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I see many people who proclaim they are Christians and yet at work I see the guys talking about what club they are going to after work, how many numbers they can get and how they are gonna get their "groove" on. But yet they proclaim they are Christians. At Church I see people stand and raise their hands to the Lord with praise and worship, yet later I see them buying a case of beer at 7/11 after Church. What is walking the walk for Christ? Is it more then just proclaiming your a Christian? Do people actually watch us and see how we handle ourself in public? Are we to be on guard day and night? What does the Bible say about this topic? I'm curious to see where this topic will lead. I will hold off my answers / views / opinions for the time being. I thought this would be a good topic for us to have fellowship on..

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In no way are my statements are to taken as being critical, but just my observations on todays Christians.

Being a Christian is hard in today's world. I have often wondered why we don't have prayer in schools, abortions on demand, homo-sexuality on the rise, gang violence, crime, the name of Jesus offends people, only 25% of Christians go to church,, pornagraphy, drunkeness, immorality, and many other lusts of the flesh. We can expect this in an unbelieving world, but the fact that Christians do the same things is alarming.

What has happened? I believe we have lost credibility in the world. The world doesn't fear or awe us anymore. Christians have become too religiuous today, and way to Legalistic. Christians need to want to do things for God, rather than have to. I believe our attitudes have to change. Only 25 per-cent go to church. Why? They make excuses, don't want to tithe, too busy, can't stand church correction, and get offended to the point that they are into imaginations, which the Bible talks about. It has been said that 50 per-cent of Christians get divorced, and 11 million live together outside of Marriage. A Christian family should be a place of harmony, of all working together to serve God. Yes, there are reasons for divorce. Sometimes it has to be done. I may get slammed for this, but even if divorce is one's own fault, many churches say that if they remarry, they committ adultry. The Bible just doesn't teach that. The Chuch has one law about divorce and remarriage, and that is the Law of Love alluded to in 1 Cor. 7. Repent, ask for forgiveness, and get over it. We shouldn't beat ourselves so much.

What is the solution? Pray everyday for guidance, study the Bible everyday, so that your minds our renewed. have fellowship with other Christians, and be politically involved. Do we need good Christians lawyers? You bet. I believe that born again Christians should be in one accord. We don't need denominational discord, but agreement for the sake of the Gospel.

Therefore, get out there and preach and teach the Gospel with a good attitude that says I might be knocked down, but am not knocked out. The Lord, King of kings is coming soon. We should be prepared to meet our bridegroom.

Well, I guess that is enough babbling. Just my thoughts.


May God bless, golfjack[/u]
 
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golfjack said:
What has happened? I believe we have lost credibility in the world.

Right-wing Christians are too busy supporting the mass murder of Iraqis and Afghanis to have time to fight for good things, like freedom from state-sanctioned homosexual marriage. So, they don't mind George Bush and Dick Cheney both expressing support for states sanctioning homosexual marriage, even by judge dictates against the will of the people.

I believe our attitudes have to change.

Yes, you have to stop putting the interests of anti-christian Israel above the interests of Christ and America.

Only 25 per-cent go to church. Why?

Because right-wing churches are nuts and left-wing churches are irrelevant.

I may get slammed for this, but even if divorce is one's own fault, many churches say that if they remarry, they committ adultry. The Bible just doesn't teach that. The Chuch has one law about divorce and remarriage, and that is the Law of Love alluded to in 1 Cor. 7. Repent, ask for forgiveness, and get over it. We shouldn't beat ourselves so much.

What? The Bible does teach that those who remarry after divorce commit adultery. The trouble is, churchess across the political spectrum don't believe this. No church should allow a known adulterer as a member.

Therefore, get out there and preach and teach the Gospel

Ask first if the person you're intending to preach to is a Jew. You wouldn't want to be an anti-simite by accidentally sharing the gospel with a Jew.

Just my thoughts.

Ditto.
 
Atonement said:
. But yet they proclaim they are Christians...
Proclaim, yes. Not all of them are.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
without sharing by views or opinion on "Proclaimed Christians" yet, I would like to add to the following.

