Walk in the Light?

[George Muller]

I have been reading many of your post, smaller. You seem to accept some portions of scripture that take "unreasonable faith'' but you would limit that to what you can accept as reasonable?

You'll have to give an example or two George. I will admit that as a general rule speaking of spiritual matters between believers is difficult because of the topic matter. We all have certain constructs in our heads wherein the information bounces around and then a final statement comes out of peoples heads that sometimes doesn't always make immediate sense.

So examples in such statements would seem to be in order. Spiritual logic is the most difficult of matters. And rightfully so as it deals largely with intangible constructs (the internal basis of good and evil.) It makes conversations exceptionally difficult.

You are free to "applied reason" but that should not limit others in the faith in the clear and evident reading of the scriptures.

What may be clear and relevant to one person may have no relevance whatsoever to another. That much is certain.

Some think Truth is a hardline matter. I happen to think Truth is beyond our definitions and captures. And I have 'reasoned' positions for that understanding.

C?

Now does this make sense? Not to the natural mind! Thats why its by faith

I've witnessed to scores of natural minds and have no issues with conveying Love as a Divine Matter of God in Christ and most 'natural minds' can relate to that/His Spirit, given half a chance to communicate.

On the other hand trying to beat them into a 'hardline hole' of some sects constructs gets problematic and rightfully rejected many times.

s

Well I will not go about to search out the scriptures you "believe" and accept by "faith". But I know I could

As for the scriptures I posted, they are clear and evident and must be accepted by faith, apart from natural mans understanding of what is "reasonable".

Ro 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

So I guess we can agree to disagree?

 

[smaller]

So I guess we can agree to disagree?

Well, maybe so if I could actually see where that was the case. Perhaps a conflict in your head, unstated as of yet?

You know you disagree with me, but can't really say what it is or why?

I do enjoy the entertainment, so thank you for that.

s

 

[George Muller]

I think the issue arose over that which I quoted you in post #37?

 

[smaller]

I think the issue arose over that which I quoted you in post #37?

Didn't see it as an issue G. Just made a couple correlating observations not meant for disagreement.

I doubt there is any particular observation I've made you disagree with.

s

 

[George Muller]

I think the issue arose over that which I quoted you in post #37?

Didn't see it as an issue G. Just made a couple correlating observations not meant for disagreement.

I doubt there is any particular observation I've made you disagree with.

s

Other than our few words about the limits of "reasonable" faith, I have found I have agreed with very much of that which you have written on other threads. You speak in bold terms on certain issues, does that not get you in trouble?

 

[smaller]

I think the issue arose over that which I quoted you in post #37?

Didn't see it as an issue G. Just made a couple correlating observations not meant for disagreement.

I doubt there is any particular observation I've made you disagree with.

s

Other than our few words about the limits of "reasonable" faith, I have found I have agreed with very much of that which you have written on other threads. You speak in bold terms on certain issues, does that not get you in trouble?

Ah, yes. It is sometimes a fight to love other believers, to believe they are in fact saved and finally, to find a legitimate place to lay judgment between ourselves that is not 'us.'

For some strange reason this seems to irritate some...;)

I think it's quite entirely wonderful.

Perspective is everything.

s

 

[George Muller]

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11 ¶ And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Light, is understood when one understands that love and love alone fulfills that which Gods desires and commands from us.

1Jo 1:5 ¶ This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1Jo 2:7 ¶ Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

1Jo 3:23 ¶ And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us

1Jo 4:7 ¶ Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

I wonder if condemning others by the law of sin and death is walking in light?

Ro 2:1 ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Ro 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No, those who are not fulfilling the law by love and the Spirit, are in darkness.

 

[Elijah674]

It seems that Paul would be included then?? Or did that LOVE mean just for these few?
Gal. 1:6-9 are pretty strong words...

[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (pervert?)
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Just wondering, how Christ would render that as LOVE? (as your buddy said, we are to love ALL!)

