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True teachings of Jesus

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The teachings of Jesus found in every translation on earth.
1) Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)Matt 6)
2) Matthew 5:5-- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH.
3) The Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name-YHWH(Jehovah) in many translations last line-The kingdom, power and glory( all belong to the Father)
4) John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Jesus teaches-the Father is his God just like ours.
John 17:1-6,26-- verse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father-THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent forth Jesus. verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26 = YHWH(Jehovah)
John 15:20-21--Jesus warns those, that on account of his name, (believing they follow him) that they will do things against his true followers, because they do not know the one who sent him=YHWH(Jehovah)John 5:30)
John 4:22-24-- Jesus warns all that their god is false, then teaches all how to properly serve God. He says the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth.

I guarantee you this--The real teachers on earth that have Jesus teach exactly what he taught without fail.
 
The teachings of Jesus found in every translation on earth.
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I guarantee you this--The real teachers on earth that have Jesus teach exactly what he taught without fail.
That rules out the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus told the thief he would be with Him in paradise after they died:

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Lk. 23:43 KJV)

The WatchTower doesn't believe that, you don't believe that. You believe Jesus AND the thief both ceased to exist when they died, only their memory was preserved in the Mind of God.

AND you believe a copy of them comes into existence, when they are resurrected.

The copy of the thief theoretically could be recreated while the thief was still living, then take the Roman's Soldier's place and kill the thief.

Now I ask you, "which was the real thief?" The one who was killed, or the killer?

There is no real connection between the thief who died and the copy of him that is "recreated."

God could make dozens of them if He wanted to. Which would be the thief Christ spoke to? None of them.

So the Jehovah's Witnesses are not real teachers of Christ.
 
Actually, the real teachers of Jesus’ words DO what he said. The actors merely say the “right” words.

Hard to do if not taught correctly. Like Matt 6:33--Jesus didnt teach to seek Jesus righteousness he teaches to seek his God and Fathers righteousness-first-First means over self, work, and family.
 
That rules out the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus told the thief he would be with Him in paradise after they died:

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Lk. 23:43 KJV)

The WatchTower doesn't believe that, you don't believe that. You believe Jesus AND the thief both ceased to exist when they died, only their memory was preserved in the Mind of God.

AND you believe a copy of them comes into existence, when they are resurrected.

The copy of the thief theoretically could be recreated while the thief was still living, then take the Roman's Soldier's place and kill the thief.

Now I ask you, "which was the real thief?" The one who was killed, or the killer?

There is no real connection between the thief who died and the copy of him that is "recreated."

God could make dozens of them if He wanted to. Which would be the thief Christ spoke to? None of them.

So the Jehovah's Witnesses are not real teachers of Christ.


Actually the comma placement in your bible is error
Truly i tell you, today you will be with me in paradise= error
Truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise= correct
Proof-Jesus was in Hades 3 days-he could not be in paradise on that first day. And to teach paradise is in Hades is insanity. Eden translates paradise--it will be on earth during the 1000 year reign, earth will be transformed into paradise. Thats the new earth.
 
Actually the comma placement in your bible is error
Truly i tell you, today you will be with me in paradise= error
Truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise= correct
Proof-Jesus was in Hades 3 days-he could not be in paradise on that first day. And to teach paradise is in Hades is insanity. Eden translates paradise--it will be on earth during the 1000 year reign, earth will be transformed into paradise. Thats the new earth.
That's irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. Did I argue WHEN they would be in paradise?

NO.

YOU don't believe they will ever be in paradise. They remain dead, both Jesus and the thief.

ONLY their copies will exist in paradise.

You think resurrection is "recreation", from God's memory. Or don't you know what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

Is This Life All There Is?
...
"Similar to what happens at the time of conception, at the time of the resurrection or re-creation the deceased person will have his personality and life record restored to him, every cell of this body being impressed with the characteristics that make him different from all other persons. And his heart, mind and body will have impressed within them the added qualities, traits and abilities that he developed during his former lifetime...

