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This Is Real Crazy

KevinK said:
The problem is it's not just one particular pastor. There are a lot of stories like this. I have some money saved up right now for tithing that I don't know who to give to. Perhaps you'd like it? Seriously.
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Sure, I can funnel it into the Warriors of Faith outreach ministry I'm part of!

But on a serious note, I know there are lots of stories like this going around, but out of the millions of Christian churches just in the US alone, it's only a very tiny percentage of them that have actually done something like this. (Actually done it, not just been falsely accused of doing it.)
 
antipasta said:
One thing I have found to be almost always true is that there is another side to the story. Without hearing both sides, I can't assume that this story is accurate. I've seen too many Progressives and journalists with an agenda doctor the facts or even outright lie to make a person or institution look bad.
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AGREED!!!

You best be giving a 10th back to God folks.
Not being a fan of the Baptist teaching, I have to stick up for the church on this until I get better information.

1) We don't know what Member means.
None of us have been to this church, we don't know how it operates, and Member can mean a whole lot of things. We don't know of any conversations that proceeded the letter, we don't know the character of the person getting the letter, and we should give the Pastor the benefit of the doubt.

First, the letter never mentioned tithing, and the letter mentioned non-participation. When I was a Pastor, I had 3 people under me, 2 of them ran my praise and worship team. I fully expected them to pray in tongues before the service, fully expected them to be anointed when they went out to sing, and fully did not expect many mistakes as I opened the church up for practice anytime they wanted to use the equipment.
I expected them to speak a Word of the Lord if given to them while singing and keep the anointing for when I walked up to speak. My standard of excellence was pretty non rigid, but there were expectations. We are just not working for the church, we are working for Jesus in even cleaning the bathrooms, and His things are extremely important.

If member means some type of authority position or job position, then you need to be there when Church is open. We don't know if the Pastor had talked to this women before, we don't know her real heart, we don't know his heart. We don't know if the Lord said remove her.

At my church now, the standard of excellence to serve is far above what I would have thought up. You can't serve in Children's ministry for example if you can't make it to church on the days your not scheduled to serve. I have seen a whole lot of folks get booted from Praise and Worship, and even cleaning team because God has to be first in your life. Serving is a calling, not just something you sign up for.

Before you all judge, wipe the cobwebs out of your skulls and think about what you know, and where you learned it from. I don't know what Member means, I don't know what she lost not being a Member, I don't know what was said before her Letter, I don't know her or her heart, and I don't know the Pastor's motives.

That is a good indication to keep my mouth shut, least I be condemned. If the Pastor obeyed God, you don't want to have a post up here acting stupid. It's that serious, least Satan get a place.

Mike.
 
Brother Mike said:
AGREED!!!

You best be giving a 10th back to God folks.
Not being a fan of the Baptist teaching, I have to stick up for the church on this until I get better information.

1) We don't know what Member means.
None of us have been to this church, we don't know how it operates, and Member can mean a whole lot of things. We don't know of any conversations that proceeded the letter, we don't know the character of the person getting the letter, and we should give the Pastor the benefit of the doubt.

First, the letter never mentioned tithing, and the letter mentioned non-participation. When I was a Pastor, I had 3 people under me, 2 of them ran my praise and worship team. I fully expected them to pray in tongues before the service, fully expected them to be anointed when they went out to sing, and fully did not expect many mistakes as I opened the church up for practice anytime they wanted to use the equipment.
I expected them to speak a Word of the Lord if given to them while singing and keep the anointing for when I walked up to speak. My standard of excellence was pretty non rigid, but there were expectations. We are just not working for the church, we are working for Jesus in even cleaning the bathrooms, and His things are extremely important.

If member means some type of authority position or job position, then you need to be there when Church is open. We don't know if the Pastor had talked to this women before, we don't know her real heart, we don't know his heart. We don't know if the Lord said remove her.

At my church now, the standard of excellence to serve is far above what I would have thought up. You can't serve in Children's ministry for example if you can't make it to church on the days your not scheduled to serve. I have seen a whole lot of folks get booted from Praise and Worship, and even cleaning team because God has to be first in your life. Serving is a calling, not just something you sign up for.

