Time Frame??? Things Are Getting Better, Huh?

[Elijah674]

2Tim.3

[1] This know also, that in thelast days perilous times shall come.
(try Isa. 5:4 on, for the Lord's last Loving act to have one repent! + Jude 1:22-23's last resort of Gods LOVE. + Matt. 24:21 'Present Truth' Prophecy for the very worse of 'sorrow' leading up to the very worse, worldwide. And few will disagree then!)

[2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

(not today yet, some say huh? this has always been the case! And these ones teaching this find NO Increase? Then they are dead!)

[3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

[4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

[6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

[7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of thetruth.

[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

[9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

[10] But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

[11] Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

[13] But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

[14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Hitch]

Well Eli since everything has been getting steadily worse and worse maybe you can tell me when things were better?

Was the' Golden Era' 100 years ago?

200 years ago?

500?

 

[Elijah674]

Well Eli since everything has been getting steadily worse and worse maybe you can tell me when things were better?

Was the' Golden Era' 100 years ago?

200 years ago?

500?

Hi, you are most likely a young'in? But 'i' go back a while. 'Golden Era' ? I do not say quite that, yet, the point is as you bring out as well, that all Matt. 24:21 is coming to a head. If that is what you are suggesting??

But back to question. We had removed the 'out house' to inside with well water. (and Reba, that was our new bathroom) We even were 'blessed' to have a hand pump removed from the kitchen sink!

And locks on our doors?? We did not even have 'keys' for such a thing. Were things different then, you be the judge? And school? knives or gun's? No way back then! And my 3 good looking sisters had no fear of going to town at night for a loaf of bread.
And today? girls even hold up banks! And a cuss word in front of a girl back then was rare if done at all?? and are you kidding me, some 'girls' of today are the worst offenders.

Even the movie houses were out of bounds for some Protestants such as Pentecostal's. And makeup & the like were also shunned as worldy. And today?
The women even on TV, or Sun. newpaper adds, dress with about nothing on, these places like Wall-Mart even have the young girl's half or more naked in their adds. + the mom & dads or the preachers are where today?? In fact preachers wives are some of the most vile in dress.

And another thing: Most of these early ones really believed that Sunday was the Lord's Sabbath. That was when they started out as reformers while still not knowing any better up until some few years back of Dan. 12:4 or Hosea 4:6.
Ask yourself, how did these Daughters of Rev. 17:1-5 rome get this way???

OK: The Lord tell's what He allows as a last resort to awaken any sincere one that can still be awakened. Love is the MOTIVE Still, but it will be seen in His tough Love removal of His past Protection as in Isa. 5:4 on + Matt. 24:21 on, & Jude 1:22-23. This fear will work two ways. Few will SURRENDER too Christ & be Born Again with the removal of Fear as a motive! And the rest?? These will be the Broadway & Rev. 17:1-5 ones in vast majority who will force 666 worship, to try to appease an angry God they believe. No repentence, just satanic force!

So friend, 'i' would venture to believe that for the past 60 or so years, we have seen a real moral decay +, which goes steadily downhill! You just watch'um!
And sure, things have always found bad times, but not one disaster after another as are seen today in [all aspects] of the results of wickednes.

--Elijah

 

[Hitch]

So what you're saying is the Golden Era was delineated by racial segregation in the US and building of the Berlin Wall, escalation of the Viet-Nam war, the Mau Mau Rebellion, good times...

 

[jasoncran]

idk. i dont miss those days, as most of them i wasnt born. but to say elijah is totally off is a bit much. porn wasnt so blatent like when i go to the mall while waiting for my truck to be worked on and i walk by victorias secret and they have "things"on display.or how we have almost the same rate of divorce as we do now with the church and the world.

 

[Elijah674]

So what you're saying is the Golden Era was delineated by racial segregation in the US and building of the Berlin Wall, escalation of the Viet-Nam war, the Mau Mau Rebellion, good times...

That was a low blow! ;) Was Matt. 10:25 hinted upon? Who ever stated that these were good things?
As stated, there has always been a devil around doing his thing, from Adam on.
Perhaps the remark was as such?? By that, 'i' mean, is that what I said!

Even check out Gen. 4:7 with satan's first convert up to Gen. 6:3's total slaughter except for 8, who just would not yield to Noah's preaching or the Holy Spirits Strivings! And the Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15's REPEAT! (from bad to worse) And as [A] thing repeated going from worse to worse from Adam on, to this huge slaughter, so has these Rev. 17:1-5 brought on what we are again intering into. Matt. 24:21

And 100 years back before TV, (+) we found things much better as a whole for the Christian faith. The early Reformation started out very good although not perfect.

And when you come on with racial remarks? still in comparison of this precise wickedness, there have been way more deaths caused by the Aids virus, and with NO cure, than by slavery. And it is not over yet! And what church is most infected & affected with this? (check out the daily news!)