"Accordingly, as soon as the genetic combinations are formed at the time of conception, Jehovah God is capable of perceiving and having a record of a child's basic traits. So it is wholly logical that he is capable of having an accurate record by which to re-create one who has died.

We can have confidence in Jehovah's perfect memory.
Why, even imperfect humans, by means of videotape, can preserve and construct visible and audible reproductions of persons. Far greater is God's ability to keep such records, for he calls all the numberless stars by name!-Psalm 147:4

It can be seen, therefore, that resurrection or recreation is possible because the deceased individual lives in God's memory...-Is This Life All There Is, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1974, pp. 173, 172.


Recreation is NOT a synonym for the Bible doctrine of Resurrection, which is a revival of the body that died, and reuniting it to person (soul) who died.

The Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe Jesus and the Thief ended up in paradise, EVER. They believe a copy of them was made.

Therefore, they do not believe Jesus who told the thief he would be in paradise with Him.


Don't care when, according to the Society, it will NEVER happen.
 
That's irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. Did I argue WHEN they would be in paradise?

NO.

YOU don't believe they will ever be in paradise. They remain dead, both Jesus and the thief.

ONLY their copies will exist in paradise.

You think resurrection is "recreation", from God's memory. Or don't you know what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

Is This Life All There Is?
...
"Similar to what happens at the time of conception, at the time of the resurrection or re-creation the deceased person will have his personality and life record restored to him, every cell of this body being impressed with the characteristics that make him different from all other persons. And his heart, mind and body will have impressed within them the added qualities, traits and abilities that he developed during his former lifetime...

"Accordingly, as soon as the genetic combinations are formed at the time of conception, Jehovah God is capable of perceiving and having a record of a child's basic traits. So it is wholly logical that he is capable of having an accurate record by which to re-create one who has died.

We can have confidence in Jehovah's perfect memory.
Why, even imperfect humans, by means of videotape, can preserve and construct visible and audible reproductions of persons. Far greater is God's ability to keep such records, for he calls all the numberless stars by name!-Psalm 147:4

It can be seen, therefore, that resurrection or recreation is possible because the deceased individual lives in God's memory...-Is This Life All There Is, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1974, pp. 173, 172.


Recreation is NOT a synonym for the Bible doctrine of Resurrection, which is a revival of the body that died, and reuniting it to person (soul) who died.

The Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe Jesus and the Thief ended up in paradise, EVER. They believe a copy of them was made.

Therefore, they do not believe Jesus who told the thief he would be in paradise with Him.


Don't care when, according to the Society, it will NEVER happen.
I remember that teaching .not sure if they still are that way.

I was raised in the hall
 
I remember that teaching .not sure if they still are that way.

I was raised in the hall
Hope that wasn't with the "Kids in the Hall", quirky comedy of yesteryear, now trying to comeback.

"Mad Dog" Mattis, who would have thought that quote came from a Washington Elite suck up.

But no, Christ rose on the third day, and the thief immediately was "gathered to his people" to Abraham's bosom, where the presence of God, including God's Only Begotten Son, always is. But the human spirit of Christ had to descend into hell at that time.

This is one of the "proofs" for the Christian doctrine of Christ as both God and man. As God, Jesus is always "in heaven = paradise", but as man He could be on earth or His spirit descending into hell:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Jn. 3:13 KJV)

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
(1 Pet. 3:18-19 NKJ)
 
Hope that wasn't with the "Kids in the Hall", quirky comedy of yesteryear, now trying to comeback.

"Mad Dog" Mattis, who would have thought that quote came from a Washington Elite suck up.

But no, Christ rose on the third day, and the thief immediately was "gathered to his people" to Abraham's bosom, where the presence of God, including God's Only Begotten Son, always is. But the human spirit of Christ had to descend into hell at that time.

