Was it rebellion or error?

[4afaithfulone]

What is the truth about why Eve partook of the forbidden tree? Did she want to be like a god, or was it by error?
Any one know?

 

[WIP]

Genesis 3: (NKJV)
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Genesis 3: (NKJV)
And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What is the truth about why Eve partook of the forbidden tree? Did she want to be like a god, or was it by error?
Any one know?

She wanted to be like God.
Who doesn't want to be like God?

 

[Kathi]

She wanted to be like God.
Who doesn't want to be like God?

True.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Genesis 3: (NKJV)
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

Genesis 3: (NKJV)
And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

This is true,
but can you tell me the name of the tree she gave the serpent

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

This is true,
but can you tell me the name of the tree she gave the serpent

That's simple.
The name of the tree is "forbidden".

 

[4afaithfulone]

That's simple.
The name of the tree is "forbidden".

Please show the scripture that says that

 

[4afaithfulone]

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

As we can see, she only said the tree in the MIDST of the garden was forbidden. The Tree of Life was the tree God planted in the midst of the garden.
If you choose to believe there were both trees in the midst of the garden, then why did he not ask her WHICH ONE? And how would she know which one to eat of?
Take a look at the descriptions of the two trees, the tree of life is the one that gives us godly wisdom, but the forbidden tree was said to make us as gods to know good and evil. So the serpent was able to deceive her because she received her knowledge of God's Word second hand from Adam, for she was not created yet when God warned Adam.
The serpent's deception was that he twisted the purpose of the trees, saying that the tree in the midst, being the tree of life, would make them as gods knowing good and evil, and just like today in the church he seen she was in error of God's Word and did not correct her, leading them to their destruction. So she did not do it in rebellion to be like gods to know good and evil, she ate from the one she thought was allowed, out of error.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
KJV

 

[Sinthesis]

Where is the scripture that says "the tree of life is the one that gives us godly wisdom"?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Where is the scripture that says "the tree of life is the one that gives us godly wisdom"?

What makes you think there is Scripture that says that?

 

[Malachi]

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

First of all there was absolutely no ERROR involved in Eve's disobedience. It was sin, not error, and sin which was deliberately committed. As to "wanting to be like God" that was certainly a factor, but the immediate factors were the three lusts to which all human beings are prone: (1) the lust of the flesh ("the tree was good for food"), (2) the lust of the eyes ("it was pleasant to the eyes") and (3) the pride of life ("desired to make one wise").

As we can see, she only said the tree in the MIDST of the garden was forbidden. The Tree of Life was the tree God planted in the midst of the garden. If you choose to believe there were both trees in the midst of the garden, then why did he not ask her WHICH ONE? And how would she know which one to eat of?

Why do you wish to get into unprofitable speculation? We are not told and we don't need to know.

So the serpent was able to deceive her because she received her knowledge of God's Word second hand from Adam, for she was not created yet when God warned Adam.

Once again, you have a craving for speculation. Why would it be necessary for God to give Eve a direct revelation? If you consider the reason why she was created, and the principle that she would be under Adam's authority, then that should have sufficed for her and for us.

The serpent's deception was that he twisted the purpose of the trees, saying that the tree in the midst, being the tree of life would make them as gods knowing good and evil,..

How did you arrive at this (Edited, Obadiah) conclusion? His deception is clearly laid out in Gen 3:1-4:
1. He changed God's words. God said "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat" (Gen 2:17). That was the only restriction -- the fruit of one tree. Satan perverted that (Gen 3:1)"Yea, hath God said, ye SHALL NOT EAT OF EVERY TREE...?" That was deception #1.
2. He contradicted God's words. God said "Ye shall surely die" (Gen 2:17). Satan said "Ye shall NOT surely die" (Gen 3:3). That was deception #2.
3. He appealed to pride. "Ye shall be as gods" (Gen 3:5). That was deception #3.

So she did not do it in rebellion to be like gods to know good and evil, she ate from the one she thought was allowed, out of error.

(Edited, Tos 2.4, disrespect Obadiah) God tells us that there was no error whatsoever. "She took of the fruit thereof and did eat" (Gen 3:6). That was wilful disobedience, as was Adam's.

(Edited, ToS 2.4, unwanted spiritual advice. Obadiah) Don't forget that Satan himself is the source of the erroneous understading of Scripture because he is the arch-Deceiver.

 

[4afaithfulone]

Where is the scripture that says "the tree of life is the one that gives us godly wisdom"?

