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Bible Study There is no SIN in our modern world

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THERE IS NO SIN IN OUR MODERN WORLD
PREFACE: We haven't really wiped out sin. Instead it's all been relabeled as either 'Illness' or 'Crime'. And, of course there is no forgiveness for illness and crime (but that would warrant another study: 'There is No Forgiveness in Our Modern World'). But before we launch the study/discussion about sin, I'd like to ask, "Have you said or mentioned the word 'sin' to your kids in the last month? In the last year?" --You don't need to answer here, and I'm sure that some have, just as I am sure that we could all do better in this regard. Nobody teaches about sin and few even mention it anymore.​

Sin
"Sin is any lack of conformity, active or passive, to the moral law of God. This may be a matter of act, of thought, or of inner disposition or state (Millard Erickson, Christian Theology, 578)." The theological term for the study if sin is hamartiology from the Greek hamartia for sin, error, or missing the mark. The Apostle Paul used the verb hamartano when he wrote, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

R.C. Sproul writes:
"In the least transgression I set myself above the authority of God, doing insult to His majesty, His holiness,and His sovereign right to govern me. Sin is a revolutionary act in which the sinner seeks to depose God from His throne. Sin is a presumption of supreme arrogance in that the creature vaunts his own wisdom above that of the Creator, challenges divine omnipotence with human impotence, and seeks to usurp the rightful authority of the cosmic Lord (R.C. Sproul. Ethics and the Christian [1989], p. 20)."​

There are no precise biblical definitions of sin. That's because the bible is more concerned with the remedy to sin. This study will present Scripture in the form of a word study more so than attempt to present a definition. Like so many things we find with the LORD, understanding what sin is involves a progressive revelation.

Greek and Hebrew words for Sin
Biblical words for sin
Hebrew
The Old Testament uses 6 different nouns and 3 verbs to describe sin:

râ râh
This term is used more than 600 times and is most often translated as "evil" or "bad". It carries the implication of something that is contrary to God's nature.
Strong's #7451
7451 ra` rah from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):-- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).

chatâ'âh
This term is used almost 300 times and is most often translated as "sin" or "offense". It carries the implication of that which is deserving of punishment.
Strong's #2403
Strong's #2403 chatta'ah khat-taw-aw' or chattacth {khat-tawth'}; from 2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender:--punishment (of sin), purifying(-fication for sin), sin(-ner, offering).

râshâw
This term is used more than 250 times and is most often translated as "wicked". It carries the implication of something that is morally wrong.
Strong's #7563
7563 rasha` raw-shaw' (from 7561); morally wrong; concretely, an (actively) bad person:--+ condemned, guilty, ungodly, wicked (man), that did wrong.

âvôn
This term is used more than 200 times and is most often translated as "iniquity" It carries the implication of being perverse, crooked or twisted.
Strong's #5771
5771 `avon aw-vone' or oavown (2 Kings 7:9; Psalm 51:5 (7)) {aw-vone'}; from 5753; perversity, i.e. (moral) evil:--fault, iniquity, mischeif, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

peshah
This term is used almost 100 times and is most often translated as "transgression" It carries the implication of rebellion.
Strong's #6588.
6588 pesha` peh'-shah from 6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious):--rebellion, sin, transgression, trespass.

'âsham
This term is used more than 30 times and is most often translated as "guilty". It carries the implication of offense or trespass.
Strong's # 816
816 'asham aw-sham' or mashem {aw-shame'}; a primitive root; to be guilty; by implication to be punished or perish:--X certainly, be(-come, made) desolate, destroy, X greatly, be(-come, found, hold) guilty, offend (acknowledge offence), trespass.
817 'asham aw-shawm' from 816; guilt; by implication, a fault; also a sin-offering:--guiltiness, (offering for) sin, trespass (offering).
818 'ashem aw-shame' from 816; guilty; hence, presenting a sin- offering:--one which is faulty, guilty.

