Bible Study Time no longer?

[Dewey]

Misunderstood verse – “Time no longer”

In Revelation 10:6,7 we are told that when the 7th angel begins to sound that there will “be time no longer.”

Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

It has been frequently taught from this that God is going to do away with the concept of time; and from then on time will cease to exist. This is, however, not right. What is meant by “time no longer” is that the people of earth have run out of time (no longer do they have more time.) How do we know this? After the 7th trumpet blows we still see the reckoning of time, such as:

- The Lord Jesus’ one thousand year reign (Rev.20:4)
- Satan is bound for a thousand years (Rev.20:2)
- The tree of life in New Jerusalem bearing it’s fruit every month (Rev.22:2)

In the first verse in the Bible God created three things in perfect order: time, space, and matter.

Gen. 1:1 ¶ In the beginning [time] God created the heaven [space] and the earth [matter]

The earth can’t exist without heaven (where would you put it?) Heaven can’t exist without time (when would you put it?) As long as heaven and earth remain, time cannot cease to exist.

 

[reba]

Not agreeing or disagreeing just asking if you believe God is subject to time?

 

[Dewey]

No I definitely don't believe God is subject to time in any way. I know he created time "in the beginning," and he operates outside of it. Just the fact that he foresees the future shows me he is master of time. What do you believe?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

These are good points you make Dewey.
I'll buy into it.
Never thought of it like this before.

 

[Chopper]

I'm with Rollo, these are good thoughts of which I had not thought of.

 

[Karl]

I agree with what you are saying about the verse in Revelation, but to say there will be time in Eternity is not correct.

For us to have time there has to be mass, God is a Spirit being Jn 4:24, hence He has no mass, without mass there can be no time, when we are in Eternity in our new bodies, living with God, who is without time, we won't be there with Him in time, time will not exist, because Eternity is now and it can't change when we are there, ...because it already exists and also there is already a Man in timeless Eternity, ...and when we are with Him we will be like Him 1Cor 15:50-53.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:11

Think about it, in Colossians Paul tell us Jesus is holding everything together Col 1:17, that includes the positive charged protons in the nucleus of an atom (Coulomb's Law - positive charges repel), one day Jesus is going to let go and there is going to be one gigantic nuclear explosion of the Universe and everything in it will dissolve with a fervent heat in nano second 2 Pet 3:10, ...whoa, what a rush, we will be there to watch it!

So the scene is: a God sitting on a Great White Throne Rev 20:11, we will possibly be behind or to the side of it and the condemned before it, ...Judgement time.

And after that,

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:1

We don't know what the new heaven and new earth will be like, but God will be there and Jesus will be there, still without time Rev 21:3, Heb 13:8, and we will be there in a timeless Eternity.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4

And that includes time.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I agree with what you are saying about the verse in Revelation, but to say there will be time in Eternity is not correct.

For us to have time there has to be mass, God is a Spirit being Jn 4:24, hence He has no mass, without mass there can be no time, when we are in Eternity in our new bodies, living with God, who is without time, we won't be there with Him in time, time will not exist, because Eternity is now and it can't change when we are there, ...because it already exists and also there is already a Man in timeless Eternity, ...and when we are with Him we will be like Him 1Cor 15:50-53.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:11

Think about it, in Colossians Paul tell us Jesus is holding everything together Col 1:17, that includes the positive charged protons in the nucleus of an atom (Coulomb's Law - positive charges repel), one day Jesus is going to let go and there is going to be one gigantic nuclear explosion of the Universe and everything in it will dissolve with a fervent heat in nano second 2 Pet 3:10, ...whoa, what a rush, we will be there to watch it!

So the scene is: a God sitting on a Great White Throne Rev 20:11, we will possibly be behind or to the side of it and the condemned before it, ...Judgement time.

And after that,

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:1

We don't know what the new heaven and new earth will be like, but God will be there and Jesus will be there, still without time Rev 21:3, Heb 13:8, and we will be there in a timeless Eternity.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4

And that includes time.

But that doesn't explain why the Tree of Life produces new fruit every month.

 

[Jesse]

I agree with what you are saying about the verse in Revelation, but to say there will be time in Eternity is not correct.

For us to have time there has to be mass, God is a Spirit being Jn 4:24, hence He has no mass, without mass there can be no time, when we are in Eternity in our new bodies, living with God, who is without time, we won't be there with Him in time, time will not exist, because Eternity is now and it can't change when we are there, ...because it already exists and also there is already a Man in timeless Eternity, ...and when we are with Him we will be like Him 1Cor 15:50-53.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:11

Think about it, in Colossians Paul tell us Jesus is holding everything together Col 1:17, that includes the positive charged protons in the nucleus of an atom (Coulomb's Law - positive charges repel), one day Jesus is going to let go and there is going to be one gigantic nuclear explosion of the Universe and everything in it will dissolve with a fervent heat in nano second 2 Pet 3:10, ...whoa, what a rush, we will be there to watch it!

So the scene is: a God sitting on a Great White Throne Rev 20:11, we will possibly be behind or to the side of it and the condemned before it, ...Judgement time.

And after that,

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:1

We don't know what the new heaven and new earth will be like, but God will be there and Jesus will be there, still without time Rev 21:3, Heb 13:8, and we will be there in a timeless Eternity.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4

And that includes time.

Just asking, but doesn't the Revelation show us that we will be celebrating all the Feasts, at the appropriate seasons?

 

[Karl]

LOL. Good one...., all I can say is, ...we ain't there yet bro,

My God is big enough to create months without time as we know it, or another color or two, an 8th or 9th note in the musical scale...., today we see through a glass darkly, the only hint we have is Jesus in His resurrected body was no longer restrained by the space-time domain principles we live in.

Here is a verse I'm constantly mediating on,

That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past. Ecc 3:15

That is telling us to know the future we need to look in the past and to know the past we need to look in the future 2 I haven't yet wrapped my head around that.

Opps, hijack, ...sorry.

 

[Karl]

Just asking, but doesn't the Revelation show us that we will be celebrating all the Feasts, at the appropriate seasons?

Yes Jesse, those inhabiting on the earth during the Millennium will, but we are talking about after the Millennium when it is Eternity, ...remember bro, the Old Testament is material and physical and the New Testament is spiritual and eternity.

 

[Jesse]

Yes Jesse, those inhabiting on the earth during the Millennium will, but we are talking about after the Millennium when it is Eternity, ...remember bro, the Old Testament is material and physical and the New Testament is spiritual and eternity.

Well, I really thought the Feasts would be celebrated for all eternity but I don't want to derail the thread. I will study it more.

 

[Karl]

Well, I really thought the Feasts would be celebrated for all eternity but I don't want to derail the thread. I will study it more.

Dear brother, I say this very cautiously, there needs to be much teaching on this, ...they will be, ...just like we are to do today, ...only they are celebrated spiritually, ...hint, the Old Testament is material and physical and the New Testament is spiritual and eternity.

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