[_ Old Earth _] Today is national athiests day!

[Khristeeanos]

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Congratulations on having your own holiday (which means "holy day).



Just poking fun, don't get so serious on me.

 

[MrVersatile48]

April Elim Pentecostal "Direction" mag has the most wonderful feature debunking the arch-debunking atheist proselytiser - the 'Nutty Prof' Richard (Dorky) Dawkins' pathetic recent TV diatribe, in which he churned out all the long-debunked atheist chestnuts, for us to roast merrily on an open fire... :wink:

I have time to type the highlights I marked.. 8-)

'Of course, another noted atheist, Bertrand Russell, was saying much the same thing last century..

"Science will cause man to come into his own & enter a new Utopia...

"But after 2 devastating world wars - not to mention a horrific list of genocides - that naive idea of science creating a perfect world has been discredited, especially sice scientists contributed to the scale of devastation by devising ever more powerful weapons!"

(Kinda sounds like my stuff over the past 15 months at this great site, eh?)

OK..

OK..

of course I'll do a comic voice 4 U here...

"C'mere..

there's more!"

page 46, column 3 ends:-

"But if Dawkins were consistent, he would also have to admit that atheism & his belief in the survival of the fittest has also spawned some pretty intolerant regimes, such as Hitler's Third Reich & the communist regimes of the last century

"In fact the Holocaust, Stalin's Gulag, Pol Pot's killing fields & the disasterous social experiments of Mao, all of which caused the deaths of millions...can be traced back to a belief in atheistic evolution - where man is no more than an animal & the weak can therefore be disposed of....

"Dawkins himself admits to 'a great sense of mystery' when confronting the 'elementary principles of the universe', yet dismisses faith as 'pathetic' compared to the ' sophistication that physics & biology deal with'

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Radio Merseyside lunchtime phone-in fans will recall my 10 Jan deliciously delighful dissection of ol' Dorky - feigning to fall for the trick they'd set up by playing his tape before they put me on the show

I said how tremendously priveleged I felt to be allowed to go head to head, live on BBC radio, with the great professor - especially as that Nutty Prof is on record admitting that 'every species looks as if it was designed for a purpose'

Who can forget my switching to a Brooklyn 'Jimmy (Scnozzle) Durante accent to say, "Very simple reason for that, Professor..

They WERE - by the MOst Brilliant Brain in the Universe!"

I then challenged him & any other moronic atheist evo-loopies to come to http://www.ChesterZoo.org that Sat & try to find the milluiions of 'missing links' between EVERY so-called stage of Darwin drivel's so-called evolutionary ladder/chain

Switching to my Clint Eastwood voice..

or was it my Rambo??)..

I said, "You'll NEVER be able to find 'em..

because.

they DON'T EXIST!!"

Altogether now..

1/2/3..

When ya pooper-scop evo-loopy-poop...

don't forget to wash ya hands now!!"

(That one's done as Hulk Hogan..

or is it Steven Seagal's "Play nice!"???)

Meanwhile..

back at the ranch...
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"However, physics & biology can only deal with the workings of the universe..

'NOT its purpose

'To say that science can give us 'an exciting grasp of the answers to such questions', & to put it in place of faith in God, is itself shallow & irrational

"It's a misappliance of science - using science for something it was never designed for - like trying to use a boat to cross a field or a car to cross a lake!"...

'The one-time atheist, CS Lewis, said that an atheist must guard his faith carefully, because God sets traps everywhere - as he himself found out. Lewis was a highly intellectual man - (a top Oxford don!) - but after examining his own atheism he realised it was not rational

'& he turned to God

When we look at the supreme complexity, yet orderliness & design of creation, we might say that it takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to believe in God....

the overwhelming evidence is (as many scientists now admit) that there is an intelligent design behind it

After all, who ever heard of a watch without a watchmaker?

Yet Dawkins believes that there is no watchmaker....

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Altogether now..

1.2.3..

"&..

they're..

coming to take him away..

HA-HA!!!" :multi:

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ok..

ok..

BACK TO DA SCRIPT, END OF PAGE 47.. 8-)

'Christians believe that faith is not blind - it is reasonable'

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Gotta chip in with Romans 12:1-2

You can say that means that the only rational, reasonable response to all the wonderful things that God has done for us is to serve, follow & love Him 100%...

which fits with what Jesus called the 1st & most important commandment!

