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Walk in the Light?

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Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "shall not" in Jn 8:12 is a double negative in the Greek, meaning is written to say that it is impossible, it cannot be.

I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.:chin
 
Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "shall not" in Jn 8:12 is a double negative in the Greek, meaning is written to say that it is impossible, it cannot be.

I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.:chin


Not only to walk in the truth, but also the truth leads us to the light:
John 3:21 Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

And also this:
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

And also, look at the connection that the lamp, and the light has to do with the wise/unwise virgins. Notice that you cannot have light without the oil:

Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

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(I started a thread, a couple of weeks ago, on the wise virgins (the light) and us burning morning and night in the our temple (tabernacle)...called Matthew 25 and 2 Chronicles--I connected the two together, if you are interested to read later
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51534 )
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I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.

You changes the syntax and gave a meaning to the idea that misleads.

The proper understanding of what you have initially stated is just, "I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth."


Consider that Jesus elsewhere tells us that he is the Truth, and the way for us t go, and the real life available in the reality we can experience in the light of Truth.

Joh_3:21 But he that doethtruth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they arewrought in God.

Jesus says that we must do the Truth, that is face the facts of life and abide by them, opposing the lies that construct the fantasy man made social worlds.
 
Yeah but we should stand out in the world of sin.


The Truth always "stands out."

People will react to the truth with immediate hatred which is how we know we are in the kingdom of Truth.
Truth is propaganda against existing systems and power structures built upon lies, but the powerful people who are recipients of the benefits of the establishment will attack the Truth.

We saw this when Rev Martin Luther King stood up against "Separate but equal."
We saw the attacks on Bill Cosby who complained that the crime and lawlessness in the Black inner cities of America where due not to Whites hurting them, but Single Mothers raising fatherless kids dependent upon Welfare and Food Stamps instead of a male bread winner husband.

We see the Boston Muslim Bombers hated by the sexually promiscuous American public that ignores how panic turned their mother back to Sharia as the girls chased after her good looking and smart sons.
She saw the Whores of Babylon ready to seduce he sons onto the sexually promiscuous world that Christians have allowed t=America to become.
She saw the lauding of Homosexual male masturbating and the almost naked dress codes and the harlots divorcing and marrying at will, etc.,... and the truth is, she went crazy.

We see the Truth today, that 2/3rds of all Abortions are by girls who check off Christian as their religion.
Yet the churches give mere lip service to this fact, ignore that Abortion would be cut by 800,000 each tear if only THEIR daughters would stop being sexually promiscuous during the 14 YEARS before marriage takes place @ age 26.

Christians themselves ignore the Truth, that the Muslims are the enemy of their own enemies, the atheists and the pagans and the sexually promiscuous girls who have changed America.
 
Yeah but we should stand out in the world of sin.
I agree Clark, with this truth in mind?


Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Remember that when the Lord made this statement he had just freed the woman caught in adultry, when others wanted to stone her.

Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
(KJV)
 
Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "shall not" in Jn 8:12 is a double negative in the Greek, meaning is written to say that it is impossible, it cannot be.

I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.:chin


Not only to walk in the truth, but also the truth leads us to the light:
John 3:21 Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

And also this:
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

And also, look at the connection that the lamp, and the light has to do with the wise/unwise virgins. Notice that you cannot have light without the oil:

Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

~~~~~~~

(I started a thread, a couple of weeks ago, on the wise virgins (the light) and us burning morning and night in the our temple (tabernacle)...called Matthew 25 and 2 Chronicles--I connected the two together, if you are interested to read later
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51534 )
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Thank you, I will check it out.
 
Not only to walk in the truth, but also the truth leads us to the light:
John 3:21 Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


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Thank you, I will check it out.

Consider the logic that before Abraham, Truth existed.

The salvation of those prophets and faithful, before 32AD, makes reasonable sense in that they believed upon His name, which is Truth, though we use "Christ" euphemistically since 32AD, when the Truth was manifest before men.







1 The LORD, (Truth), is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He, (Truth), maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he, (Truth), leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He, (Truth), restoreth my soul: he, (Truth), leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake, (Truth).

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, (Reality), I will fear no evil: for thou, (Truth), art with me; thy rod (The NewTestament) and thy staff (The OldTestament), they comfort me: [John 15:26].

5 Thou, (Reality), preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil, (holy oil of Truth); my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercyshall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD, (this ideal of Truth), for ever.
 
Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "shall not" in Jn 8:12 is a double negative in the Greek, meaning is written to say that it is impossible, it cannot be.

I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.:chin
To sacrifice one's self for others rather than sacrifice others for your self is walking in the True Character of God Who is the Eternal Spirit of Love. God is Light.
 
I agree with many of your thoughts on "truth" cupid dave, but man in his natural condition cannot know the truth of God. The flesh of man is under the power of sin. All truth is through the SPIRIT OF GOD. Those who wrote the psalms, wrote under the power of Gods Spirit, those who understand will understand by Gods spirit that the psalms was all about Christ Jesus.
Lu 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 ¶ Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

The light and the truth of Christ is hidden from the natural man. Many men believe they know truth, but they judge by mans wisdom and have not seen the true light.

Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend
with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
 
Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "shall not" in Jn 8:12 is a double negative in the Greek, meaning is written to say that it is impossible, it cannot be.

I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.:chin
To sacrifice one's self for others rather than sacrifice others for your self is walking in the True Character of God Who is the Eternal Spirit of Love. God is Light.
No doubt that is a great truth, but that is not what it means to "walk in the light" I will explain futher in the next few days, blessings to you childeye.
 
Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "shall not" in Jn 8:12 is a double negative in the Greek, meaning is written to say that it is impossible, it cannot be.

I thought I would like to start a thread to discuss what it really means to walk in the LIGHT? I believe in general that it means to walk in the truth of who we are in Christ.:chin
To sacrifice one's self for others rather than sacrifice others for your self is walking in the True Character of God Who is the Eternal Spirit of Love. God is Light.
No doubt that is a great truth, but that is not what it means to "walk in the light" I will explain futher in the next few days, blessings to you childeye.
Then I will look forward to what you have to offer.
 
To sacrifice one's self for others rather than sacrifice others for your self is walking in the True Character of God Who is the Eternal Spirit of Love. God is Light.


It isn't just sacrificing oneself for another, tho.

Jesus commanded that we love one another, and no greater love hath any man than to lay down his life for another.
That is certainly true.

But when we stand up and defend and support the Truth, risking the violence that might and often does follow, we sacrifice our life for the collective good.
Rev Martin Luther King comes to mind as an example.
 
Ro 16:25 ¶ Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:


Ga 2:11 ¶ But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

To walk "in the light" is to walk in the truth of the gospel by faith.:thumbsup

We see that Peter did not "walk uprightly" when he walked in the old covenant of law, for according to the law, a jew was not to eat with a Gentile.

2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Those who are under the law are not walking in the light of the gospel.
 
Those who are under the law are not walking in the light of the gospel.

Really?

Why would any believer have an issue with the Law being and remaining factually against sin and evil?

I certainly don't. I too am against murder and theft and adultery and any sin as such. Aren't you?

The difficulty is when we see that we all are factually engaged within with thoughts of such things. Sin thoughts.

Legalists don't see their evil thoughts as a fact, or if they do they excuse them and claim they are legal on the outside of the cup.

And Grace proponents try to usher that same working into the door of Grace, which is equally unlikely.

So, in the interests of walking in the LIGHT, perhaps it is a good thing to understand we have darkness for which said LIGHT is needed?

Now, turn to a fact of what The Lord does for us:

2 Samuel 22:29
For thou art my lamp, O Lord: and the Lord will lighten my darkness.

That
is what happens when the LIGHT OF THE LAW is turned on. We see our factual darkness within.

I personally don't have an issue with that LIGHT. It is beneficial. Even if the conclusions of His Light is against that working in me.

Could walk through the Word and pick up many similar statements, such as:

Psalm 18:28
For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness.

We