This is one of the "proofs" for the Christian doctrine of Christ as both God and man. As God, Jesus is always "in heaven = paradise", but as man He could be on earth or His spirit descending into hell:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Jn. 3:13 KJV)

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
(1 Pet. 3:18-19 NKJ)
I was raised as a jw.
It helps to at least listen to a person .I was teaching it.i can still quote their Tract society of then.they meet in the kingdom hall not a church and say I attend the hall with a north or south congregation.

1976 to 1991.

They changed a few things .

I am no longer a jw .
 
Actually the comma placement in your bible is error
Truly i tell you, today you will be with me in paradise= error
Truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise= correct
Proof-Jesus was in Hades 3 days-he could not be in paradise on that first day. And to teach paradise is in Hades is insanity. Eden translates paradise--it will be on earth during the 1000 year reign, earth will be transformed into paradise. Thats the new earth.
What verses do you use to show Jesus was in hades 3 days?
 
Actually the comma placement in your bible is error
Truly i tell you, today you will be with me in paradise= error
Truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise= correct
Proof-Jesus was in Hades 3 days-he could not be in paradise on that first day. And to teach paradise is in Hades is insanity. Eden translates paradise--it will be on earth during the 1000 year reign, earth will be transformed into paradise. Thats the new earth.
There are no commas in NT Greek. And Jesus went where all the dead went until he left taking a host with him. All the dead were there, including the thief. The difference is that thief was with him there, not just there.
 
I was raised as a jw.
It helps to at least listen to a person .I was teaching it.i can still quote their Tract society of then.they meet in the kingdom hall not a church and say I attend the hall with a north or south congregation.

1976 to 1991.

They changed a few things .

I am no longer a jw .
Sorry I misunderstood. I saw Mattis quoted, thought you an unbeliever.

That generation alive since 1914 is getting a bit old, have they changed that spiel yet?

No longer a JW, but did you become a Christian? Hope so, its wonderful.

You were in for a long time.

I studied with them only a few months, but for years read their publications and distributed them on my own. I was trying to prove the Holy Trinity wrong on my own, went to a public library and there saw "Apostles of Denial" by E. Gruss.

It got me to look at the Bible, and Acts 13:2 made me realize the Holy Spirit is a Person, not an active force. Then God led me to Baptists, who led me to Christ:

Never looked back.

 
Sorry I misunderstood. I saw Mattis quoted, thought you an unbeliever.

That generation alive since 1914 is getting a bit old, have they changed that spiel yet?

No longer a JW, but did you become a Christian? Hope so, its wonderful.

You were in for a long time.

I studied with them only a few months, but for years read their publications and distributed them on my own. I was trying to prove the Holy Trinity wrong on my own, went to a public library and there saw "Apostles of Denial" by E. Gruss.

It got me to look at the Bible, and Acts 13:2 made me realize the Holy Spirit is a Person, not an active force. Then God led me to Baptists, who led me to Christ:

Never looked back.

Because I served in Afghanistan,I had live that "be nice ,be courteous,have a plan to kill everyone you meet"
.

There are places in America,in fact the rapist is seldom a stranger to the victim.my sister was raped by a family friend and her boyfriend after that incident .so some do act that way .vets fully get my quote.
 
Because I served in Afghanistan,I had live that "be nice ,be courteous,have a plan to kill everyone you meet"
.

There are places in America,in fact the rapist is seldom a stranger to the victim.my sister was raped by a family friend and her boyfriend after that incident .so some do act that way .vets fully get my quote.
I like the quote and for a soldier in Afghanistan, that should be the plan. Treachery is everywhere.

Too bad treachery is among us also, sometimes our own family. I think America is in trouble:

9 "In you are men who slander to cause bloodshed; in you are those who eat on the mountains; in your midst they commit lewdness.
10 "In you men uncover their fathers' nakedness; in you they violate women who are set apart during their impurity.
11 "One commits abomination with his neighbor's wife; another lewdly defiles his daughter-in-law; and another in you violates his sister, his father's daughter.
12 "In you they take bribes to shed blood; you take usury and increase; you have made profit from your neighbors by extortion, and have forgotten Me," says the Lord GOD.
13 "Behold, therefore, I beat My fists at the dishonest profit which you have made, and at the bloodshed which has been in your midst.
14 "Can your heart endure, or can your hands remain strong, in the days when I shall deal with you? I, the LORD, have spoken, and will do it. (Ezek. 22:9-14 NKJ)

I've met exJWs that were burnt out, couldn't get beyond the propaganda against Classic Christianity. The presence of so many TARES among the Wheat don't help.

