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JJsaint
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How can Christians convince Aethists and Agnostics that the Bible is the word of God?
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Jman96
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I don't think the teaching is necessarily a let's convince others God is real. I look at it as, let's tell them our stories and show them what god has done and still does.
IMO Lots of people choose to lead by example, by showing the love for others, Gods love is shining through you.
IMO Lots of people choose to lead by example, by showing the love for others, Gods love is shining through you.
Jesusfreak97
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(I don't think I remember this correctly so if I mess up horribly...oh well) "Go and tell everyone who God is and if you have to, use words" You get the idea don't you?
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Chris
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It is easier for a camel to pass though the eye of a needle.. lol.
1st rule You cannot prove god exists scientifically or any other way. Bible doctrine does not prove god exists to a non believer. dont fall for that trap.
2nd rule when he denies god exists ask him to prove there is no god, because you cant.
fist you must define and measure God in a tangible to begin to search for God.
Ok so you cant prove God exists or doesn't exist.
The next arguement is the bible is all made up, misrepresented or false somehow.
You need to study bible origins and the bible itself to combat this reasoning. Also understanding how history got recorded then helps lot.
what are yo left with.personal accounts of gods interaction in your life. You only have the miracles in your life and the way it changed it.
Remind them also about how crappy you used to feel when you had a void inside and lots of guilt for things you did wrong and how faith in Jesus released you from misery.
How do you convert someone? Love, respect and the gospel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2AT_bMuFBfs
1st rule You cannot prove god exists scientifically or any other way. Bible doctrine does not prove god exists to a non believer. dont fall for that trap.
2nd rule when he denies god exists ask him to prove there is no god, because you cant.
fist you must define and measure God in a tangible to begin to search for God.
Ok so you cant prove God exists or doesn't exist.
The next arguement is the bible is all made up, misrepresented or false somehow.
You need to study bible origins and the bible itself to combat this reasoning. Also understanding how history got recorded then helps lot.
what are yo left with.personal accounts of gods interaction in your life. You only have the miracles in your life and the way it changed it.
Remind them also about how crappy you used to feel when you had a void inside and lots of guilt for things you did wrong and how faith in Jesus released you from misery.
How do you convert someone? Love, respect and the gospel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2AT_bMuFBfs
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JJsaint
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Don't Atheists/Agnostics look around and believe that all around us like the sky and trees were created by something else?
How can you tell them God created or formed all this if they say it was not formed by God?
If everything came from nothing,who created the nothing? - Is that a good question to ask?
Is there any good fellowship with non-Believers or should we let them be?
Psalm 14:1:The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
How can you tell them God created or formed all this if they say it was not formed by God?
If everything came from nothing,who created the nothing? - Is that a good question to ask?
Is there any good fellowship with non-Believers or should we let them be?
Psalm 14:1:The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Jesusfreak97
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You will reach more people if you chill and let them come to you. If they ask you great! One thing I have learned is that when you are sharing the Gospel you need to figure out do I want to really help this person or do I just want to be right? I am guilty of wanting to be right but I am trying to fix that. If someone comes up to you and says "hey what's this Jesus buisness about?" take a moment and ask God to give you the desires of your heart so your not desiring just to "win the debate" There's my rant. 
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JJsaint
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You will reach more people if you chill and let them come to you. If they ask you great! One thing I have learned is that when you are sharing the Gospel you need to figure out do I want to really help this person or do I just want to be right? I am guilty of wanting to be right but I am trying to fix that. If someone comes up to you and says "hey what's this Jesus buisness about?" take a moment and ask God to give you the desires of your heart so your not desiring just to "win the debate" There's my rant.
You have a good point there about not desiring to Just win the debate.
But what about all these Christian denominations,Roman Catholic,Protestant,Baptist,Methodist,Lutheran,Anglican,Mormons and Jehovah's Witness etc etc
What about if asked ''which is the right one''?
tim-from-pa
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I'm going to put some input here which I know I'll get some debate over, but it does not matter. I take the biblical stance that we are to preach the gospel as a witness to all nations. God does the conversion as "No man can come to me save the Spirit Draw him."
God decides right now who is to be saved, and it is not everyone right now. This is why Christ will come again to set up his Kingdom to later offer salvation to more people (even after that people will be saved).
I think the main problem with Christendom today is that they see Christ's first coming, but His Second Coming is as much of a mystery as the first one was in OT times. So, hindsight is always 20/20 and we all know what Christ did so the "rest" of the things to come (and there's more to come than what already passed) most of Christendom invents their own ideas based on paganism and misinterpreted Scripture, i.e about "dying and going to heaven" and that's not what it's all about by a long shot.