--Elijah

 

[Hitch]

Is the kingdom of God larger or smaller today as compared to 60 years ago?

 

[Elijah674]

Is the kingdom of God larger or smaller today as compared to 60 years ago?

See if this helps?
Dan. 2 in part:

[29] As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
....
[31] Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
[32] This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
[33] His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

(each following world impire was to get more worth/less as time went by, until we see total disunity of where iron & clay can never unite! And last day professed Christianity was seen as the Abomination Of The Earth in Rev. 17:5)

OK: The interpretation follows. But remember two iron legs & then the [ten toes]
which came on the scene BEFORE Christ 's Heavenly Kingdom came and filled the whole earth!! Rev. 21 finds the time about near with even 'a new heaven and a new Earth'!

[34] Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Take note that there are NO MORE earthly Kingdoms than these four to follow! And be sure to take note of what comes next in the above verse! And also be sure to realize that this prophecy was at the start of this history of Babylon & this kings reign and well into the future as the above verse & the below verse documents. Which is nearly the time for Christ's setting up His New Heaven & Earth Kingdom on earth! Also note Christ's WARNING in Matt. 24:23-24, also ibid. 23 tells what is happening now as we speak.... TODAY, in this End Time acceleration!

[35] Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

[36] This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
[37] Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
[38] And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
[39] And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, (verse 32 ibid. states, 'his breast and his arms of silver) and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
[40] And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
(Two legs seen here before the toes appear. And this is the forth & the LAST WORLD KINGDOM) )

[41] And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
[42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
[43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
(about like the Rev. 17:5 ones, huh? Unity on about nothing except what they think will cause God to get them out of satan's oven of fire, except repent of course! But some 'few' will repent of course! Rev. 18:4 John 10:16)

[44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

(This is where we are at in the [Present] time period.. 2 Thess. 2:7-12)
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


OK: Do we have this part understood?

[45] Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
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Matt. 24
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

--Elijah


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[Hitch]

Did you forget the question ?

Originally Posted by Hitch
Is the kingdom of God larger or smaller today as compared to 60 years ago?

 

[Elijah674]

Did you forget the question ?

Originally Posted by Hitch
Is the kingdom of God larger or smaller today as compared to 60 years ago?

I guess that 'i' was thinking that that was a rhetorical question? Sure time is permitted to go on (as I see it) for the replacement of heaven's original rebellion ones. (Matt. 25:1) So, free choice was a real 'costly one' for the Godhead, yet, it was Their ONLY WAY with having a universe with mature Loving Obedience. Nah. 1:9

The kingdom of heaven on earth is now having a tested few making it larger until it reaches the point of completeness. (Matt. 18:18) Think Matt. 7's Narrow way & broadway eternally lost ones.

--Elijah

 

[Sam21]

Did you forget the question ?

Originally Posted by Hitch
Is the kingdom of God larger or smaller today as compared to 60 years ago?

There are more people in the church today simply because there are more people,that does not mean that christians are getting better,actually just the opposite seems to be happening.

 

[reba]

2000 years age anyone want to guess about how many Christians were around?

 

[Hitch]

There are more people in the church today simply because there are more people,that does not mean that christians are getting better,actually just the opposite seems to be happening.

Ho hum Sam avoids the question while pretending to answer,,,again ,

What part of kingdom dont you understand?

Originally Posted by Hitch
Did you forget the question ?

Originally Posted by Hitch
Is the kingdom of God larger or smaller today as compared to 60 years ago?

 

[Hitch]

I guess that 'i' was thinking that that was a rhetorical question? Sure time is permitted to go on (as I see it) for the replacement of heaven's original rebellion ones. (Matt. 25:1) So, free choice was a real 'costly one' for the Godhead, yet, it was Their ONLY WAY with having a universe with mature Loving Obedience. Nah. 1:9

The kingdom of heaven on earth is now having a tested few making it larger until it reaches the point of completeness. (Matt. 18:18) Think Matt. 7's Narrow way & broadway eternally lost ones.

--Elijah

It looks like you're saying the kingdom is indeed larger, but Im never sure with you

 

[Hitch]

2000 years age anyone want to guess about how many Christians were around?

Are you kidding? I drove into town today and its seems like every corner has a Roman Garrison, ya know with the pointy thing on top...