It was really hard for me, and I wasn't a baptized JW. I couldn't see "God's people" and was in deep despair. But God answered my cry when I called out to Jesus Christ for salvation, as long as I called out to Jehovah He would not answer:

Here's my story:

Lots of time on ships to read. On one of them I happened upon the Jehovah's Witnesses' book "Evolution or Creation". Convinced by its creationist arguments I decided to read their New World Translation of the Bible. The Word of God had a unique power over me, I was compelled to read it cover to cover and then again. I couldn't put it down.

The time came when I was determined to become a JW. I was convinced they alone were God's people, and everyone else belonged to "Babylon the Great." I hastened to the San Pedro Kingdom Hall to be baptized. But they insisted I answer a question first, to see if I really understood JW beliefs.

"What do you believe about baptism"-the Elder asked. Immediately I paraphrased Romans 6:3-4 "We are buried with Christ, and we are raised with Christ!" That is the wrong answer, unless JWs believe you are one of the "144,000" anointed. They clearly did not believe I was because they insisted I complete discipleship indoctrination.

While at the public library researching I came upon "Apostles of Denial," by Edmond C. Gruss. I was determined to prove his arguments against JW belief wrong. None of his arguments for the Deity of Christ were making sense to me. I blazed my way through his book, until I got where he argued the Holy Spirit must be a "Person" and not an impersonal force of God as JWs believe. He uses personal pronouns "I" "Me" and even commands the disciples to act for "Me". When reading Acts 13:2 is was as if JW doctrines were like a house of cards, the collapse was truly great. I "knew" as the Holy Spirit says "I", Me", He is a "Person":

As they were publicly ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: "Of all persons set Barnabas and Saul apart for me for the work to which I have them.-Acts 13:2 New World Translation

I was devastated. I felt totally alone, "if the Jehovah's Witnesses are not God's people, who are?" [It didn't occur to me the E. C. Gruss was!!!] I cried out in prayer to Jehovah, "please help me, I beg you! I can't see who your people are!". I was absolutely devastated, went about as if in a stupor. But Jehovah would not answer me.

One day a Baptist Radio minister was urging listeners to call in and confess "Jesus Christ is LORD" and that God "raised Him from the dead" publicly (Mat. 10:32) and you will be saved. "God does not lie," and He promised:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Rom. 10:9 KJV)
I rushed to the public phone in the lobby of the Amory Hotel. A few of my fellow sailors sat there socializing, they would overhear every word I said on the phone!" Then a thought appeared: "You don't want to embarrass yourself in front of them! You'll be a laughingstock!" I drove the thought away thinking: "I want Jesus to be my LORD more than life itself!"

The Radio minister asked "do you confess Jesus Christ is LORD!" "Yes, I confess Jesus Christ is LORD!" "Do you believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead?" "Yes, I believe God raised Him from the dead!"

"Then you are saved, for God cannot lie and in Romans 10: 9-11 He says:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (Rom. 10:9-11 KJV)
I thanked him profusely and went to my room, stunned. As I was pondering these things I was "baptized in the Holy Spirit!"
God the Holy Spirit fell upon me like a warm wind, filling my soul regenerating it. The washing of regeneration (Tit. 3:5) renewed my spirit (Rom. 8:16), not my flesh body or brain (Rom. 7:18). My soul, the "ghost operating the machine" became a partaker of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). God breathed into my soul the "breath of lives" and the filling gave rise to a "new creature" (Gen. 2:7; 2 Cor. 5:17), risen from the dead in Christ Jesus my LORD (Rom. 6:4). Over forty years ago this happened, and never has the Spirit left or forsaken me. God is more real to me than anyone or anything existing.