tâw âh
50 hits A primitive root; to vacillate, that is, reel or stray (literally or figuratively); also causatively of both: - (cause to) go astray, deceive, dissemble, (cause to, make to) err, pant, seduce, (make to) stagger, (cause to) wander, be out of the way.
Strong's #8582
8582 ta`ah taw-aw' a primitive root; to vacillate, i.e. reel or stray (literally or figuratively); also causative of both:--(cause to) go astray, deceive, dissemble, (cause to, make to) err, pant, seduce, (make to) stagger, (cause to) wander, be out of the way.

pâshah
41 hits A primitive root (rather identical with H6585 through the idea of expansion); to break away (from just authority), that is, trespass, apostatize, quarrel: - offend, rebel, revolt, transgress (-ion, -or).
Strong's #6586
6586 pasha` paw-shah' a primitive root (identical with 6585 through the idea of expansion); to break away (from just authority), i.e. trespass, apostatize, quarrel:--offend, rebel, revolt, transgress(-ion, -or).
6588 pesha` peh'-shah from 6586; a revolt (national, moral or religious):--rebellion, sin, transgression, trespass.

shâgâh
21 hits A primitive root; to stray (causatively mislead), usually (figuratively) to mistake, especially (morally) to transgress; by extension (through the idea of intoxication) to reel, (figuratively) be enraptured: - (cause to) go astray, deceive, err, be ravished, sin through ignorance, (let, make to) wander.
Strong's #7686
7686 shagah shaw-gaw' a primitive root; to stray (causatively, mislead), usually (figuratively) to mistake, especially (morally) to transgress; by extension (through the idea of intoxication) to reel, (figuratively) be enraptured:--(cause to) go astray, deceive, err, be ravished, sin through ignorance, (let, make to) wander.
7691 shgiy'ah sheg-ee-aw' from
7686; a moral mistake:--error. 7692 shiggayown shig-gaw-yone' or shiggayonah {shig-gaw-yo-naw'}; from 7686; properly, aberration, i.e. (technically) a dithyramb or rambling poem:--Shiggaion, Shigionoth.
 
Greek nouns
hamartia
174 hits From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful).
Strong's #266
266. hamartia ham-ar-tee'-ah from 264; a sin (properly abstract):--offence, sin(-ful).

paraptoma
23 hits From G3895; a side slip (lapse or deviation), that is, (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression: - fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass. (Galatians 6:1)
Strong's #3900
3900. paraptoma par-ap'-to-mah from 3895; a side-slip (lapse or deviation), i.e. (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression:--fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass.

parabasis
7 hits From G3845; violation: - breaking, transgression.
Strong's #3847
3847. parabasis par-ab'-as-is from 3845; violation:--breaking, transgression.

asebeia
6 hits From G765; impiety, that is, (by implication) wickedness: - ungodly (-liness). (Romans 1:18)
Strong's #763
763. asebeia as-eb'-i-ah from 765; impiety, i.e. (by implication) wickedness:--ungodly(-liness).

hamartema
4 hits From G264; a sin (properly concrete): - sin.
Strong's #265
265. hamartema ham-ar'-tay-mah from 264; a sin (properly concrete):--sin.

Greek adjectives
poneros
76 hits From a derivative of G4192; hurtful, that is, evil (properly in effect or influence, and thus differing from G2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from G4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively calamitous; also (passively) ill, that is, diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, that is, derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: - bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked (-ness). See also G4191. (Matthew 5:45)
Strong's #4190
4190. poneros pon-ay-ros' from a derivative of 4192; hurtful, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence, and thus differing from 2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from 4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners:--bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked(-ness). See also 4191.
4191. poneroteros pon-ay-rot'-er-os comparative of 4190; more evil:--more wicked.
4550. sapros sap-ros' from 4595; rotten, i.e. worthless (literally or morally):--bad, corrupt. Compare 4190 (above).

