True name of Elohim

[RND]

K now I understand, I'll pull out some more scriptures for you. Just give me some time

Why? Are you hoping I'll change my mind? Things, in my mind, can't be any more clear than this simple statement from Jesus: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." - John 5:39

The scriptures, that is the Tanakh - the Torah, the Psalms and the Prophets all testify of Jesus.

 

[seve]

Here's how I see it based on my biblical opinion...

The bottom-line is the Apologetic groups here believe that God is one in Number. It’s a belief that even the Oneness people and the Unitarians could relate to. Whereas, I believe that God is one in Unity. The Elohim (The plural of Eloah, God), who is one in Unity.

Deuteronomy 6:4 attests to this fact: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH or Jehovah) our God (Elohim, plural referring to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, who were all individually called God), is ONE (echad) LORD.

The use of “ECHAD†of Genesis 2:24 best explains the “ECHAD†of Deuteronomy 6:4. Therefore, when Moses said that the husband and wife (TWO BEINGS) would become “ECHAD†(one), that is a “collective one†of two beings.â€Â

ONE IN UNITY is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife were called ONE by God. How can the two in number, be One? This is possible only in the sense of UNITY. We can understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.†One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that the thousands can be one like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be one in this sense according to John 17:21.

God Bless

 

[RND]

Here's how I see it based on my biblical opinion...

The bottom-line is the Apologetic groups here believe that God is one in Number. It’s a belief that even the Oneness people and the Unitarians could relate to. Whereas, I believe that God is one in Unity. The Elohim (The plural of Eloah, God), who is one in Unity.

Deuteronomy 6:4 attests to this fact: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH or Jehovah) our God (Elohim, plural referring to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, who were all individually called God), is ONE (echad) LORD.

The use of “ECHAD†of Genesis 2:24 best explains the “ECHAD†of Deuteronomy 6:4. Therefore, when Moses said that the husband and wife (TWO BEINGS) would become “ECHAD†(one), that is a “collective one†of two beings.â€Â

ONE IN UNITY is used in the case of Gen. 2:24, when the husband and wife were called ONE by God. How can the two in number, be One? This is possible only in the sense of UNITY. We can understand John 10:30 in this sense, “I and my Father are one.†One in Unity not in number. It is also in this sense that the thousands can be one like the builders of the tower of Babel in Gen 11:6. Even the millions of Christians can be one in this sense according to John 17:21.

God Bless

Excellent points seve.

 

[fadinglight]

Why? Are you hoping I'll change my mind? Things, in my mind, can't be any more clear than this simple statement from Jesus: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." - John 5:39

The scriptures, that is the Tanakh - the Torah, the Psalms and the Prophets all testify of Jesus.


No I can't change your belief. You are responsible for yourself, I simply wanted time to pull out more scriptures of my belief in hope to educate and inform. And also to prove the true name (which was the purpose of this thread, not to challenge other peoples belief). And yes I believe that Yahweh the father Yahshua the son, and the holy spirit are in unity, but dont create 1 deity. The holy spirit is the unity of the father and son (and I'll further research in scripture so I can be certain I'm correct) but the Holy spirit is not a being in itselft. Only Yahweh the father and Yahshua the son. (Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation or the Salvation of Yahweh). Jesus has no meaning and is at best is a poor transliteration of Yahshua, and at worst is transliterated from an ancient Greek god of healing called Iesous. If Yahshua was transliterated from Hebrew to English it would most likely be Joshua (as they sound phonetically similiar).



Also would like to add, for reasons why I'm asking for time, I'm 18 so I like to be careful with what I say because scripture is very important and we are commanded not to misinterpret scripture into heresy. So yes I ask for more time so I can be certain I'm not misinterpreting and and not missing important scriptures or important information which includes history, I see no problem in that.

 

[seve]

Excellent points seve.

Thanks. ;)

God bless

 

[RND]

No I can't change your belief. You are responsible for yourself, I simply wanted time to pull out more scriptures of my belief in hope to educate and inform. And also to prove the true name (which was the purpose of this thread, not to challenge other peoples belief). And yes I believe that Yahweh the father Yahshua the son, and the holy spirit are in unity, but dont create 1 deity.

So then you don't believe in the Godhead of the Bible. No biggie. I mean Nicodemus was a Master of Israel and couldn't see the Holy Spirit as depicted in the OT!

Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Jhn 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jhn 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

The holy spirit is the unity of the father and son (and I'll further research in scripture so I can be certain I'm correct) but the Holy spirit is not a being in itselft.

It's not!!?? The Holy Spirit is personified in scripture as a "He" is He not?

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Obviously this personification indicates clearly that the Holy Spirit is male, just as Jesus the Son and God the Father are personified.

Only Yahweh the father and Yahshua the son. (Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation or the Salvation of Yahweh).
Jesus has no meaning and is at best is a poor transliteration of Yahshua, and at worst is transliterated from an ancient Greek god of healing called Iesous. If Yahshua was transliterated from Hebrew to English it would most likely be Joshua (as they sound phonetically similiar).

Yahshua is simply the name YÄ•howshuwa`(Joshua) which means: Jehovah-saved.

Also would like to add, for reasons why I'm asking for time, I'm 18 so I like to be careful with what I say because scripture is very important and we are commanded not to misinterpret scripture into heresy. So yes I ask for more time so I can be certain I'm not misinterpreting and and not missing important scriptures or important information which includes history, I see no problem in that.

Take as much time as you need. I would ask you though to be very considerate and careful in being so quick to claim the Holy Spirit isn't part of the Godhead.

 

[seve]

Who is the Lord "Thy Maker" being referred to as "Thine HUSBAND" in the Book of Isaiah?

Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine HUSBAND; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Answer: The Lord (YHWH) himself, the Son God, is thy MAKER / HUSBAND - the One who formed / made Man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (Gen. 2:7).

Another biblical proof?

Revelation 21
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her HUSBAND.
v9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the BRIDE, the Lamb's wife.

God Bless

 

[fadinglight]

Please view either from the audio tab or video tab Name above all Names at coyhwh.com

Please Please view it, it'll explain a lot more than what I can, and its very informational. Name above all names video/audio tab at coyhwh.com

and Hopefully you'll listen to it all, and not be ignorant and end it at something you believe differently and come back saying something else. Please just take the time to listen, be humble and after you listen to it you can use that information for w/e you will.


Also please view The Power of Elohim (video tab) I'm listening to this one now and this one isnt addressing the original thread (the name), but it addresses the issues your talking about.

 

[RND]

Please view either from the audio tab or video tab Name above all Names at coyhwh.com

Please Please view it, it'll explain a lot more than what I can, and its very informational. Name above all names video/audio tab at coyhwh.com

and Hopefully you'll listen to it all, and not be ignorant and end it at something you believe differently and come back saying something else. Please just take the time to listen, be humble and after you listen to it you can use that information for w/e you will.


Also please view The Power of Elohim (video tab)

Learning from others is cool. Let us indeed be open minded. However, let us put our full faith in the word of God alone and the Holy Spirit's guidance to help us understand His word. Amen?