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two baptisms?
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Hi, Nick_29,
It seems to me that these examples that you have referenced…of the laying on of hands by the apostles…were to remedy the baptisms of John the Baptist, who had baptised in the name of Jesus Christ ONLY, rather than in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as taught/commanded in The Great Commission, and which applies to us today, also.
See below...
Matthew 28 KJV
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
It appears that this situation would only be an issue for the church during the first century.
I don’t see this as being applicable to Christians today.
Also, my new searches for passages containing “confirmation†resulted in the following two verses.
Philippians 1 KJV
(7) Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
Hebrews 6 KJV
(16) For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
After some discussion with others, I don’t see these two passages above, or even your passages referenced earlier, as speaking to the issue of “confirmation†as it relates to Anglicans, Catholics or Eastern Orthodox.
If I am understanding things correctly, “confirmation,†in the context of those churches, is to somehow validate the unscriptural, as I see it, rite of “infant baptism.â€Â
I will only say that I see this as wrong on more than one level.
Discussing Catholic issues will probably result in this thread being locked, so I will leave things as they are at this point regarding "confirmation".
However, if you wish to further discuss "two baptisms," I would be interested to know your views on the Gentile baptisms of Acts 10 and 11, as well as any others.
In Christ,
Pogo
It seems to me that these examples that you have referenced…of the laying on of hands by the apostles…were to remedy the baptisms of John the Baptist, who had baptised in the name of Jesus Christ ONLY, rather than in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as taught/commanded in The Great Commission, and which applies to us today, also.
See below...
Matthew 28 KJV
(19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
It appears that this situation would only be an issue for the church during the first century.
I don’t see this as being applicable to Christians today.
Also, my new searches for passages containing “confirmation†resulted in the following two verses.
Philippians 1 KJV
(7) Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
Hebrews 6 KJV
(16) For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
After some discussion with others, I don’t see these two passages above, or even your passages referenced earlier, as speaking to the issue of “confirmation†as it relates to Anglicans, Catholics or Eastern Orthodox.
If I am understanding things correctly, “confirmation,†in the context of those churches, is to somehow validate the unscriptural, as I see it, rite of “infant baptism.â€Â
I will only say that I see this as wrong on more than one level.
Discussing Catholic issues will probably result in this thread being locked, so I will leave things as they are at this point regarding "confirmation".
However, if you wish to further discuss "two baptisms," I would be interested to know your views on the Gentile baptisms of Acts 10 and 11, as well as any others.
In Christ,
Pogo
Nick
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In the Anglican church, it is encouraged that your parents baptise you after you are born. They make vows to try and raise you up in Christ as much as they can. Confirmation (which you don't have to do) just means that you are confirming those vows that your parents said for yourself. This includes, while you say these vows, the laying of hands upon you by the bishop.
The confirmation is done in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit.
I fail to see anything wrong with this.
I am also not sure in what you are saying about Catholic discussion. I haven't raised any Catholic discussion. They do confirmation in the Catholic church (from my understanding) but it is different to Anglican.
As I stated before, I don't think the bible names it confirmation, so that is why your searches for confirmation don't come up with anything relevant.
The confirmation is done in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit.
I fail to see anything wrong with this.
I am also not sure in what you are saying about Catholic discussion. I haven't raised any Catholic discussion. They do confirmation in the Catholic church (from my understanding) but it is different to Anglican.
As I stated before, I don't think the bible names it confirmation, so that is why your searches for confirmation don't come up with anything relevant.
Nick
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Pogo said:
Hi Pogo. I assume by the gentile baptisms in Acts 10 and 11, you are asking me on my views of the gentiles coming to know Christ?
I love the fact that the Gentiles came to know Christ, and that's the beauty of Jesus, that he came to save everyone.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood what you have said about the Gentile baptisms in Acts 10 and 11.
Hi, Nick -
The scriptures mention many different baptisms...water, fire, Holy Spirit, John's, etc.
The two most discussed are the baptisms of water and the baptisms of the Holy Spirit.
Yet, the scriptures also tell us that there is only ONE baptism.
Ephesians 4 KJV
(5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Based on the teachings of the Gentile baptisms found in Acts 10 and 11, which baptism would be the ONE baptism spoken of in Ephesians 4:5.
In Christ,
Pogo
The scriptures mention many different baptisms...water, fire, Holy Spirit, John's, etc.
The two most discussed are the baptisms of water and the baptisms of the Holy Spirit.
Yet, the scriptures also tell us that there is only ONE baptism.
Ephesians 4 KJV
(5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Based on the teachings of the Gentile baptisms found in Acts 10 and 11, which baptism would be the ONE baptism spoken of in Ephesians 4:5.
In Christ,
Pogo
I disagree.
When the Holy Spirit was received by Cornelius, and all of the other Gentiles at his house, why then were they also commanded to be baptised with water?
The lesson I learned from Acts 10 and 11 is that baptism of the Holy Spirit...alone...is insuficient!
Many denominations teach that baptism of the Holy Spirit is all that is required for salvation, dismissing water baptism entirely.
Everyone should be more concerned about what the Bible teaches, rather than what a church or denomination teaches!
In Christ,
Pogo
When the Holy Spirit was received by Cornelius, and all of the other Gentiles at his house, why then were they also commanded to be baptised with water?
The lesson I learned from Acts 10 and 11 is that baptism of the Holy Spirit...alone...is insuficient!
Many denominations teach that baptism of the Holy Spirit is all that is required for salvation, dismissing water baptism entirely.
Everyone should be more concerned about what the Bible teaches, rather than what a church or denomination teaches!
In Christ,
Pogo
Nick
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I come from a Bible-based Church. Baptism of the holy spirit alone is enough to be saved. I view baptism with water as more symbolic. And if you have had a spiritual baptism, then you don't need a water baptism.
About Cornelius's house, I think that is more symbolic.
About Cornelius's house, I think that is more symbolic.
Nick
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I too come from a Bible-based church; Southern Baptist. We believe and teach a baptism by Jesus in (or of) the Holy Spirit, with the baptizo (immersion) being an outward expression of an inward change.[/quote:c3i06ks4]Vic C. said:
Yes, that's exactly what our church does as well.