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'& one could argue that the decline of faith & the rise of Dawkins' much-vaunted secularism is responsible for the increase in lawlessness & violence

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Just got time to add that a recent debate in Dawkins' own university - Oxford - resulted in a resounding defeat for atheism :-D

Back to link 'Before Our Eyes'

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18604

Ian

 

[reznwerks]

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

.

The atheist shouts it from the mountain top.

 

[MrVersatile48]

Altogether now...

1.2.3...

"Go, tell it on the mountain..

over the seas..

& everywhere!!

Go, tell it on the mountain..

Jesus Christ is Lord!!!"

Now singalonga..

All The Wonders Of The Universe...

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18462

Now singalonga..

Definitely, Most Certainly, Not Maybe!!

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18602

Now singalonga..

Precinct Pulveriser Medley...

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19055

Back with links B4 ya start screaming for encores, OK? :wink:

Meanwhile...

Anyone going to http://www.VisitSpace.net @ Liverpool Royal Court Theatre Sun night? :angel:

April Space Liverpool
Sunday 2nd April - Royal Court Liverpool


7.00pm - Doors Open
7.30pm - Programme Starts
9.30pm - Closed

Featuring:
thebandwithnoname
4Kornerz
Supervision
Ad-Apt
DJ El Nino
Pass Da Mic
Emma Owen
Captain Dave
Plus Special Guest

All tickets £4 (Hotline 0151 5221396)

PLEASE BOOK EARLY TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT


4/5 top Christian bands & 2/3 solo artists & 1/2 DJ/MCs - headed by http://www.Bandwithnoname.com - for £4 - is superb value! 8-)

How @ the Ultimate Event @ Alton Towers 20 May??

Ultimate Events
Alton Towers 06. The Ultimate Event at Alton Towers, for so many, has now become one of those 'must do' experiences each year http://www.ultimateevents.org.uk - 6k - Cached - More from this site - Save

See superb line-up here:- :angel:

http://www.ultimateevents.org.uk/viewlineup.aspx

I know..

I know..

MAY do, eh??? :

Any recall my 17th hit album...

Maidez!! Mayday!!! ???

Right back...

Ian

 

[Khristeeanos]

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

.

The atheist shouts it from the mountain top.

Go tell it on the mountain. Over the hills and everywhere.
Go tell it on the mountain, [censored] was born. :smt093

 

[reznwerks]

point

Altogether now...

1.2.3...

"Go, tell it on the mountain..

over the seas..

& everywhere!!

Go, tell it on the mountain..

Jesus Christ is Lord!!!"

Now singalonga..

All The Wonders Of The Universe...

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18462

Now singalonga..

Definitely, Most Certainly, Not Maybe!!

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=18602

Now singalonga..

Precinct Pulveriser Medley...

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19055

Back with links B4 ya start screaming for encores, OK? :wink:

Meanwhile...

Anyone going to http://www.VisitSpace.net @ Liverpool Royal Court Theatre Sun night? :angel:

April Space Liverpool
Sunday 2nd April - Royal Court Liverpool


7.00pm - Doors Open
7.30pm - Programme Starts
9.30pm - Closed

Featuring:
thebandwithnoname
4Kornerz
Supervision
Ad-Apt
DJ El Nino
Pass Da Mic
Emma Owen
Captain Dave
Plus Special Guest

All tickets £4 (Hotline 0151 5221396)

PLEASE BOOK EARLY TO AVOID DISAPPOINTMENT


4/5 top Christian bands & 2/3 solo artists & 1/2 DJ/MCs - headed by http://www.Bandwithnoname.com - for £4 - is superb value! 8-)

How @ the Ultimate Event @ Alton Towers 20 May??

Ultimate Events
Alton Towers 06. The Ultimate Event at Alton Towers, for so many, has now become one of those 'must do' experiences each year http://www.ultimateevents.org.uk - 6k - Cached - More from this site - Save

See superb line-up here:- :angel:

http://www.ultimateevents.org.uk/viewlineup.aspx

I know..

I know..