kakos
51 hits Apparently a primary word; worthless (intrinsically such; whereas G4190 properly refers to effects), that is, (subjectively) depraved, or (objectively) injurious: - bad, evil, harm, ill, noisome, wicked. (Romans 13:3)
Strong's #2556
2551. kakologeo kak-ol-og-eh'-o from a compound of 2556 and 3056; to revile:--curse, speak evil of.
2555. kakopoios kak-op-oy-os' from 2556 and 4160; a bad-doer; (specially), a criminal:--evil-doer, malefactor.
2556. kakos kak-os' apparently a primary word; worthless (intrinsically, such; whereas 4190 properly refers to effects), i.e. (subjectively) depraved, or (objectively) injurious:--bad, evil, harm, ill, noisome, wicked.
2557. kakourgos kak-oor'-gos from 2556 and the base of 2041; a wrong-doer, i.e. criminal:--evil-doer, malefactor.
2558. kakoucheo kak-oo-kheh'-o from a presumed compound of 2556 and 2192; to maltreat:--which suffer adversity, torment.
2559. kakoo kak-o'-o from 2556; to injure; figuratively, to exasperate:--make evil affected, entreat evil, harm, hurt, vex.
2560. kakos kak-oce' from 2556; badly (physically or morally):--amiss, diseased, evil, grievously, miserably, sick, sore.

adikos
12 hits From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1349; unjust; by extension wicked; by implication treacherous; specifically heathen: - unjust, unrighteous. (I Corinthians 6:9)
Strong's #94
91. adikeo ad-ee-keh'-o from 94; to be unjust, i.e. (actively) do wrong (morally, socially or physically):--hurt, injure, be an offender, be unjust, (do, suffer, take) wrong.
93. adikia ad-ee-kee'-ah from 94; (legal) injustice (properly, the quality, by implication, the act); morally, wrongfulness (of character, life or act):--iniquity, unjust, unrighteousness, wrong.
94. adikos ad'-ee-kos from 1 (as a negative particle) and 1349; unjust; by extension wicked; by implication, treacherous; specially, heathen:--unjust, unrighteous. 95. adikos ad-ee'-koce adverb from 94; unjustly:--wrongfully.

anomos
10 hits From G1 (as a negative particle) and G3551; lawless, that is, (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication a Gentile), or (positively) wicked: - without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked. (I Timothy 1:9)
Strong's #459
458. anomia an-om-ee'-ah from 459; illegality, i.e. violation of law or (genitive case) wickedness:--iniquity, X transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.
459. anomos an'-om-os from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; lawless, i.e. (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication, a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:--without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked. 460. anomos an-om'-oce adverb from 459; lawlessly, i.e. (specially) not amenable to (the Jewish) law:--without law.

enochos
10 hits From G1758; liable to (a condition, penalty or imputation): - in danger of, guilty of, subject to. (Matthew 5:21)
Strong's #1777
1777. enochos en'-okh-os from 1758; liable to (a condition, penalty or imputation):--in danger of, guilty of, subject to.

Greek verbs
hamartano
43 hits Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass. (I Corinthians 6:18)
Strong's #264
264. hamartano ham-ar-tan'-o perhaps from 1 (as a negative particle) and the base of 3313; properly, to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), i.e. (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin:--for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.
265. hamartema ham-ar'-tay-mah from 264; a sin (properly concrete):--sin.
266. hamartia ham-ar-tee'-ah from 264; a sin (properly abstract):--offence, sin(-ful).
268. hamartolos ham-ar-to-los' from 264; sinful, i.e. a sinner:--sinful, sinner.
361. anamartetos an-am-ar'-tay-tos from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 264; sinless:--that is without sin.
4258. proamartano pro-am-ar-tan'-o from 4253 and 264; to sin previously (to conversion):--sin already, heretofore sin.

planao
39 hits From G4106; to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue): - go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way. (I Corinthians 6:9)
Strong's #4105
635. apoplanao ap-op-lan-ah'-o from 575 and 4105; to lead astray (figuratively); passively, to stray (from truth):--err, seduce.
4105. planao plan-ah'-o from 4106; to (properly, cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue):--go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.

parabaino
4 hits From G3844 and the base of G939; to go contrary to, that is, violate a command: - (by) transgress (-ion).
Strong's #3845
531. aparabatos ap-ar-ab'-at-os from 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of 3845; not passing away, i.e. untransferable (perpetual):-- unchangeable.
3845. parabaino par-ab-ah'-ee-no from 3844 and the base of 939; to go contrary to, i.e. violate a command:--(by) transgress(-ion).
3847. parabasis par-ab'-as-is from 3845; violation:--breaking, transgression.
3848. parabates par-ab-at'-ace from 3845; a violator:--breaker, transgress(-or).
 