Golf, you are correct Jesus said that in the End Times many troubles will be on the heart, men would be lover of themselves rather then lovers of God, giving into the flesh instead of walking in the spirit. So in a sence we did lose the world.

Gabby, those that proclaim Christ as Lord is from the Spirit of God and not flesh. But still live in the flesh. I think Golf hit the nail on the head when he said that


Being a Christian is hard in today's world. I have often wondered why we don't have prayer in schools, abortions on demand, homo-sexuality on the rise, gang violence, crime, the name of Jesus offends people, only 25% of Christians go to church,, pornagraphy, drunkeness, immorality, and many other lusts of the flesh. We can expect this in an unbelieving world, but the fact that Christians do the same things is alarming.

God Bless
 
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One comment: What proceeds out of the heart will be a manifestation of what the flresh does. Cast it down. The devil has his way too much. Cast him down too. Don't wait for him, rather look for him under the rocks, and use our authority we have in the name of Jesus, and he has to flee.


The solution. Folks, study your Bibles. Let the Word drop into your heart, and you will be much better off.



May God bless, golfjack
 
Golfjack
Great post.
If I may add the scripture

1 tim 4:1-3
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

It appears That poke has met this criteria.
 
jgredline,

That was a powerful Scripture, I have not used that one in awhile, thank you for sharing it with us. But, should someone who proclaims to be a Christian live his/her life as a the world does? I know that since we are the light of the world, the world looks at us because it's in darkness. How many times did you hear someone say I don't like going to Church because to many Hypocrites are there? Or I don't wanna become a Christian because there is so much strife among the Christians? These type of of responses are because of what people see. So when I see someone buying a case of beer at the local 7/11 as I'm gasing up my truck, right after Church what am I to think about their loyalty to Christ?
 
Atonement said:
jgredline,

That was a powerful Scripture, I have not used that one in awhile, thank you for sharing it with us. But, should someone who proclaims to be a Christian live his/her life as a the world does? I know that since we are the light of the world, the world looks at us because it's in darkness. How many times did you hear someone say I don't like going to Church because to many Hypocrites are there? Or I don't wanna become a Christian because there is so much strife among the Christians? These type of of responses are because of what people see. So when I see someone buying a case of beer at the local 7/11 as I'm gasing up my truck, right after Church what am I to think about their loyalty to Christ?

As for me this is how I feel about it.
I have in my office a plack that reads '' My LORD is my Shepard'
I have a fish on the side of my Truck
I have a stickers proclaiming my adoration for my Jesus on all my computers. You walk into my house and you see many Christian things there. I also Teach (right now I am taking a break) the Bible to an adult bible study group at church which consist of about 40 adults 50-60 year olds. Our Church has 13 bible study classes. Our Church also has a Bible institute that is eligible for college credit (We use Masters Seminary and Fuller Seminary materials) In other words I need to be above reproach. I have lots of people looking at me. The people that are most important in what they think of me are my Children. This was not always the case. I used to be one of those people about 15 years ago who was living in sin. Nothing really bad, but sin is sin. It was when I truly committed my Life to Jesus Christ that I was able to resist the many temptations that the world has to offer. When I see brothers in Christ living in sin, I mention it to them and simply tell them what the scriptures say.

2 Timothy 4:2
4:2
Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction

Now when it comes to people claiming to be Christians yet show no fruit and most don't even attend a Church, yet try to preach and teach and are very liberal or even moderately liberal and find ways to justify their sin, Well thats something I can't put up with. I have seen first hand what these destructive doctrines do to people as I have for many years counseled them and once this bad teaching has gone into them, it makes things more difficult. Now I praise God that the Holy Spirit is the one who saves and I am a mear tool, but I am human and like my wife says, I need to practice finess. She has been telling me this for years, as I am who I am. One thing about me, is that who I am here is who I am. When I am Wrong I am the first to apologize (just check some of my post) I am also as loyal as a dog. I love taking care and helping people. That is who I am. The biggest problem I see is that people don't let the word of God Change their lives. Most people who think they are Christians are really not. We all know people like this.

