"Wars and rumors of wars" Mt. 24:6

[Alfred Persson]

"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (Matt. 24:6 NKJ)

All prophecy has Israel as the center, the hub of the wheel. That elegant truth has been missed by Bible expositors who believed WWI or WWII or other wars, were a sign it was the "end time".

When Christ said "YOU" will hear of wars, He was speaking to Israelites, not people in NY.

Therefore, I believe the wars and rumors of wars involving Israel now happening, are a "sign" we (unlike other generations) may be in the end time.

I wonder if Christ's words "see that you are not troubled" directly imply Iran and allies will definitely fail? The brilliant success the IDF has had against them so far has been spectacular. It does appear "God is with Israel".

 

[RandyK]

"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (Matt. 24:6 NKJ)

All prophecy has Israel as the center, the hub of the wheel. That elegant truth has been missed by Bible expositors who believed WWI or WWII or other wars, were a sign it was the "end time".

When Christ said "YOU" will hear of wars, He was speaking to Israelites, not people in NY.

Therefore, I believe the wars and rumors of wars involving Israel now happening, are a "sign" we (unlike other generations) may be in the end time.

I wonder if Christ's words "see that you are not troubled" directly imply Iran and allies will definitely fail? The brilliant success the IDF has had against them so far has been spectacular. It does appear "God is with Israel".

I certainly don't mean to offend you, but there are different views on the Olivet Discourse. I've been called a Preterist, but am not, though I take a Preterist-like position.

Like the Early Church Fathers I view the Olivet Discourse as a warning Jesus gave his Disciples about their own generation and about the future of Israel after the Roman invasion in 70 AD. The wars and rumors of wars had to do with the time period Jesus was living in, as certain Israeli factions planned rebellion against Roman rule, and as Rome was heard putting down revolts in various places.

These wars would present Israel with a warning of judgment against their own people for the many sins they were guilty of. And ultimately, Israel was judged via the Roman army in 70 AD and following.

Following the judgment of 70 AD the Jews would be thrown into an age-long Diaspora until the Return of Christ. It may be that we may see a repeat in our own day of the early generation of Christians in Jesus' time. We may see an increase of wars and rumors of wars, foretelling the coming of Armageddon.

This time, however, instead of a divine judgment against Israel we may witness God's judgment against the world, who has been given testimony of Christianity. Christian Civilization is going the way of ancient Israel in their backsliding and apostasy. We should, I think, be made aware of this, whether you agree with my particular position or not?

 

[Alfred Persson]

I certainly don't mean to offend you, but there are different views on the Olivet Discourse. I've been called a Preterist, but am not, though I take a Preterist-like position.

Like the Early Church Fathers I view the Olivet Discourse as a warning Jesus gave his Disciples about their own generation and about the future of Israel after the Roman invasion in 70 AD. The wars and rumors of wars had to do with the time period Jesus was living in, as certain Israeli factions planned rebellion against Roman rule, and as Rome was heard putting down revolts in various places.

These wars would present Israel with a warning of judgment against their own people for the many sins they were guilty of. And ultimately, Israel was judged via the Roman army in 70 AD and following.

Following the judgment of 70 AD the Jews would be thrown into an age-long Diaspora until the Return of Christ. It may be that we may see a repeat in our own day of the early generation of Christians in Jesus' time. We may see an increase of wars and rumors of wars, foretelling the coming of Armageddon.

This time, however, instead of a divine judgment against Israel we may witness God's judgment against the world, who has been given testimony of Christianity. Christian Civilization is going the way of ancient Israel in their backsliding and apostasy. We should, I think, be made aware of this, whether you agree with my particular position or not?

I love discussing scripture, never offended by people disagreeing with me. I agree with you more than you might suppose, but I see Christ's prophecies like two sides of a coin. On one side, much of it was fulfilled in the 1st and 2nd century. The other side is fulfilled in the end time, yet its all one coin.

I can't recall the historian, or if it was Josephus...who described the generation of zealots as demon possessed. The began wearing women's clothing and defiled the Temple of God with abominations, and installed priests against the law of Moses. And they were supposed to be "zealous" for God.

To illustrate dual fulfillment:

14 "So when you see the`abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not " (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
15 "Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house.
16 "And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
17 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
18 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter.
19 "For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. (Mk. 13:14-19 NKJ)

The abomination of desolation in the first century was the desecration of Temple by Zealots, whose armies surrounded Jerusalem. Christ's disciples realized they had to flee Judea before it was too late. When the Roman armies came they laid seige to Jerusalem and no one could leave. Things got so bad parents ate their children to survive.

In the end time the abomination of desolation is the man of sin son of perdition who sits in the Church the Temple of God, ending the daily sacrifice of taking up the cross of Christ. Then the church begins serving the Antichrist. He headquarters in Jersualem, so history is again repeated as his Beast armies circle Jerusalem Christ's disciples know its time to flee.