In Conclusion:
As we consider our need to train our children in the ways of the LORD we must also look to their world and look for their helps. Apart from Sunday School kids never hear about sin. The media has relabeled sin as 'Crime' and/or 'Illness'. Their brainwash techniques bombard this message ('there is no such thing as sin, there is no such thing as sin') almost constantly to us through so many avenues. Television, movies, magazines, recordings --CDs and MP3s and etc. Social Media and online blogs have joined in and we do hear all manner of abuses. I'd bet that our kids can quickly come up with several kinds of 'abuse' including physical domestic, psychological/emotional, neglect, and of course, sexual abuse which even 3 year old children know about - and need to know about so they are equipped to discuss if/when it happens to them. But can they do the same with sin? If we asked our children to list several categories of sin, how many could? How many of us could?

It's time to change, to go back to those places where God taught us about sin conversationally with our children (and with anybody who will listen) in order to honor Him in all things. The 1st Commandment is under attack. No sin? Warped sense of forgiveness (which would require a different study) and then? <No God>. That's the ultimate goal of the world system and its media, isn't it?

Sin is first learned as something outward before it is learned as something inward. It's first learned in the things that are seen; our sins against our brothers and sisters, against our neighbors. But ultimately all sin is committed against God.

Only gradually does the doctrine of sin unfold throughout the centuries of Gods' dealing with the human family. It is my hope that others will join in this study. That they will grab their concordances and begin to look for different kinds of sin as taught in the bible and then, after prayerful consideration, contribute here what the Holy Spirit has shared with them.

1 John 2:16 Gal 5:16
 
you know...even non-Christians have written on this. Like, Dr.Thomas Szasz, since you mentioned illness. He was a (non-believer) psychiatrist who attempted to debunk psychiatry. Foucault, the (homosexual, non-believer) philosopher wrote on this from a post-modern perspective in Madness and Civilization and I think Abnormal, too. Sociologists have written some on it, too.

Anyway, I think its interesting. Also, I think you're right on about no redemption or forgiveness in modern world. If you're sent off to prison, you're a convicted felon. The best most people get then is "s/he paid his debt to society," and that's about it. If your sins are labeled "illness," then you might get the "cruel compassion" of "well, s/he has (mental illness here) and is in treatment." That's not actual forgiveness.

The felony almost always stays on your records forever. The mental illness label, too, even if you stop being crazy. Even people with addictions are forever "addicts" in need of "treatment."

I used to think (before I got saved, obviously) that the concept of "sin" was harsh and punitive. Clearly, I didn't get the point (and I thought like everybody else in secular society, lol). The Good News offers forgiveness, compassion, and redemption. Modern day society, for all the talk about "tolerance" and "reducing stigma," offers none of those things.
 
THERE IS NO SIN IN OUR MODERN WORLD

Wow, Awesome Teaching. Free to do what I want now. If Sin is already paid for, then all good to go.
Also liked that Spoiler thing you did, never noticed that before.

I am sure there was more in the post about "not sinning" but I don't want to ruin it for myself.

It starts with Children. A generation brought up on Disney which make parents to look dumb and not in the know while the kids have all the answers. You got that right.
 
I am sure there was more in the post about "not sinning" but I don't want to ruin it for myself.
They got rid of sin but that's not the target. That's not the goal. Elimination of the 1st Commandment lets all manner of things to go forward as they pretend that they are the true child. There will come a moment when the elect will need the Holy Spirit as Solomon -- to threaten to split the baby -- and to reveal the truth, who the church, who the "mother" is.

For now, those who don't abide with the 1st commandment, "Love GOD above all else," are free to develop their appearances. They can make it look like they have the agape love of God flowing between them, one for another and that they show it better than the Christians do. My sister told me that she was attending a church in San Francisco that did exactly that and I began to ponder, "Why? Why do sinners love each other better than we do?" They lie. They have come through persecution. They are stronger. But that's just for a moment.

It is our promise. That the heathen will know US for the love that we have one for another.

It is OUR rainbow! OURS!
 
Oh! there are so many anecdotes and so many well published stories.