Hal Lindsey made a comment a while back that has really stuck with me.
He said that only 5% of Muslims read and take their Koran to heart. They are the fundlementalist fascist extremest that are the terrorist

He also said that only 5% of Christians read and study their bibles and take it to heart and they are the fundlementalist that are taking the Good news of Christ to all the world.

There in lies the problem.
 
Wow that was powerful. I like Hal Lindsey. I'm glad to hear that you offer so much to your Church through Christ. God Bless you and good luck in that. So proclaiming Christians should show fruit? I agree 100% that fruit shows our love for the Lord, Him working in us. But can a person be Chrsitian -backsliden- and still show fruit?
 
Atonement said:
Wow that was powerful. I like Hal Lindsey. I'm glad to hear that you offer so much to your Church through Christ. God Bless you and good luck in that. So proclaiming Christians should show fruit? I agree 100% that fruit shows our love for the Lord, Him working in us. But can a person be Chrsitian -backsliden- and still show fruit?

That is a tough question to answer. My thought is no. With out the Holy Spirit none of us can Show the Fruit of the spirit. A Christian who is backsliden will have quenched what he had recieved when he became a Christian and would need to be refilled with the Holy Spirit to get out of his/her back slidden condition and to start showing the Fruit again.
This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

We also have to take a close look at the 4 soils. Only the 4th is trully saved.
The 3rd is a back slidden Christian and the 1 and 2nd where never Christ to begin with. Does this make sense? I am thinking/writing out loud.
jg
 
Makes perfect since and I agree with all of it. When I was in Bible college I was also taught that fruit could be given to the backslider because though he is backsliden God is not tottaly done with that person to do His work. How do you feel about that?
 
Hi atonement, All quotes are atonement's.

What is walking the walk for Christ?

I Thessalonians 3:12-13
12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.


Abounding love is walking for Christ. This establishes our hearts before God, and it sanctifies us to holiness.


Is it more then just proclaiming your a Christian?

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


I think it is a true, and proper, fear of the God we love. Proclaiming to be a christian is to serve Him above all else, and do all unto Him alone.

Do people actually watch us and see how we handle ourself in public?

1 Thessalonians 4:9-12

9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.


I think that brotherly love between believers is most important to our witness, because this is directly taught to us by the Spirit in us. Secondly, to walk honestly, work hard, study to be quiet...those who are without see thes things, and know that we lack nothing when we are God's children.


Are we to be on guard day and night?

1 Thessalonians 5:4-11

Jesus will come as a thief in the night upon those who do not know Him, but.....

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do
.

We are to watch, and be sober, and we are also to comfort each other, and edify one another to help others watch, and be sober.

What does the Bible say about this topic?

1 John 3:17-18

17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.


and...

James 1:27

27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I wanted to add a brief story of someone I know.

I have a friend that I grew up with, and she married just out of college. The man was nice, but he was not a believer. My friend was not saved at that time either, but about 3 years later she became a christian. Her husband did drink alcohol, and whenever she would visit the grocery store, she would purchase both alcohol, and cigarettes, for him. She decided from the beginning that she would focus on doing her best for God, and serving Him, and her husband, in her ministry as a wife...that included buying his beer, and cigarettes for nearly 7 years after her conversion. Now, nearly 10 years later, her husband has been a believer for 3 years. He is one of the most humble, and godly, leaders in our church. She was being submissive, and winning him without a word by her conduct. The Lord heard her prayers, and blessed them both (their whole family too...4 children as well now) in her obedience. He recently gave a prayer request praising God for his wife, and her witness.

The Lord bless all of you.
 
Thank you Lovely,
The Bible also states that if a brother falls we are to confront them, if they do not repent, we are to take two more with us, if they still refuse to repent. We are to take it to the Church and be unequally yoked with them. Shall we confront these people we see?