MAY do, eh??? :

Any recall my 17th hit album...

Maidez!! Mayday!!! ???

Right back...

Ian

Atheists only need four words to make the point.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Re: point

Atheists only need four words to make the point.

You actually used eight words in your previous post. : :P

 

[Bilal]

About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

 

[moniker]

About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

Atheism is having faith that God, or any other higher being/deity, does not exist.

 

[dad]

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

.

The atheist shouts it from the mountain top.

Did you hear about the atheist who died, requesting to be buried in a tuxedo? The undertaker, looking at the open cofin commented, "All dressed up, and no place to go"

 

[reznwerks]

atheists

About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

Atheism is having faith that God, or any other higher being/deity, does not exist.

Not quite. Atheism is not having any reason to believe that a God exists. That conclusion is based on the evidence or lack of it. Having faith requires effort and belief.

 

[moniker]

Re: atheists

About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

Atheism is having faith that God, or any other higher being/deity, does not exist.

Not quite. Atheism is not having any reason to believe that a God exists. That conclusion is based on the evidence or lack of it. Having faith requires effort and belief.

Actually that would be considered agnosticism and not atheism. Agnostics question the existence of a God but do not deny that He could exist, simply that it is unknowable. Meanwhile Atheists do deny that He exists. Since it is impossible to prove that God is real or not it would require faith, or belief, to claim either position.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: atheists

About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

Atheism is having faith that God, or any other higher being/deity, does not exist.

Not quite. Atheism is not having any reason to believe that a God exists. That conclusion is based on the evidence or lack of it. Having faith requires effort and belief.

Actually that would be considered agnosticism and not atheism. Agnostics question the existence of a God but do not deny that He could exist, simply that it is unknowable. Meanwhile Atheists do deny that He exists. Since it is impossible to prove that God is real or not it would require faith, or belief, to claim either position.

Atheists consider the lack of a God as fact. As such this is not a belief. Beliefs are matters that are not proven as fact. Here is where you err. You are trying to prove a negative when you state that no one can prove a God doesn't exist. The same can be said of any mythical character in history. You can't prove Zeus or Hercules doesn't exist so therefor in your reasoning one has to believe (or have faith) that the possibility exists for their existence. There are two kinds of faith. One is founded on rational possibilities and likelihood and the other is unfounded faith in which one believes despite the evidence or likelihood. Agnostics on the other hand question the existence of God but deep down hope one exists.

 

[Khristeeanos]

There is no such thing as athiesm.

One would have to be God to prove that God doesn't exist. :

 

[moniker]

Re: atheists

About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

Atheism is having faith that God, or any other higher being/deity, does not exist.

Not quite. Atheism is not having any reason to believe that a God exists. That conclusion is based on the evidence or lack of it. Having faith requires effort and belief.

Actually that would be considered agnosticism and not atheism. Agnostics question the existence of a God but do not deny that He could exist, simply that it is unknowable. Meanwhile Atheists do deny that He exists. Since it is impossible to prove that God is real or not it would require faith, or belief, to claim either position.

Atheists consider the lack of a God as fact. As such this is not a belief. Beliefs are matters that are not proven as fact. Here is where you err. You are trying to prove a negative when you state that no one can prove a God doesn't exist. The same can be said of any mythical character in history. You can't prove Zeus or Hercules doesn't exist so therefor in your reasoning one has to believe (or have faith) that the possibility exists for their existence. There are two kinds of faith. One is founded on rational possibilities and likelihood and the other is unfounded faith in which one believes despite the evidence or likelihood. Agnostics on the other hand question the existence of God but deep down hope one exists.

That's an interesting spin on agnosticism. To claim that they all are, deep down, just lieing to themselves in their questioning of a divine being.

Oh and would you mind citing those facts which proves God does not exist? Athiests know that there isn't one, so what supports that claim? If you can't, then how is it a fact rather than an assumption backed by a belief?

 

[reznwerks]

negative

There is no such thing as athiesm.

One would have to be God to prove that God doesn't exist. :

Your challenge is to prove a negative. You know better.

 

[moniker]

There is no such thing as athiesm.

One would have to be God to prove that God doesn't exist. :

I'm sorry but what? That really doesn't make much sense.