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

It seems that Paul would be included then?? Or did that LOVE mean just for these few?
Gal. 1:6-9 are pretty strong words...

[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (pervert?)
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Just wondering, how Christ would render that as LOVE? (as your buddy said, we are to love ALL!)

--Elijah

No doubt, just as the Lord took a rod to those in the temple, just as God corrects those he loves, Paul was warning and correcting those who had turned from the true gospel back into the law of Moses.
Love does not condemn others by the law, but love fulfills the law.

 

[George Muller]

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

Truth and light are not in "temporal" facts, they are in Christ who is "eternal"
Can any of us say we seen ourselves being saved, by faith? No we accepted that the truth of Christ is eternal and we are saved not by what we see but what we believe is true in Him.

Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

 

[George Muller]

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

Truth and light are not in "temporal" facts, they are in Christ who is "eternal"
Can any of us say we seen ourselves being saved, by faith? No we accepted that the truth of Christ is eternal and we are saved not by what we see but what we believe is true in Him.

Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. Paul says something interesting in 2 Cor?
2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

In effect the Lord came to us in the body of flesh and blood, but that was not the fullness of who He is? He came into our "temporal" realm, to do an "eternal" work. Now faith is not in temporal things, faith is the soul and spirit taking hold of "eternal" truth.

Heb 11:1 ¶ Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. {substance: or, ground, or, confidence}
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The gospel is not just about Jesus as a man, but Jesus was "THE MAN" who upon the Cross open the doors unto those who would believe, unto the "eternal life" a place beyond death and deaths power. It is through the spirit that we enter into these things, but the flesh must be crucified with Him.

 

[George Muller]

So walk in the light, as He is in the light?

Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

The "carnal" mind is nothing more than the "natural" mind, subject to the flesh.


13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

To walk in the "light" is to be led by the Spirit. To believe and walk in eternal truth, not temporal facts.

Col 3:1 ¶ If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Remember the High Priest of the law, wore a golden band upon his head that read "HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD" Sin came unto man through knowledge and his thoughts. Holiness begins in our mind, for when we set our mind and thoughts upon eternal things, true in Christ we are "spiritually minded" and this brings life and peace. But those who cannot believe that but which their flesh tells them, are carnally minded. They cannot understand the "new creation" and they set thier mind on temporal things. These are those Paul spoke of "I COULD NOT SPEAK TO YOU AS SPIRITUAL BUT AS TO CARNAL, AS TO BABES IN CHRIST"

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord

These are those who have died with Christ to the law, and live according to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

 

[Elijah674]

So walk in the light, as He is in the light?

Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

The "carnal" mind is nothing more than the "natural" mind, subject to the flesh.


13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

To walk in the "light" is to be led by the Spirit. To believe and walk in eternal truth, not temporal facts.

Col 3:1 ¶ If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Remember the High Priest of the law, wore a golden band upon his head that read "HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD" Sin came unto man through knowledge and his thoughts. Holiness begins in our mind, for when we set our mind and thoughts upon eternal things, true in Christ we are "spiritually minded" and this brings life and peace. But those who cannot believe that but which their flesh tells them, are carnally minded. They cannot understand the "new creation" and they set thier mind on temporal things. These are those Paul spoke of "I COULD NOT SPEAK TO YOU AS SPIRITUAL BUT AS TO CARNAL, AS TO BABES IN CHRIST"

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord

These are those who have died with Christ to the law, and live according to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Except to His 7th Day Sabbath huh? A weird critter indeed! Eccl. 12:13-14

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

So walk in the light, as He is in the light?

Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Ro 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

The "carnal" mind is nothing more than the "natural" mind, subject to the flesh.


13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

To walk in the "light" is to be led by the Spirit. To believe and walk in eternal truth, not temporal facts.