BTW that story was a good testimony
 
Atonement said:
Makes perfect since and I agree with all of it. When I was in Bible college I was also taught that fruit could be given to the backslider because though he is backsliden God is not tottaly done with that person to do His work. How do you feel about that?

Wow
Another tough question. My mind has been put to work today.
The moment a person becomes born again, at that point the Holy Spirit indwells the new believer and along with the Holy Spirit, God also gives a primary Spiritual Gift or gifts and since its a gift, God will never take it back, so even in a back slidden condition, this person still has the gifts although they me be dormant. Now can God use this back slidden person to do his wILL. Well Yes, God can do anything including having a Donkey speak.
Thoughts?
 
Hi atonement,

atonement wrote:
The Bible also states that if a brother falls we are to confront them, if they do not repent, we are to take two more with us, if they still refuse to repent. We are to take it to the Church and be unequally yoked with them. Shall we confront these people we see?

Absolutely, this is Scriptural. I think it would be much better for the church if more people would follow this instead of doing, or thinking, an array of ungodly things as a reaction. If I lovingly go to my brother, or sister, and give them the truth, and ask them to repent privately...they know I care deep down. It could also just be an opportunity for a misunderstanding to be cleared up.

I think one must truly be in the Spirit on such matters, and never be prideful...but be truthful, loving, and firm in the Word. This is the hard stuff, and it may cause a breech in the relationship, but hopefully this one will be restored one day, if not immediately. The process of confession, repentance, and restoration has been practiced several times in our church, and corporately it has blessed us, and strengthened us, by God's grace. We have lost others completely, though. Church discipline is not a popular thing. The Lord bless you.
 
Donkey Speak LOL

I agree, it seems that these "backsliden" Christians are out of season and do not stay instant in their walk with Him..

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.


I think it's the longsuffering most have a problem with. Yet they yell it from the roof tops they are Christian, but their walk is that of the world. I guess what has happened here, is that the soil the Word was planted in was was uprooted because it was never grounded. Or they gave in to the pleasure of the flesh. Jesus talks about Luke warm Christians in the Book of Revelation. Jesus stated He would rather have us hot or cold but since they are luke warm He will spew (spit) them out. Not a rosey picture for the luke warm Christian. I'm reminded of the three wise virgins and the three unwise virgins, and they that were not ready when the maker came for them, they were closed out. I wonder if this refers to those type of Christians?
 
lovely said:
Absolutely, this is Scriptural. I think it would be much better for the church if more people would follow this instead of doing, or thinking, an array of ungodly things as a reaction. If I lovingly go to my brother, or sister, and give them the truth, and ask them to repent privately...they know I care deep down. It could also just be an opportunity for a misunderstanding to be cleared up.

And yet I did not approach her at 7/11 and afterwards I was convicted in my spirit because I saw and did nothing, but minded my own business.
ARGH :smt102
 
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Gabbylittleangel has made a good point about Christians that either say they are Christians or think they are. Just recently, I have thought about this awhile, and have come up with a few thoughts. I know we can't judge or determine who is going to heaven, but I believe we can judge idealogies or thelogies of certain denominations. I will not name them, but you might know what I am talking about. I believe there are liberal churches and ones that use to be solid, sprouting up more and more. Let me give you a few examples. A church that believes that water Baptism and salvation is a kind of five step program. One that believes that God should be made female because of I guess liberalism. One that don't believe in the Trinity. One that will allow Homo-sexuality, and even ordain gay ministers. One that Believes everyone goes to heaven, and says there is no literal hell. One that says that we can lose our salvation at the drop of a hat. And finally, one that requires that men wear Tuxedoes, and woman wear dinner dresses when they go to church.

Of course we do have the cult churches and I believe we know who they are. New Age Churches for example.

Why? In America, I believe that we have done a bad job of evangelizing to the lost, and many churches will not do follow up. We kind of have lost our first love. I do not have all the answers, but the biggest problem I see is that we have anti-christ evil spirits very busy in these last days.



May GHod bless, golfjack
 

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