God's plan is shown in his feasts to Israel as those "set times" of the Lord are very, very prophetic as to how God mapped everything out. Only the first 4 feasts occurred. There's 4 more yet. Again, people see the last 4 but invent the future without regards to God's plan.
As for atheists. They, along with everyone else, will see the glory of the Lord and yes, even they will be offered salvation. Perhaps they are not called now --- no sense in trying to force a baby to be born before its time.
God decides right now who is to be saved, and it is not everyone right now. This is why Christ will come again to set up his Kingdom to later offer salvation to more people (even after that people will be saved).
I think the main problem with Christendom today is that they see Christ's first coming, but His Second Coming is as much of a mystery as the first one was in OT times. So, hindsight is always 20/20 and we all know what Christ did so the "rest" of the things to come (and there's more to come than what already passed) most of Christendom invents their own ideas based on paganism and misinterpreted Scripture, i.e about "dying and going to heaven" and that's not what it's all about by a long shot.
God's plan is shown in his feasts to Israel as those "set times" of the Lord are very, very prophetic as to how God mapped everything out. Only the first 4 feasts occurred. There's 4 more yet. Again, people see the last 4 but invent the future without regards to God's plan.
As for atheists. They, along with everyone else, will see the glory of the Lord and yes, even they will be offered salvation. Perhaps they are not called now --- no sense in trying to force a baby to be born before its time.
Jesusfreak97
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Well they are all right yet none of them are right. The only thing that is for certain is the Bible. If anything in those denominations contradicts the Bible it is wrong, if not then it is just their way of expressing their faith. Right for them, maybe not the right fit for you, just as long as it is in step with the Word. ;) Try doing some research on these denominations and do some Bible study along with that and see what you think.
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JJsaint
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Don't they believe the same things as each other?
I mean,the same Jesus,the same God,the same Bible?
Jesusfreak97
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Yeah they do, they just express it in different ways. A Catholic might express their faith by saying the rosary and a Protestant might do a devotional. Is one better than the other? No. Is one right? No. they are just different.
However there are some differences in beliefs like with Catholics about how they believe in praying to the saints, and Luterans don't. So yeah there are differences but they all believe Jesus did die and he is the savior. Honestly Jesus is Jesus and he accepts everyone so who cares who is right? If they all believe in Christ then they are all right.
However there are some differences in beliefs like with Catholics about how they believe in praying to the saints, and Luterans don't. So yeah there are differences but they all believe Jesus did die and he is the savior. Honestly Jesus is Jesus and he accepts everyone so who cares who is right? If they all believe in Christ then they are all right.
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JJsaint
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Yeah they do, they just express it in different ways. A Catholic might express their faith by saying the rosary and a Protestant might do a devotional. Is one better than the other? No. Is one right? No. they are just different.
However there are some differences in beliefs like with Catholics about how they believe in praying to the saints, and Luterans don't. So yeah there are differences but they all believe Jesus did die and he is the savior. Honestly Jesus is Jesus and he accepts everyone so who cares who is right? If they all believe in Christ then they are all right.
If this is about Jesus then shouldn't the denominations,for example the Catholic Church,shouldn't they say it's about the Pope?
Or the Lutherans,shouldn't they say it's about Luther?
Jesusfreak97
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I'm sorry I don't get what you are saying.
Mike
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Lutheran, here. No, it's not about Luther. Sola scripta - the Word made flesh. I believe no one will accept the word as the Word, absent the Word Himself. Before anyone accuses me of worshiping the Bible, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we cannot convince anyone that the Bible is the Word of God. It's an honor to be made a willing vessel to be used to Share Christ. God turns the heart to make them believe in the Word.
Your two first posts seemed to go in different directions. Is there a central point you're getting at?
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JJsaint
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If Christianity is about Jesus.ALL OF CHRISTIANITY.
Then with the Roman Catholic Church who have the Pope over them,shouldn't they say their denomination is about the Pope?
..Or with the Lutherans,why don't they say their denomination is about Luther?
If it is not about the Leaders or the founders,doesn't that make all denominations the same,only slightly different in their practices?
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JJsaint
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A point? how to preach to Aethists/Agnostics,I guess I get a bit off topic.
What is ''Sola scripta''?
Bonairos
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We can't. We are not capable of doing so.
Being convinced is a matter pertaining to the heart of mankind. I tend to only see the outward appearance. But God, God see's heart. It's His working.
Our job? Our job is to just let Jesus . . . be Jesus . . . in us.
Easier said then done! HAHA
Be blessed, Stay blessed and be Bold!
Being convinced is a matter pertaining to the heart of mankind. I tend to only see the outward appearance. But God, God see's heart. It's His working.
Our job? Our job is to just let Jesus . . . be Jesus . . . in us.
Easier said then done! HAHA
Be blessed, Stay blessed and be Bold!
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