 

[jasoncran]

is christianity as effective today in regards to changing men's law. 60 yrs ago. abortion illegal. gay marriage??? euthanasia??? and also the removal of God from schools.

where was the mighty church when this went on?

that is what sam21 is stating. sadly i quote from a member who shall remained unamed

" this site is my church and nearest church is three hours away that is worth a darn"

that my friend is the state of american christianity we have traded solid biblical teachings for user friendly churches.

think about it. i love old the pastors on radio vs the ones of today sure there are some good ones but to find a really deep pastor that expounds the word. its getting harder and harder.

in the 50s and 60's you had billy graham, though starting, adrian rogers in my home county, and also dl moody, and others of that genre.

compare that generation of today to them..

we have these that are ok

telly davidjan(not spelt right and he is at dr. d james kennedy church as pastor) and i am not even listing the arminist or df types that i listen too here.

 

[reba]

A couple months ago we had some discussion about some folks in the church being bad guys.... And some folks think we are to over look their life styles. The churches should clean house.

From the RCC to the store front penticostial!
O no folks start crying 'dont touch Gods anointed. I pray our churches clean up....
Expel and expose the thief and lairs. I believe some bad times here in the Good ol USA just might bring that around...

Got folks running to and fro looking for signs and wonders. People writing books to make a buck those are not the christian backbone. The core of the Church is growing what we see so much of as described above is the fringe.

 

[jasoncran]

i see it alittle differently, God seperating the wheat from the chaff so to speak, doenst mean he is near coming in my lifetime but look around what the american culture is and who remains.

i am not in any way saying that the church isnt growing just stating where sam got his statement from.

 

[Hitch]

is christianity as effective today in regards to changing men's law. 60 yrs ago. abortion illegal. gay marriage??? euthanasia??? and also the removal of God from schools.

where was the mighty church when this went on?

Planning on being raptured

that is what sam21 is stating. sadly i quote from a member who shall remained unamed

" this site is my church and nearest church is three hours away that is worth a darn"

that my friend is the state of american christianity we have traded solid biblical teachings for user friendly churches.

think about it. i love old the pastors on radio vs the ones of today sure there are some good ones but to find a really deep pastor that expounds the word. its getting harder and harder.

in the 50s and 60's you had billy graham, though starting, adrian rogers in my home county, and also dl moody, and others of that genre.

compare that generation of today to them..

we have these that are ok

telly davidjan(not spelt right and he is at dr. d james kennedy church as pastor) and i am not even listing the arminist or df types that i listen too here.

Whatwe see today is the natural outgrowth of a century of praying RAPTURE ME O GOD

Rather than praying O GOD help my son become a judge, a Senator or even a member of the School Board.

There is no reason we should not expect the culture to decline in the void left as for decades the church hide from her leadership role.*

We are reaping what we have planted.


And despite out best efforts to the contrary the Kingdom of God grows every day.


* You mentioned abortion earlier. The famous RoevsWade case was argued in Dallas Texas and the cringing slimeballs (AKA Faculty members) of the largest DF seminary in the world made not a peep to protect the fatherless.

 

[jasoncran]

Planning on being raptured Whatwe see today is the natural outgrowth of a century of praying RAPTURE ME O GOD

Rather than praying O GOD help my son become a judge, a Senator or even a member of the School Board.

There is no reason we should not expect the culture to decline in the void left as for decades the church hide from her leadership role.

We are reaping what we have planted.

And despite out best efforts to the contrary the Kingdom of God grows every day.

no, he comes when he comes.

uh i can debunk that with history of america. christian in numbers to the heathen has been small. i do agree that its supposed to be that way but with things that are clearly unchristian like this

manifest destiny
we have the right to the west and darn the red man who had that land first.

or God made the negro a slave and in the bible slavery was legal

these are sad chapters in our history. but oh what i know? i dont read up on these things. the cranmans didnt own slaves and fight for the south now did they? yes they did. all cranmans come from savanah. so the jews and the christian have that blight on them.

the north was the place where slavery was stopped.

if one is going to die for a nation. its best to know that thing you are going to die for!

yes i agree that we have relagated our chair to the devil but today i dont think it will be easy to get america back on track. i think america is forever going to be a post christian nation. and we will have to get used to that and advance the kingdom still instead via the blue laws etc.

in the past america was more christian friendly. not that is fading. can we change this, yes but very slowly and its up to God. does that mean we dont run and particapate in government? no!

but seriously a pro-family mayor in san francisco isnt likely to happen. it can but the culture would have to shift first to Godward living.

and until then its not gonna happen. if we get a christian president will america turn from her sins? nope the people must repent first for that to happen.

PLEASE DONT INSULT MY INTELLEGENCE AND ASSUME THAT I AM A TRIBBER. I AM NOT. i dont even buy the trib anymore. adds a time frame to the lords return.

funny why is it that i know what the founders wanted and yet post no links and also dont read mr barton? i was taught it in school and remember it from that period and from debates here. and i defend that all the time here.

now why would i want to reenlist and serve my country with open gays? being that i used to be that way.long before i posted that thread. i stated, we christians cant leave the service now! the sinners need godly men in a time of war.