Topic #3 Christ's "obedience" and "will".

[Deavonreye]

Of course there is only one God! He is three persons. If you cannot comprehend it, like most everyone, just believe it. He will help to settle it in your heart by His Spirit.

Or, it is all a matter of people being unable to rectify an obvious problem, so it "had to be a huge mystery that few can understand".

Three wills cannot be found in one person, or god. It is a contradiction at best, schitzophrenic at worst.

I will conclude that men had to create this great unknown mystery to fix problems with their "monotheism". Thanks.

 

[Free]

Or, it is all a matter of people being unable to rectify an obvious problem, so it "had to be a huge mystery that few can understand".

Three wills cannot be found in one person, or god. It is a contradiction at best, schitzophrenic at worst.

I will conclude that men had to create this great unknown mystery to fix problems with their "monotheism". Thanks.

I suggest you study definitions of the Trinity. One of the very foundations is that there are three "persons." Never can it be said that trinitarianism states that one person has three wills. There is no real problem. It is difficult and we cannot know the inner workings but our inability to fully comprehend does not mean there is a problem or it is untrue.

 

[Alabaster]

Or, it is all a matter of people being unable to rectify an obvious problem, so it "had to be a huge mystery that few can understand".

Three wills cannot be found in one person, or god. It is a contradiction at best, schitzophrenic at worst.

I will conclude that men had to create this great unknown mystery to fix problems with their "monotheism". Thanks.

The Trinity is eternally unified in will. Human logic is not something we need to rely on for spiritual truth. Thanks.

 

[Sparkey]

The Trinity is eternally unified in will. Human logic is not something we need to rely on for spiritual truth. Thanks.

It's not so big of a mystery. Actually the way the word "mysterion" is used in the bible isn't the same as what Agatha Christie writes about. More like, "Here is a mystery revealed." God is one. Jesus and God are one. The Holy Spirit is one with the Father and Son.

Where is the mystery? Oh, it is formed by our insistence that there is one? How about we just accept what we are told and drop the debate? We don't know what it's like yet but it was the prayer of our Lord that we may be "One with the Father even as Jesus is one with the Father." We don't know what we will be but we shall be like Him. We are partakers of the divine nature. We are, that is, if we accept and follow after Jesus. When the bible speaks of the parable of the wedding feast and when Paul speaks of the mystery - he shows clearly, reveals that it is FOR THIS REASON that a man shall leave his father and his mother ---> that the two shall be one.

He then says, in essence --here is a mystery revealed, I'm speaking of Christ and the Church. The mystery (to me) is how can God be so good? How can he consider me as one who can receive such a gift? We are children of the promise and will need to wait for His wonderful work to be revealed but it shall be revealed and even this mystery shall be known. As we turn and consider God in all our ways, as we depart sin and accept the fact that we are restored to the Father by the price paid by the Son - as we deny our flesh the experience of coming closer to Him is also revealed. When Jesus says, "My peace I leave for you," we must accept this part of Him too. We are to inherit much more than we can imagine, it has not even entered into the mind of man what God has prepared.

Privately I still don't believe that God can be so good as to have chosen me for such. It will be enough if I can see "her". Those who will. Keep your eyes open, the procession of the wedding feast begins on earth. All eyes will turn to behold "her". Those whose hearts are turned to the Father.

Psalm 34:14 (NASB) Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.
Psalm 19:14 (NASB) Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Your sight, O LORD, my rock and my Redeemer.
Jeremiah 1:5 (NASB) Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.
[Isaiah 62:1 KJV] - For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp [that] burneth.

 

[Deavonreye]

So, "one god" or "monotheism" isn't a quantity, but a quality. The "only one god" isn't talking about one being, but multiple beings that are [like a marriage] "one".

 

[Sparkey]

So, "one god" or "monotheism" isn't a quantity, but a quality. The "only one god" isn't talking about one being, but multiple beings that are [like a marriage] "one".

Maybe I simplified too much? "Multiple beings?" In as much as my thoughts are part of me - my "logos". Okay, let me try another tact. When a parent wants to speak about sexual matters to their child, it is done in an age appropriate manner. No parent is going to expect a child to have adult comprehension.

We are told the plan of God in a way that we, while in flesh, are able to understand in an age appropriate manner. Nature itself proclaims the "mystery". When we look a parables we are able to see without really seeing, that's the purpose. A farmer plants a seed, God speaks his word, the seed grows, Jesus interprets, roots are formed, we act on the truth, the plant grows, it is watered, kindness is shown by others. Can you look at a small seed and get a guess at what it will become? Can we know what a tree is while yet in germ form?

Well, as we go to another analogy the mystery is broadened. We know in marriage our body no longer belongs to us but to our spouse. We are the body of Christ. As we realize and act on this there comes to us the bread of life - the word of God - we pray and communicate with the Lord, walking with Him is our very air. The various parts of the body are alluded to in the bible - a foot should not be jealous to be an eye. Rather we are to understand that we are one body and together we walk with our betrothed, the "head" our king.

The blood brings both life and also removes impurities. When we see our brother sinning (not a sin that leads to death, there is a sin that leads to death, and I don't say pray for this) we are to pray and God will give LIFE. We know that all our prayers are answered because we pray according to the will of the Father. What is the will of the Father? It was demonstrated by the life of Jesus - he wants us to love the truth, to love justice AND mercy and to walk with Him.