic and hopes that, if he writes a lot, the teacher won't notice his ignorance.

Great swelling words, mean you try to teach Tenchi, when nobody needs to be deceived. ( by many false prophet/teachers, rising to deceive many.)

Do you think making good sounding words is credible anymore, and not that everyone can see false dichotomy now. ( this is being revealed, you are not showing you can teach at all to anyone.)


How is this not what Tenchi, ( and others, under various names on the forum) are doing, to teach divisions by good words and fair speeches. ( seeking advantage of men/alluring them through the flesh.)

Gods word is not for vanity as people speaking on the forum, it is fulfilled, they wont stop, they will coin tinue to fulfil all that is witnessed below.

Uh huh. Beat that drum of ad hominem, gordon777. It seems you've got nothing else but complaint and personal attacks to offer, as far as I can see. Why not spend your energy learning to handle God's word properly?

I think you are seen to be what Romans 12:3 speaks of, and are not getting anywhere at all by doing what God said they try to do, and can no longer do. ( just foolish wisdom of this world.)

Every man is given faith, to not be caught by what those spoken of in Ephesians 4, do, with their every wind of doctrine, their sleight, their cunning craftiness they lie in wait to deceive with, as there is ONE FAITH

Just more deflection and ad hominem. Don't you get bored with playing these same notes over and over again? I guess not...

 

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Any further personal attacks or other violations of the ToS will result in removal from this thread.

 

[Free]

As for who wrote the gospels, this is an interesting article:

https://isjesusalive.com/who-wrote-the-gospels/

 

[gordon777]

Uh huh. Pot and kettle, gordon777, pot and kettle.



Uh huh. Personal attack is not a valid form of argument; your views are not established by attacking my person.



Do you actually ever stop and think seriously about these sorts of nonsensical statements that you make?



So why, then, are you always promoting false doctrine?



See, this sort of remark demonstrates that you don't really understand what a false dichotomy is.



Uh huh. So what? Why should anyone care what you think or say? As far as I can see, you're either way off-base in your views on Christian doctrine, or projecting the very issues you have onto others. These things don't inspire me to consider your words with the slightest seriousness.

You have this odd practice of scatter-posting Scripture passages and verses. You remind me of a high school kid in English class who writes an essay without properly studying out the topic and hopes that, if he writes a lot, the teacher won't notice his ignorance.



Uh huh. Beat that drum of ad hominem, gordon777. It seems you've got nothing else but complaint and personal attacks to offer, as far as I can see. Why not spend your energy learning to handle God's word properly?



Just more deflection and ad hominem. Don't you get bored with playing these same notes over and over again? I guess not...

One moment the teacher teaches everything, next they have no more teaching ?

Is it the standard way to say, ears are closed, they wont take anything serious, to read any more ?



The example of the Apostles can be trusted, do you simply not agree that we can follow the advise that speaks by example, rather than the advice of forums that speak words, and no examples, you know the difference between light and darkness, we see in the light all the Apostles did in the world, but the rest of peoples examples, we do not know about, especially as they may be hidden wolves or about to do evil, and they would then be misleading examples around us in this life.


What is in scripture saves us, and cant lie, what people speak, cannot be verified the same way.


1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

3 John 1:12 Demetrius hath good report of all men, and of the truth itself: yea, and we also bear record; and ye know that our record is true.