Somebody, in defense of their 'lifestyle' choices, comes to teach us about the fallacy of following God and the absurdity of the idea of sin itself. They say, "What? What is this?" They have taken their mockery to the levels of an art form. They point to where God said don't mix milk and meat? Don't mix linen and wool?!? The media picks this up and we see articles about the "Puzzling Kosher Law". They say He said a bunch of stuff about unclean that makes no sense whatsoever in our modern world. And they say it in such ways that every word, each phrase is a sound-byte. Expressions flow that are very clear and so very loaded. It is communication at its finest.

But He was NOT teaching about sin. As he spoke of such things He was teaching about HOLINESS but that too would be yet another thread. For now, understand that we are to separate ourselves and to remain distinct from the world. We are to be HOLY because our Father is. The requirements of the Law of Moses bring us to Christ, to the cross of Jesus where forgiveness is our FREE gift. He may also have been teaching how to obey. They way that I used to do that with my kids is to just tell them to do what I said, simply because I said it.

Then I reversed things and let them command me. They could tell me, "Dad. Sit on your hands," and I was determined that if it was not sin and if I was able, I would obey my 3 year old. What fun, right? Then it was my turn. They were told to do things that had no relevance except they were to obey. No, I'm not trying to say that's what God did, but I am certain that one of the biggest challenges He faced was the challenge of those stubborn and stiff-necked people. So what if He was very, very clear down to the smallest detail. That's His way and it means that He loves us all the way from the tip of our heads to the bottom of our toes. He really cares. There's other things that it means too but I've strayed too far off subject and frankly I too am mystified by somethings our Father does. What man knows His whole mind? Not me.

Sin is missing the mark. We are to run the race and keep the goal of crossing the finish line in mind. We don't yet know what we shall be but we will be like HIM! We need to join together to accomplish this and we, more than anything, need His Spirit Holy in us. So much that not only we see it but so do the heathen. Missing that mark is sin. That is the evidence of the sin of unbelief.

We know that it is the job of the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. We know that we shall see Him even as He sees us. But how? Here's the clue: The Spirit Holy is the OIL. That's what we are told to do if we want to be counted as one of the 5 wise virgins and avoid the gnashing of teeth. Be ye filled with the Spirit wherein there is NO EXCESS.
 
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They got rid of sin but that's not the target. That's not the goal. Elimination of the 1st Commandment lets all manner of things to go forward as they pretend that they are the true child. There will come a moment when the elect will need the Holy Spirit as Solomon -- to threaten to split the baby -- and to reveal the truth, who the church, who the "mother" is.

For now, those who don't abide with the 1st commandment, "Love GOD above all else," are free to develop their appearances. They can make it look like they have the agape love of God flowing between them, one for another and that they show it better than the Christians do. My sister told me that she was attending a church in San Francisco that did exactly that and I began to ponder, "Why? Why do sinners love each other better than we do?" They lie. They have come through persecution. They are stronger. But that's just for a moment.

It is our promise. That the heathen will know US for the love that we have one for another.

It is OUR rainbow! OURS!
"Why? Why do sinners love each other better than we do?"
A good question. It would be rather simple and even partly/mostly correct to say they don't truly, that sinners just aren't capable of true love, real love. And perhaps that is true, well, I think so anyway... but, there are two sides to the question: why do sinners (appear) to love each other better and why do Christians love each other less.
And while we might sit back rather comfortably on the (most likely) truth of sinners not truly loving outside of God, we, who are called of God, who are the true child, must grapple with the uncomfortable but equal truth that we are ... less than loving.
(great study!!!!!)
 
Romans 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it isevident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Modern times tries so hard to not lawfully use the law. I have no problem with using the law to start us on the road to identifying sin. Keeping the law will not justify us though. Just Jesus justifies. The Holy Spirit inside us identifies sin, makes us aware of righteousness, judgement too.

I hear a lot that the law is gone. The unlawfull use is not active. Shadows are not needed where the reality of Jesus Christ is now revealed.

The faulty understanding of
Romans 1:32
Romans 2:1
Leave many without the ability to identify and deal with sin. Condemnation (that should have been removed by accepting Jesus) eats folks alive also.