don't escape factual conclusions by being delusional about our 'internal state' of having to deal with internal darkness. It's just an every day fact within and without. Darkness itself is an internal origination for everyone. We don't turn from it by denial, but confrontation of same with HIS LIGHT.

There is an internal path of confrontations involved here, and they are very very real in the life of a believer:

Isaiah 42:16
And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.

These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Whether our awareness levels are turned on or not really doesn't matter. God is actively against with HIS LIGHT against our darkness at all times, whether we perceive it or not.

It's certainly not a bad thing. His Light. Even if it is confrontational to our own internal darkness.

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the sexually promiscuous girls who have changed America.


And the equally and sometimes more so, promiscuous young men/boys. :)

We see the Truth today, that 2/3rds of all Abortions are by girls who check off Christian as their religion.
Yet the churches give mere lip service to this fact, ignore that Abortion would be cut by 800,000 each tear if only THEIR daughters would stop being sexually promiscuous during the 14 YEARS before marriage takes place @ age 26.


You really don't believe that because the checked Christian rather than Muslim or whatever that they are all really Christian with Christian parents, do you? Sheesh....

"THEIR daughters would stop being sexually promiscuous during the 14 YEARS before marriage takes place @ age 26" AND SONS....
When my two oldest (just 17 months apart in age) got the no sex talk, they got it together and my son was told to respect the girls he dated and that if he were to get a girl pregnant, he would be responsible for taking care of her and the child, and marrying her if that is what she wanted. There's goes college son......

Speaking about Cosby blaming black men......
 
Walking in light would seem to be tied very closely with living a life and making decisions based on knowledge of reality and based on a respect and appreciation for what is true. For one to walk in the light, it would seem necessary for one to have 1st 'studied oneself approved'. A 'walk' based on heresay, feelings, or emotions may from time to time find the lighted path, but ultimately is in and of itself a blind trek. An enlighten walk is the result of someone having found solid answers to some very tough questions and using the facts that have been uncovered to help direct the path.
 
Walking in light would seem to be tied very closely with living a life and making decisions based on knowledge of reality and based on a respect and appreciation for what is true. For one to walk in the light, it would seem necessary for one to have 1st 'studied oneself approved'. A 'walk' based on heresay, feelings, or emotions may from time to time find the lighted path, but ultimately is in and of itself a blind trek. An enlighten walk is the result of someone having found solid answers to some very tough questions and using the facts that have been uncovered to help direct the path.


Yes, that is a truth.

Of course, Jesus said the spirit of Truth is in people already, like Conscience.
It is there, a quiet little voice which other parts of our psyche silence or tune out, because we are selfishly interested in avoiding the Truth when it opposes our desires, urges, impulses, etc.
That the kingdom of this God is within suggests that rationalize everything as is so evident on these threads where debates and arguments so often illustrate the deafness/blindness of people, each person defending a Faith which they have favored among the other teachings from science or another church.

America did this turning away when Rev Martin Luther King spoke and even the white churches pretended not understand or see that Separate but Equal was a lie.

Today, the churches are blind to the sexual decay and promiscuity in the West.
While they support the talk of demagoguery by their chosen Conservative on the moment, they ignore that it is Christian girls, 2-to-1, who are aborting babies and being sexually promiscuous during the 14 years before they finally marry around age 26.

They will excuse and rationalize this fact, ignore the Truth, and pretend that it is abortion which is evil, not extended adolescence of 14 years before matrimony, and No Fault Divorce.
The reason for abortions is that young people who have no safe Institution like Marriage available for them, will use their God-given hormonal urges to procreate without those Social Institutions.

The reason their is social institution that guides and directs sexual behavior for young people is that the parents want them to become economically successful regardless of whether they get pregnant or not.
Money and status is what these people worship.
 
Really?

Why would any believer have an issue with the Law being and remaining factually against sin and evil?

I certainly don't. I too am against murder and theft and adultery and any sin as such. Aren't you?

The difficulty is when we see that we all are factually engaged within with thoughts of such things. Sin thoughts.

Legalists don't see their evil thoughts as a fact, or if they do they excuse them and claim they are legal on the outside of the cup.

And Grace proponents try to usher that same working into the door of Grace, which is equally unlikely.

So, in the interests of walking in the LIGHT, perhaps it is a good thing to understand we have darkness for which said LIGHT is needed?

Now, turn to a fact of what The Lord does for us:

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead

Like I said those who are under law are in darkness.
 
...AND SONS....


No.
That is just deflecting the responsibility and trying to focus on Blame, instead of aiming to correct the problem.

Sex is and has always has been the carrot used to direct the males into good social behavior by setting up Institutions that are in place and understood to be the right way to accommodate the sex drive of the men.

What has happened in America, since 1960, is that Feminism has gotten rid of the baby Dolls and placed Barbie in the hands of little girls.
Sexual favors have become a tool for advancement and favors which act like a bottomless gold mine supplying a second currency that is subtly at work reducing the men to mere boys chasing girls instead of economic success, education, and status which before was the ticket to their personal sexual satisfaction.

We do not want to impede the male quest for Fair Lady so much as we want to channel that quest in socially beneficial directions.
 
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