 

[reznwerks]

Re: atheists

[quote="Bilal":9eacc]About Atheism....it does actually recognize God, just not believe in one, or not?

Atheism is having faith that God, or any other higher being/deity, does not exist.

Not quite. Atheism is not having any reason to believe that a God exists. That conclusion is based on the evidence or lack of it. Having faith requires effort and belief.

Actually that would be considered agnosticism and not atheism. Agnostics question the existence of a God but do not deny that He could exist, simply that it is unknowable. Meanwhile Atheists do deny that He exists. Since it is impossible to prove that God is real or not it would require faith, or belief, to claim either position.

Atheists consider the lack of a God as fact. As such this is not a belief. Beliefs are matters that are not proven as fact. Here is where you err. You are trying to prove a negative when you state that no one can prove a God doesn't exist. The same can be said of any mythical character in history. You can't prove Zeus or Hercules doesn't exist so therefor in your reasoning one has to believe (or have faith) that the possibility exists for their existence. There are two kinds of faith. One is founded on rational possibilities and likelihood and the other is unfounded faith in which one believes despite the evidence or likelihood. Agnostics on the other hand question the existence of God but deep down hope one exists.

That's an interesting spin on agnosticism. To claim that they all are, deep down, just lieing to themselves in their questioning of a divine being.
I didn't say they were lying to themselves. Those are your words. I am saying that they question the existance of God or Gods. There conviction that they don't exist is weak. I say it is weak because deep down they would like to be pleasantly surprised to find out they do exist. A good analogy would be if you were stranded on a dessert island. You doubt you will be rescued because no one knows you are there but deep down hope some ship will rise above the horizon and spot your little campfire.

Oh and would you mind citing those facts which proves God does not exist? Athiests know that there isn't one, so what supports that claim? If you can't, then how is it a fact rather than an assumption backed by a belief?
Here is where you are getting into the problem of proving a negative. The obligation is on YOU to prove that a God exists and not on me to prove one does not. The one making the claim of something (you) has an obligation to show the proof of the claim. If I say I have a BMW and you doubt me then I have to show the BMW and owners papers. Now if I hid that BMW somewhere on the planet or had it shipped to the moon how could you prove I didn't have one? This is why athesism is atheism. It's not being unruly or defiant. As the word implies A THEISM where the A means without and in this case without belief. The lack of belief stems from the fact there is no reason to believe a God exists. I don't think I can explain it any better than that. The difference between atheists and agnostics is just the level of conviction.

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[jwu]

The difference between atheists and agnostics is just the level of conviction.

Not entirely...Agnosticism is completely neutral regarding the question if God exists or not, there is no bias towards atheism. It's merely the stance that the existence or nonexistence of God cannot be determined.

I consider myself an agnostic Christian - i do believe that God exists, but not that His existence can be proven in any way. E.g. there is always a remote possibility that despite of my own conviction God might be a fake and not who He pretends to be. In essence, one would have to be God to know if God exists.

 

[reznwerks]

definitions

The difference between atheists and agnostics is just the level of conviction.

Not entirely...Agnosticism is completely neutral regarding the question if God exists or not, there is no bias towards atheism. It's merely the stance that the existence or nonexistence of God cannot be determined.
As in all faiths and no faiths I am sure there are levels of conviction for what they believe. However I will respond to yours. Personally I simply find it hard to accept the idea that somehow you can remain in the middle on the question. I just don't see a middle ground existing on the question. There has to be a leaning one way or the other based on your reasoning. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities. If you put it on a scale of 1-10 in belief with 10 being a strong belief in deities then atheists would start at 1. You see without realizing it if it cannot be determined in your mindset that a deity exists then by definition you are really an atheist.Maybe not a strong atheist but an atheist no less.

I consider myself an agnostic Christian - i do believe that God exists, but not that His existence can be proven in any way. E.g. there is always a remote possibility that despite of my own conviction God might be a fake and not who He pretends to be. In essence, one would have to be God to know if God exists.
I think the term "Anostic Christian" might be an oxymoron in that I can't see the two as being compatable. How do you consider yourself part Christian if you don't accept what Jesus is supposed to be? I can accept the agnostic part in which you believe a God might exist but might not be the Christian God.