USA lags behind other developed nations in health care

[Lewis]

U.S. healthcare once again lags behind other developed nations in quality


Lack of access and equity combined with poor efficiency are primary factors in why the U.S. ranks dead last in healthcare quality when compared with six other industrialized nations in a new report released this week by private Washington, D.C.-based healthcare foundation The Commonwealth Fund.
Karen Davis, the foundation's president, believes that while the newly passed healthcare law should go a long way toward remedying the situation, once it fully takes effect in 2014, currently the fact that the U.S. spends the most on healthcare--$7,290 per capita per year--while getting the least out of it is "disappointing." By comparison, the Netherlands, ranked No. 1 in the Commonwealth Fund's report, spends $3,837 per capita annually on healthcare.

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"Other nations ensure the accessibility of care through universal health insurance systems and through better ties between patients and the physician practices that serve as their long-term 'medical homes,'" the executive summary said. "Without reform, it is not surprising that the U.S. currently underperforms relative to other countries on measures of access to care and equity in healthcare between populations with above-average and below-average incomes."
Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, believes, however, that not even reform will be able to improve the status of the U.S. on the list, according to a HealthDay News article. She instead thinks that the increased role of private insurers will only serve to "obstruct care and drive up costs" more.
"Unfortunately, the U.S. will almost certainly continue in last place, since the recently passed health reform will leave 23 million Americans without coverage," Woolhandler said.
This is not the first time the U.S. has ranked last on the Commonwealth Fund's Mirror, Mirror list. It also ranked last in 2007, 2006 and 2004. Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand and the United Kingdom are the five other nations analyzed in the report.



U.S. healthcare once again lags behind other developed nations in quality - FierceHealthcare

 

[jasoncran]

yeah behind the neatherlands

where they put chronic ill to their deaths even at the ripe old age of 12, rather then treat them.

the abuses of euthenasia there are the most horrid.

yup the best care there for sure.

 

[reba]

Growing up health care was prayer, mom, plenty of fluids, and vicks. How did we ever make it?

 

[jasoncran]

Growing up health care was prayer, mom, plenty of fluids, and vicks. How did we ever make it?

i believe in those days one only saw a doctor when you were dying.

 

[Lewis]

The system that France uses has us beat, and we are a much more richer country.

 

[jasoncran]

The system that France uses has us beat, and we are a much more richer country.

i should ask my relatives there on that one. i have a few there,

but this is the u.s. and my from experciences with the u.s. military healthcare, YOU dont want that.

cant sue the govt when they mess up your healthcare

 

[reba]

The system that France uses has us beat, and we are a much more richer country.

We best be carefull we may get what we ask for.



Take a good close look at the government schools then tell me you trust them with your health.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I'm watching the news now about how Obamacare was ruled unconstitutional. I agree (that's my Libertarian philosophy). The thing I am concerned with is if we have mandated health insurance, how long will it be before the provisions of it will be "to follow the doctor's orders" at risk of breaking the law if you don't? That opens a lot of doors to cram their philosophy down your throat such as Big Pharma will get involved with their drugs to make money off of us peons.

 

[Nick]

This is not surprising, and I've been saying this for 2 years on these forums. Sure, no healthcare system is perfect. Australia's is far from perfect, but it has the right idea, same with the Netherlands from what I know. The United States' system is obviously not working well for a developed country, despite spending twice as much per capita on healthcare than the Netherlands. Something is very wrong indeed.

 

[Nick]

where they put chronic ill to their deaths even at the ripe old age of 12, rather then treat them.

Evidence? Or just gossip?

the abuses of euthenasia there are the most horrid.

Doesn't surprise me that euthenasia is legal there (btw it's not in my state). That doesn't make the system bad on principal. Euthenasia is only one part. But any system that legalises euthenasia opens up a whole can of worms and the ease for abuse of the system is great.

 

[jasoncran]

This is not surprising, and I've been saying this for 2 years on these forums. Sure, no healthcare system is perfect. Australia's is far from perfect, but it has the right idea, same with the Netherlands from what I know. The United States' system is obviously not working well for a developed country, despite spending twice as much per capita on healthcare. Something is very wrong indeed.

i have heard that for yrs, and yet the things that govt has promised to do for its vets is ONE reason this vet doesnt want it.

the deaths of soldiers at the hands the va shall not be forgotten

nor the cheap prosituted way i was treated and my co was treated so that some officers could look good shall not be easily forgotten.

if we cant keep a simple promise to the small vet population how shall we expect to do so with the entire populous?

think about when i was in the army before some were born all care was free , (to include spouses, kids)

not so anymore they must be paid for now to include dental.

before any cut was made to the units or manpower that was the first thing to go.

nick that euthanasia thing is well known fact, i can post that and that should be something that you would agree

they killed kids that werent in perfect health but were treatable and managable.in fact i will do that.

 

[jasoncran]

Evidence? Or just gossip?