So why reveal my conversion experience? As a Cessationist I can't claim special revelation. I certainly am not a prophet. I study scripture to show myself approved (2 Tim. 2:15). I believe Scripture alone 100% true, is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.

Normally the regeneration experience revealed in scripture is "spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14-15; 1 John 2:29; 3:7) because it is "beyond the physical senses" in the realm of the "Holy Spirit to the human spirit".
So why did God grant I "experientially know" Scripture is speaking of actual events when it reveals the new birth? I believe God wanted me to testify, without any doubt "scripture is true", that the regeneration by the Holy Spirit is an event that is real in everyone who calls upon the name of the LORD. It is the SAME for EVERY born again believer whether they "felt something supernatural" or not.



Every believer partakes of the divine nature (2Pet. 1:4) at regeneration, when the weak human spirit becomes "a new creature" "living man" born from above in Christ. Because that change occurs "Spirit to spirit" (Rom. 8:16), not in the flesh, the senses of the flesh are unaware of it. Just as we cannot "feel the soul existing in us", we cannot feel what is happening in our spirit apart from our flesh. So nothing is felt physically. If anyone believes a physical experience occurred when they were regenerated, they are putting "the cart before the horse". Their changed heart and mind may have caused the physical organ of the brain to produce the electro-chemicals creating the physical experience, but there is no real connection between the Holy Spirit and that physical sensation (Rom. 7:18). That explains why scripture NEVER identifies a physical experience as being the work of the Holy Spirit. Our physical regeneration must wait for the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:35-56).





 
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That's irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. Did I argue WHEN they would be in paradise?

NO.

YOU don't believe they will ever be in paradise. They remain dead, both Jesus and the thief.

ONLY their copies will exist in paradise.

You think resurrection is "recreation", from God's memory. Or don't you know what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

Is This Life All There Is?
...
"Similar to what happens at the time of conception, at the time of the resurrection or re-creation the deceased person will have his personality and life record restored to him, every cell of this body being impressed with the characteristics that make him different from all other persons. And his heart, mind and body will have impressed within them the added qualities, traits and abilities that he developed during his former lifetime...

"Accordingly, as soon as the genetic combinations are formed at the time of conception, Jehovah God is capable of perceiving and having a record of a child's basic traits. So it is wholly logical that he is capable of having an accurate record by which to re-create one who has died.

We can have confidence in Jehovah's perfect memory.
Why, even imperfect humans, by means of videotape, can preserve and construct visible and audible reproductions of persons. Far greater is God's ability to keep such records, for he calls all the numberless stars by name!-Psalm 147:4

It can be seen, therefore, that resurrection or recreation is possible because the deceased individual lives in God's memory...-Is This Life All There Is, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1974, pp. 173, 172.


Recreation is NOT a synonym for the Bible doctrine of Resurrection, which is a revival of the body that died, and reuniting it to person (soul) who died.

The Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe Jesus and the Thief ended up in paradise, EVER. They believe a copy of them was made.

Therefore, they do not believe Jesus who told the thief he would be in paradise with Him.


Don't care when, according to the Society, it will NEVER happen.
Yes the thief will be in paradise, after he is resurrected which does not occur until after Armageddon. Proving he was not in paradise on that first day.
 
There are no commas in NT Greek. And Jesus went where all the dead went until he left taking a host with him. All the dead were there, including the thief. The difference is that thief was with him there, not just there.
Yes Hades is where they were= the grave. Jesus was resurrected on the 3rd day, thus was not in paradise on the first day. As well the bible is clear the resurrection occurs after Armageddon.
 
How come not much response to what Jesus teaches? In light of John 3:36--one better learn every teaching properly and apply them. His teachings dont fit with what you are being taught do they? Best to take his words seriously, he meant every one of them.
 
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