Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

[kenmaynard]

There are lots of things that are not in the constitution, and in fact are prohibited by it, but have been made law by right wing Christian conservatives.

DUI checkpoints. The constitution says the police may not search you with out probable cause, but they routinely set up roadside checkpoints where you must prove you are innocent of driving drunk. Just like Russia. Papers Please citizen.

Along the same lines of the last one. One is considered innocent until proven guilty by a jury, and the government may not seize your property until guilty, but they do it routinely with morality laws. Many states have enacted laws which the police may take possession of you car and sell it if you are caught with a prostitute or even a small amount of drugs in the car. It is just a money grab by the state. Conservative Christians always support these non constitutional laws.

The patriot act allowed for imprisonment with out trial, searches with out warrants and all sorts of things that trash the constitution.

 

[Lewis]

There are lots of things that are not in the constitution, and in fact are prohibited by it, but have been made law by right wing Christian conservatives.

DUI checkpoints. The constitution says the police may not search you with out probable cause, but they routinely set up roadside checkpoints where you must prove you are innocent of driving drunk. Just like Russia. Papers Please citizen.

Along the same lines of the last one. One is considered innocent until proven guilty by a jury, and the government may not seize your property until guilty, but they do it routinely with morality laws. Many states have enacted laws which the police may take possession of you car and sell it if you are caught with a prostitute or even a small amount of drugs in the car. It is just a money grab by the state. Conservative Christians always support these non constitutional laws.

The patriot act allowed for imprisonment with out trial, searches with out warrants and all sorts of things that trash the constitution.

You are right about those laws, and I hate those laws, they are wrong.

 

[Vic C.]

The wording is clear as well as the interpretation...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This prohibits a Theocracy of any kind or any governmental preferential treatment towards religion or lack their of. The government is intended to be secular. It might be inspired by Christian principles but that doesn't make it a Christian nation. Star Wars was inspired by Lord of the Rings but alas, Star Wars is not Lord of the Rings.

Bottom line is that I have the right as a citizen to not be influenced by my government in the matters of religion. I choose what I worship, if anything, how and when, not my government.

Yes, Aero nailed it by reading no more into it then what was written. It is a provision that keeps governments noses out of our religious business. Remember one of the reasons why they fled England and other countries? Does the Church of England ring a bell? Where is the provision that prohibits religions from establishing their set of morals in their government? Well it won't be found in the Constitution?

You would find that in the "contracts" churches sign when they submit those tax exempt forms. In it are things churches can and cannot do or say. You basically are in business with the government when you sign one of those contracts. I have links to some information somewhere that outlines all the various things in that contract.

Think about this though; if the government states in it's own Constitution this:

"shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

what right do they have to make people believe they must sign some contract to become tax free? We are free by the very nature of the First Amendment.

... and what about our right to privacy? Is there a stipulation that guarantees the government's right to privacy also? I hope not! Yet they do things in private consistently, while we argue over an alleged wall of separation that was originally meant to keep the government out, not block the people from their government.

 

[jasoncran]

vic a church group could appeal that contract with the supreme court and legally have a case, but the Lord would have to help there

jaason

 

[Lance_Iguana]

vic a church group could appeal that contract with the supreme court and legally have a case, but the Lord would have to help there

jaason

Then the Supreme court would throw out the appeal based on its unconstitutional grounds. I highly doubt God would want our government anyway. Its to dirty. :P

 

[jasoncran]

the contract that vic speaks of is true and a church most have a license in each county, I worked for one, i have seen that license, much like business one, that's what vic is saying

jason

 

[Lance_Iguana]

the contract that vic speaks of is true and a church most have a license in each county, I worked for one, i have seen that license, much like business one, that's what vic is saying

jason

Oops I misread the post. Sorry about that.

 

[Vic C.]

vic a church group could appeal that contract with the supreme court and legally have a case, but the Lord would have to help there

jaason

Then the Supreme court would throw out the appeal based on its unconstitutional grounds. I highly doubt God would want our government anyway. Its to dirty. :P

Lance may be correct here. The legal contract was supposedly read through and the proper signature(s) were provided.

Jason, where is the law that states a local congregation must be licensed? When did they sneak that one past us? Why should a 'church' be forced to become a recognized tax exempt organization when the First Amendment already provides that for religious institutions? Remember,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

 

[jasoncran]

[quote="Lance_Iguana":1d0il4jo]

vic a church group could appeal that contract with the supreme court and legally have a case, but the Lord would have to help there

jaason

Then the Supreme court would throw out the appeal based on its unconstitutional grounds. I highly doubt God would want our government anyway. Its to dirty. :P

Lance may be correct here. The legal contract was supposedly read through and the proper signature(s) were provided.

Jason, where is the law that states a local congregation must be licensed? When did they sneak that one past us? Why should a 'church' be forced to become a recognized tax exempt organization when the First Amendment already provides that for religious institutions? Remember,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;[/quote:1d0il4jo]
in the state of florida they pay for a sales tax exemption. ie a license to do business, some churches have schools, and i worked for one they mave had the license for that in open view in the office.


I do know this for sure if a church in my hometown shows a movie for a crowd of 10 more they must pay a tax.

I forget the name of the tax.