Before you all judge, wipe the cobwebs out of your skulls and think about what you know, and where you learned it from. I don't know what Member means, I don't know what she lost not being a Member, I don't know what was said before her Letter, I don't know her or her heart, and I don't know the Pastor's motives.

That is a good indication to keep my mouth shut, least I be condemned. If the Pastor obeyed God, you don't want to have a post up here acting stupid. It's that serious, least Satan get a place.

Mike.
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Wow, that's really harsh! And you say you weren't rigid? I'd hate to see your idea of rigid. As an example; Where does the Bible give pastors the authority to demand people pray in tongues in order for them to be allowed on a "worship team"? And in what Christian church (not including cults or non-christian churches) does the term "member" require that they be actively in some type of authority or job position otherwise the pastor has the right to revoke their church membership? Even for a 92 year old shut in with failing health??? Being an elderly shut in doesn't qualify as a legitimate reason to not attend church and should be dealt with by removal in your mind?

Why are you no longer a pastor? I thought you still were.
 
Obadiah said:
Wow, that's really harsh! And you say you weren't rigid? I'd hate to see your idea of rigid. As an example; Where does the Bible give pastors the authority to demand people pray in tongues in order for them to be allowed on a "worship team"? And in what Christian church (not including cults or non-christian churches) does the term "member" require that they be actively in some type of authority or job position otherwise the pastor has the right to revoke their church membership? Even for a 92 year old shut in with failing health??? Being an elderly shut in doesn't qualify as a legitimate reason to not attend church and should be dealt with by removal in your mind?

Why are you no longer a pastor? I thought you still were.
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Not trying to be harsh here. Judging the Pastor before having all the information though is not good, and spiritually dangerous.
As for my Worship team, my member spoke in tongues, so I expected them to use the gift to edify themselves before singing for the Lord. I believe in preparing as the Lord has allowed you. I never would have a requirement though that you had to speak in tongues to be on the Worship team, and the Church I go to now, they don't even ask if you speak in tongues, but you do have to be on time, and you do have to take it serious.

Obadiah, I know it sounds harsh, a 92 year old Women, having health issues given a letter saying she is no longer a Member. We only know her side though. Were there issues before? What does being a Member mean? Is she still allowed in church? A whole bunch of questions were not answered, and she could have been done wrong.
I doubt she was kicked out of church, she just had her Membership removed, whatever being a Member means. I would ask someone to step down if the Lord said, who could no longer perform their duties, I certainly would not ask them to leave the church, I "JUST ASSUME" this pastor thinks the same way.

As for being a Pastor, I was never qualified in my thinking. The Lord asked me to take the position to help the head Pastor who ran a Night service. He wanted me to start the day service, and I did as the Lord asked me. When my Sunday service grew bigger than the night service, and my Sunday Service was bringing in tons more money than the night service, that caused big issues with the founding members who originally paid for everything. I never even taught giving or tithing, the people just gave.
It also became a issue when my members went to night service also, and heard things that were wrong, and I spent a whole lot of time countering what was taught at night. That is just a bad position.

It was after I was asked again to preach a night service, a girl was healed, and it caused issues. Then the Head pastor got up and spoke, and said my people were faithful for giving, and the night service which was his was not being faithful. That made things even worse.

So, I just asked the Lord what to do, I told him I will step down to avoid discord, because if there is discord, it's not God. The Lord said, "move to Branson" That was my answer, and I had no clue where that was at, I just knew Keith Moore was there.

So, I believe God to Pastor again, but I am not kicking down doors, or using my bible knowledge to impress some small church to give me a Pastor Job. When the Lord opens the door, it will be real, and not something I created.

I did go back to that church for a few months a couple years ago and teach for a bit, after the head Pastor talked to me about starting a compound, I got the feeling that I needed to go back to Branson, and stay where the Lord told me.

Blessings.

Mike.
 
So what do you all think about preachers who say, God just told me to tell everybody to give 500 bucks. Or when a preacher is preaching people come up and lay money on the alter ?
 
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