Great start on the thread .

eddif
 
"Why? Why do sinners love each other better than we do?"
A good question. It would be rather simple and even partly/mostly correct to say they don't truly, that sinners just aren't capable of true love, real love. And perhaps that is true, well, I think so anyway... but, there are two sides to the question: why do sinners (appear) to love each other better and why do Christians love each other less.
And while we might sit back rather comfortably on the (most likely) truth of sinners not truly loving outside of God, we, who are called of God, who are the true child, must grapple with the uncomfortable but equal truth that we are ... less than loving.
(great study!!!!!)
I happen to think I love sinners more than they do.
 
I happen to think I love sinners more than they do.

I am not sold on this either. Every where at my church Faith Life church, we have something called Celebration Sunday. We fill tents with very expensive items. computers, a huge room full of cloths, everything, and it must be new. We don't let people bring their used junk to sow.

We have rides, food, and all kinds of stuff going on. We even have cars to give to people.

We also invite the public. They get a colored ticket and they go into the tent of that color to pick an item. Church members can get tickets also, but I don't bother, even if it is the computer tent with expensive stuff.

These sinners will fight over items, get in fights on who got in line first, fight someone over a shirt someone else grabbed. It's horrible what goes on, and what is said.

sinners don't stick with you if there is no benefit to them, back stab you.

I wish we just had the rides and did not give away stuff. It's like going to the zoo when all the unsaved get together and start battling it out. We also have a strong local police force there to help break up the fighting.
 
I am not sold on this either. Every where at my church Faith Life church, we have something called Celebration Sunday. We fill tents with very expensive items. computers, a huge room full of cloths, everything, and it must be new. We don't let people bring their used junk to sow.

We have rides, food, and all kinds of stuff going on. We even have cars to give to people.

We also invite the public. They get a colored ticket and they go into the tent of that color to pick an item. Church members can get tickets also, but I don't bother, even if it is the computer tent with expensive stuff.

These sinners will fight over items, get in fights on who got in line first, fight someone over a shirt someone else grabbed. It's horrible what goes on, and what is said.

sinners don't stick with you if there is no benefit to them, back stab you.

I wish we just had the rides and did not give away stuff. It's like going to the zoo when all the unsaved get together and start battling it out. We also have a strong local police force there to help break up the fighting.
That sounds pretty bad, but what else could you expect from someone who isn't guided by the Holy Spirit?
 
THERE IS NO SIN IN OUR MODERN WORLD
PREFACE: We haven't really wiped out sin. Instead it's all been relabeled as either 'Illness' or 'Crime'. And, of course there is no forgiveness for illness and crime (but that would warrant another study: 'There is No Forgiveness in Our Modern World'). But before we launch the study/discussion about sin, I'd like to ask, "Have you said or mentioned the word 'sin' to your kids in the last month? In the last year?" --You don't need to answer here, and I'm sure that some have, just as I am sure that we could all do better in this regard. Nobody teaches about sin and few even mention it anymore.


Wow!

I thought for a minute there you have gone Preterist on us.


Thanks, JLB
 
anomos
10 hits From G1 (as a negative particle) and G3551; lawless, that is, (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication a Gentile), or (positively) wicked: - without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked. (I Timothy 1:9)
Strong's #459
Result of search for "459":
458.
anomia an-om-ee'-ah from 459; illegality, i.e. violation of law or (genitive case) wickedness:--iniquity, X transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

459. anomos an'-om-os from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; lawless, i.e. (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication, a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:--without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked. 460. anomos an-om'-oce adverb from 459; lawlessly, i.e. (specially) not amenable to (the Jewish) law:--without law.
Some may know that even in my old age (advanced years? I'm still a young 61 -- until June, that is) I still love going to school. They allow attendance for seniors on a space available, non-credit basis for a total charge (except books) of $5 a quarter and they call us "Lifelong Learners". :nod Little do they know that I didn't get my GED until I was 49 <wink>. And part of what I like is just hanging around with the kids. Some are younger than college age because of the 'Running Start' program that let's students get their AA alongside of their High School diploma.