Doesn't surprise me that euthenasia is legal there (btw it's not in my state). That doesn't make the system bad on principal. Euthenasia is only one part. But any system that legalises euthenasia opens up a whole can of worms and the ease for abuse of the system is great.

Euthanasia cases in Holland rise by 13 per cent in a year - Telegraph

nick its CHEAPER to kill the chronically ill then to treat them.

5k to kill or million to get a few yrs longer

either way, you would be screaming if your private insurance did that.(and they do in some cases) they deny treatments or meds.

by with the govt its ok go figure.

 

[jasoncran]

For anyone paying attention to the continuing collapse of medical ethics in the Netherlands, this isn't at all shocking. Dutch doctors have been surreptitiously engaging in eugenic euthanasia of disabled babies for years, although it technically is illegal, since infants can't consent to be killed. Indeed, a disturbing 1997 study published in the British medical journal, the Lancet, revealed how deeply pediatric euthanasia has already metastasized into Dutch neo natal medical practice: According to the report, doctors were killing approximately 8 percent of all infants who died each year in the Netherlands. That amounts to approximately 80-90 per year. Of these, one-third would have lived more than a month. At least 10-15 of these killings involved infants who did not require life-sustaining treatment to stay alive. The study found that a shocking 45 percent of neo-natologists and 31 percent of pediatricians who responded to questionnaires had killed infants.

It took the Dutch almost 30 years for their medical practices to fall to the point that Dutch doctors are able to engage in the kind of euthanasia activities that got some German doctors hanged after Nuremberg. For those who object to this assertion by claiming that German doctors killed disabled babies during World War II without consent of parents, so too do many Dutch doctors: Approximately 21 percent of the infant euthanasia deaths occurred without request or consent of parents. Moreover, since when did parents attain the moral right to have their children killed?





Euthanasia consciousness is catching. The Netherlands' neighbor Belgium decided to jump off the same cliff as the Dutch only two years ago. But already, they have caught up with the Dutch in their freefall into the moral abyss. The very first Belgian euthanasia of a person with multiple sclerosis violated the law; and just as occurs routinely in the Netherlands, the doctor involved faced no consequences. Now Belgium is set to legalize neo-pediatric euthanasia. Two Belgian legislators justify their plan to permit children to ask for their own mercy killing on the basis that young people "have as much right to choose" euthanasia as anyone else. Yet, these same children who are supposedly mature enough to decide to die would be ineligible to obtain a driver's license.





Why does accepting euthanasia as a remedy for suffering in very limited circumstances inevitably lead to never-ending expansion of the killing license? Blame the radically altered mindset that results when killing is redefined from a moral wrong into a beneficent and legal act. If killing is right for, say the adult cancer patient, why shouldn't it be just as right for the disabled quadriplegic, the suicidal mother whose children have been killed in an accident, or the infant born with profound mental retardation? At that point, laws and regulations erected to protect the vulnerable against abuse come to be seen as obstructions that must be surmounted. From there, it is only a hop, skip, and a jump to deciding that killing is the preferable option.





Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, an attorney for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, and a special consultant to the Center for Bioethics and Culture. His next book, Consumer's Guide to a Brave New World will be released in October.

from the world standard.

read it and be sick..it this is true and this isnt the only source on this out there,

several of the pro-life groups i hear from mention this.

 

[reba]

Who says USA health care isn't good?

Folks who want something different. Just for the sake of change?

What are the standards the health care systems are compaired to?

My brother is a doctor. He has been seen stitching up a cowboy at the store counter. Does house calls. Holding the hand of a dieing lonly old man.

Where would the worlds health care be if not for the big drug companies?

 

[Theofilus]

There's a difference between health care and a health care system. Because of it's small size (pop. ca. 300,000), Iceland can't always afford all the specialized equipment and trained professionals needed for all procedures. If I need some procedure or treatment that is not available here, our socialized health care system would pay most or all the cost of sending me to some place where it is available, such as the US, while someone who lives there wouldn't be able to get the same treatment, because they couldn't afford it and didn't have insurance. So, while the health care in the US is often better than ours, in fact, some of the best in the world, our health care system is better, since it guarantees everyone equal access to health care.

 

[jasoncran]

There's a difference between health care and a health care system. Because of it's small size (pop. ca. 300,000), Iceland can't always afford all the specialized equipment and trained professionals needed for all procedures. If I need some procedure or treatment that is not available here, our socialized health care system would pay most or all the cost of sending me to some place where it is available, such as the US, while someone who lives there wouldn't be able to get the same treatment, because they couldn't afford it and didn't have insurance. So, while the health care in the US is often better than ours, in fact, some of the best in the world, our health care system is better, since it guarantees everyone equal access to health care.

that is the thing these guys that pro socialised medicine dont tell you when they state these facts.

if it was in context then we could work together better to fix the issue

but what they arent telling you on these surveys is the u.s. has free or pay as you go clinics for the poor

my hometown has 6 of them within a ten mile radius.

one of them is a doctor who has no malpractice insurance.