But it is clear some prophecies can only be fufilled in the End Time, like the second coming of Christ or the resurrection of the Dead.


You might find my "chronicle" of Bible prophecy interesting:

End Time Timeline of Events in the Last Days | End Time News

When the First Seal is opened (Rev. 6:2) the First Half of End-Time "Week" of 7 Years (= 84 months; 2,520 days) begins: A disclaimer: I am a Cessationist, a believer in the sufficiency of Scripture (sola scriptura). Not one word of this is "thus saith the Lord prophecy". I pray its correct so...

endtimenews.net

So we likely agree on some 1st century fulfillments, but I might also see it fulfilled in the end time.

 

[RandyK]

I love discussing scripture, never offended by people disagreeing with me. I agree with you more than you might suppose, but I see Christ's prophecies like two sides of a coin. On one side, much of it was fulfilled in the 1st and 2nd century. The other side is fulfilled in the end time, yet its all one coin.

Yes, clearly there is significant agreement in your view and my view. Thank you for sharing your "chronicle"--obviously you've done your "homework." We may disagree on the details, but on the big picture, that of Christ's coming Kingdom, we agree.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Yes, clearly there is significant agreement in your view and my view. Thank you for sharing your "chronicle"--obviously you've done your "homework." We may disagree on the details, but on the big picture, that of Christ's coming Kingdom, we agree.

I hope I interpreted these things correctly, not for my sake but for believers....that they see Scripture revealed what will unfold "quickly" once it begins, in detail thousands of years ago...and their faith in God and His Word increase.

YLT Revelation 1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John,

ROT Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, to point out unto his servants the things which must needs come to pass with speed,--and he shewed them by signs, sending through his messenger, unto his servant John;

 

[RandyK]

I hope I interpreted these things correctly, not for my sake but for believers....that they see Scripture revealed what will soon unfold "quickly", in detail thousands of years ago...and their faith in God and His Word increase.

We can only do our best in the moment. I try to keep my heart open to God's correction, when it needs to be. The constant drum that I must be gracious helps me to remain safe before Him.

I've been fascinated with the book of Revelation since my adolescence. I understand it better today than ever before, and yet, there are parts of it that remain a mystery. It's okay--there are many other things important to the Lord than just my understanding that book.

It amazes me that over 2500 years ago the Prophet Zechariah wrote of the final days of Israel in this age. He had no idea that Israel would cease to be a nation for nearly 2000 years. So his prophecy, assuming Israel's continued existence, is utterly amazing!

Not only so, but he talks about the world, essentially, standing opposed to little Israel--perhaps the size of New Jersey. Why would the world consider such a small state so important as to rally against it. And yet, here we are!

 

[Rondmon]

"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (Matt. 24:6 NKJ)

All prophecy has Israel as the center, the hub of the wheel. That elegant truth has been missed by Bible expositors who believed WWI or WWII or other wars, were a sign it was the "end time".

When Christ said "YOU" will hear of wars, He was speaking to Israelites, not people in NY.

I'll go further, the people Jesus were talking unto here were only his 12 Disciples, and it was only about the 70 AD wars in verses 4-6. That is why he says the end is not yet. Then in verses 7-8 only he demonstrates WHY verses 4-6 can not be end time events, so he does not want them to come rushing back to Jerusalem, thinking he had come again, WHY? Because the early churches would have no doubt followed the disciples and would have been crushed in their infancy, and Jesus needed the gospel to be spread all around the world. So, what's the biggest clue? vs. 14, Jesus gives his disciples a 100% failproof way to know he will not be coming in the disciples lifetimes, thus he knows they will thus not rush back in 70 AD (vs. 4-6) and lead the churches into a massacre. He simply tells them the gospel must be preached unto the WHOLE WORLD and then the end (vs. 4-6 are not the end....this will be) will come.

Psstt, in verses 9-13 Jesus tells them they are all going to die for his name, save John. He adds in you MUST ENDURE UNTIL THE END, reminding then that they must keep the faith, unlike Judas. So, verses 4-6 are about the 67=70 AD wars, when the temple was going to be destroyed, the disciples original question was when shall these things (temples destruction) be? So, Jesus says false christs will come, that happened in 70 AD, the Pharisees knew Rome was the fourth beast and thus were looking for the Messiah to save them, they put for a few men but they thought the Messiah would be a political leader, not the son of God. Jesus had to demonstrate why the end was much later on, so he gave them verses 7-8, which people today wrongly assoc. with the main passage, overall it has very little to do with the message to the disciples. Jesus' job was to make sure they did not rush back in 67-70 AD to fight Rome. And to tell each man they were going to be killed and had to keep the faith unto death.