So don't be too surprised to find out that I know more about the 'next generation' than many old timers would. Part of the concern that I have with what their culture teaches them involves what you might think of when you think about student life at college. PARTIES! And along with that comes the inevitable fornication. Kids don't have any problem talking about it either. Of course there are consequences that they will face. We did too, back in the day. One of the consequences for me was to quit school and go to work when I was 17 'cause I wanted to support a family. That's bad enough but today, there is more to it then missing a class or two or (heaven forbid) teen-age pregnancy and that's where the word 'anomos' or lawlessness comes in.

Our children, across the nation, are not subject to God's law about fornication. Well, that's not precisely true (see Lev 4:13, 27; Lev 5:17; and especially Luke 12:47-48). But they do they exclude themselves. They don't excuse themselves because that would imply and the position that is most frequent is, "That's just what everybody does." Like as if there is safety in numbers. Nobody knows the 4 things that Paul taught as essentials for newly converted Gentiles as found in the Book of Acts, chapter 15 and verse 29
...that you abstain from:
  1. what has been sacrificed to idols
  2. and from blood
  3. and from what has been strangled
  4. and from sexual immorality
If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
They simply do not subject themselves to laws against fornication. That's part of their earliest education. They are educated about sexual immorality and how to stay 'safe' while breaking God's law. They are taught that lawlessness is the norm from a very early age.

Oh, and guess the Greek word used in Acts 15:29 that translates (in some versions) as 'fornication' and in other versions as sexual immorality.
πορνεία porneia
Sin makes you dumb and weak. We learned that from our hero, Samson, but did they? No. Not any more. But some learned about porn from when they were 3 years old. That was a startling fact to come across for me. How's that for an awesome job the enemy of our soul is doing?

Even the echoes of "Hast God said?" are no longer heard. He doesn't have to challenge the Word of God. Rom 10:14 How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard?? They just don't know.

But God is greater!
"Father (Abba) forgive! They don't know what they are doing."
 
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There are no precise biblical definitions of sin.
Not sure who came up with this idea, but there are indeed precise biblical definitions of sin.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 Jn 3:4).
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
(1 Jn 5:17).
 
Some may know that even in my old age (advanced years? I'm still a young 61 -- until June, that is) I still love going to school. They allow attendance for seniors on a space available, non-credit basis for a total charge (except books) of $5 and they call us "Lifelong Learners". :nod Little do they know that I didn't get my HS diploma until I was 49 <wink>. And part of what I like is just hanging around with the kids. Some are younger than college age because of the 'Running Start' program that let's students get their AA alongside of their High School diploma.

Wow, thinking about getting into Psychology. Not that I am a fan of it, but I believe with a degree it puts me in line to help the worse out there according to Scriptures. Sort of not sure where to start, but was thinking about Online courses. This encourages me, not sure I would like the idea of hanging out with kids, have some of my own.

I am not so sure Paul was staying away from things Sacrificed from Idols though. For a bit I had to sort out eating things labeled Kosher since a priest who did not believe in Jesus came in and blessed it.

Very encouraging. :)
 
There are no precise biblical definitions of sin.
Not sure who came up with this idea, but there are indeed precise biblical definitions of sin.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 Jn 3:4).
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
(1 Jn 5:17).
That's your idea of PRECISE? Oh. Okay. 613 Mitzvots and there is still room for debate. There are entire schools of thought on such things. But this is NOT a debate forum so I'll just wink and agree. <wink> I'm probably stretching the rules as well but I'm sure you're correct in that we can at least agree that the Word of God is in fact precise. I probably could have worded it better. Thanks for the critique, brother, but I think that 1 John 5:17 is concise more than precise.

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity...
 
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I view sin as any direction away from God as in separation from Him. 1 John 1:5. If we picture God as the Light of Truth, then there are countless directions away from Him, consequently sin has many different forms all based on falsehoods imagined to be true. Repentance is therefore turning back to God. All sinful directions have one thing in common which is, that to venture away from God is to not Love God with all the heart mind and soul. Every lie ever conceived therefore serves the same primary function, to cause a person to produce a sentiment or spirit of darkness that is in violation of the greatest commandment. Such is vanity. For every sin there is a falsehood that preceded it. Hence the Truth sets one free .
 
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