Col 3:1 ¶ If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Remember the High Priest of the law, wore a golden band upon his head that read "HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD" Sin came unto man through knowledge and his thoughts. Holiness begins in our mind, for when we set our mind and thoughts upon eternal things, true in Christ we are "spiritually minded" and this brings life and peace. But those who cannot believe that but which their flesh tells them, are carnally minded. They cannot understand the "new creation" and they set thier mind on temporal things. These are those Paul spoke of "I COULD NOT SPEAK TO YOU AS SPIRITUAL BUT AS TO CARNAL, AS TO BABES IN CHRIST"

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord

These are those who have died with Christ to the law, and live according to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Except to His 7th Day Sabbath huh? A weird critter indeed! Eccl. 12:13-14

--Elijah

Some look to temporal things, those who are spiritual look to eternal things.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (eternal)
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. (TEMPORAL AND CARNAL)

 

[eddif]

Walk in the light as he is in the light.

Consider that the moon generally has nothing between it and the sun. Any light given off by moon came from the sun.

Now​

Consider now that Jesus said nothing save what the father gave Him to say.

When we walk in the light as he is in the light now has a deeper meaning.

This is a concept in progress. The creation helps us understand God.

In the New Jerusalem the father and the son are the light.

If folks do not panic I may post more.

eddif

 

[George Muller]

Walk in the light as he is in the light.

Consider that the moon generally has nothing between it and the sun. Any light given off by moon came from the sun.

Now​

Consider now that Jesus said nothing save what the father gave Him to say.

When we walk in the light as he is in the light now has a deeper meaning.

This is a concept in progress. The creation helps us understand God.

In the New Jerusalem the father and the son are the light.

If folks do not panic I may post more.

eddif

No panic here, feel free to share your "light" with us.

 

[John 8:32]

Some look to temporal things, those who are spiritual look to eternal things.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (eternal)
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

What rest is that speaking of in verse 5? It is referring back to verse 4. The seventh day, the shadow, the picture of the Millenium.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

I notice that the Law done away types never accentuate verse 9. IN the other verses surrounding it, the word rest comes from the word katapausis or katapauo and they respectively mean rest...

G2663
κατάπαυσις
katapausis
Thayer Definition:
1) a putting to rest
1a) calming of the winds
2) a resting place
2a) metaphorically the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and of which he has promised to make persevering believers in Christ partakers after the toils and trials of life on earth are ended
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2664
Citing in TDNT: 3:628, 419

G2664
καταπαύω
katapauō
Thayer Definition:
1) to make quiet, to cause to be at rest, to grant rest
1a) to lead to a quiet abode
1b) to still, restrain, to cause (one striving to do something) to desist
2) to rest, take rest
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2596 and G3973
Citing in TDNT: 3:627, 419


But the word used in verse 9, the verse that says there is remaining for the people of God a...

G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
Thayer Definition:
1) a keeping sabbath
2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G4521
Citing in TDNT: 7:34, 989

The Diaglott has it...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. (TEMPORAL AND CARNAL)

It is always nice to get the context instead of lifting a verse out of context and meaning...

Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Elements of the Law of God? Not what it says, it says rudiments of the world.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

Now, did Moses know God?

Exo 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

So is this saying that the Law that God gave to Moses was a rudiment of the world? No, these folks were gentiles to begin with, they did not know God, but they served the rudiments of the world.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Paul is admonishing them for turning back to their ways prior to knowing God.

So now, with verse 8 in mind, are you saying that they were turning back to the Law of Moses and that was turning back to doing service to them which by nature are no gods? So, the One who created heavens and earth, Who gave His Law on Mt. Sinai, Who became Jesus Christ is no god?

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Me thinks you have misapplied this scripture.

 

[George Muller]

Me thinks you have misapplied this scripture.

Me thinks, you are free to think what you like. I stand by what I have posted and see no challenge in anyway in your post.

Some look to temporal things, those who are spiritual look to eternal things.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (eternal)
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. (TEMPORAL AND CARNAL)

 

[George Muller]

Mr 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Joh 8:12 ¶ Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 15:1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am , they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


"And we beheld His glory":angel3