So you agree, that wisdom is not the same attributes a knowing good and evil.
Prov 3:13-22
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
KJV
You do understand that the trees are people right? The tree of life that gives us wisdom so that we can live forever is God's Word and the tree of good and evil is non other than the devil himself who is the father of all who reject God's Word to LIVE BY.

Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
KJV

 

[Sinthesis]

What makes you think there is Scripture that says that?

I don't, but 4afaithfulone asserted it in post #8 and it is key to his argument. It seems to me to conflict with:

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[Sinthesis]

So you agree, that wisdom is not the same attributes a knowing good and evil.
Prov 3:13-22
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
KJV
You do understand that the trees are people right? The tree of life that gives us wisdom so that we can live forever is God's Word and the tree of good and evil is non other than the devil himself who is the father of all who reject God's Word to LIVE BY.

Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
KJV

So where is the scripture that says "the tree of life is the one that gives us godly wisdom" as opposed to eternal life?

 

[4afaithfulone]

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

First of all there was absolutely no ERROR involved in Eve's disobedience. It was sin, not error, and sin which was deliberately committed. As to "wanting to be like God" that was certainly a factor, but the immediate factors were the three lusts to which all human beings are prone: (1) the lust of the flesh ("the tree was good for food"), (2) the lust of the eyes ("it was pleasant to the eyes") and (3) the pride of life ("desired to make one wise").

As we can see, she only said the tree in the MIDST of the garden was forbidden. The Tree of Life was the tree God planted in the midst of the garden. If you choose to believe there were both trees in the midst of the garden, then why did he not ask her WHICH ONE? And how would she know which one to eat of?

Why do you wish to get into unprofitable speculation? We are not told and we don't need to know.

So the serpent was able to deceive her because she received her knowledge of God's Word second hand from Adam, for she was not created yet when God warned Adam.

Once again, you have a craving for speculation. Why would it be necessary for God to give Eve a direct revelation? If you consider the reason why she was created, and the principle that she would be under Adam's authority, then that should have sufficed for her and for us.

The serpent's deception was that he twisted the purpose of the trees, saying that the tree in the midst, being the tree of life would make them as gods knowing good and evil,..

How did you arrive at this (Edited, Obadiah) conclusion? His deception is clearly laid out in Gen 3:1-4:
1. He changed God's words. God said "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat" (Gen 2:17). That was the only restriction -- the fruit of one tree. Satan perverted that (Gen 3:1)"Yea, hath God said, ye SHALL NOT EAT OF EVERY TREE...?" That was deception #1.
2. He contradicted God's words. God said "Ye shall surely die" (Gen 2:17). Satan said "Ye shall NOT surely die" (Gen 3:3). That was deception #2.
3. He appealed to pride. "Ye shall be as gods" (Gen 3:5). That was deception #3.

So she did not do it in rebellion to be like gods to know good and evil, she ate from the one she thought was allowed, out of error.

(Edited, Tos 2.4, disrespect Obadiah) God tells us that there was no error whatsoever. "She took of the fruit thereof and did eat" (Gen 3:6). That was wilful disobedience, as was Adam's.

(Edited, ToS 2.4, unwanted spiritual advice. Obadiah) Don't forget that Satan himself is the source of the erroneous understading of Scripture because he is the arch-Deceiver.

(Edited, ToS 2.4 personal insults. Obadiah)
Wisdom of God, just as Solomon sought,has nothing to do with the tree of the knowledge or learning how to look good outwardly but evil inwardly as fallen man became. (Edited, ToS 2.4 personal insults. Obadiah) The Eunach did not receive the baptisim of the Holy Ghost for he also made the error and wanting a man to teach him. It is only God who can reveal His Word to us. Jesus told Peter, BECAUSE you did not get your understanding of who I am from MAN, but from my Father who is in heaven... This is the foundation that the true church as to be built upon Not man's finite understanding.

 

[poetofparables]

So you agree, that wisdom is not the same attributes a knowing good and evil.
Prov 3:13-22
13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:
22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
KJV
You do understand that the trees are people right? The tree of life that gives us wisdom so that we can live forever is God's Word and the tree of good and evil is non other than the devil himself who is the father of all who reject God's Word to LIVE BY.

Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
KJV

Hi 4faithful,

I'm finding it hard to follow your thoughts in this thread.

 

[childeye]

I find the dialogue here intriguing, particularly the part where 4faithful remarks about the two trees being "people". Given that there are higher powers over us, such as implied by the use of the phrase "the body of Christ", it is understandable how the trees can be perceived as differing chains of command or power. But getting back to the op, I would like to say that rebellion is error. The error being that when a person accepts a false and corrupt image of God as proposed by the serpent, then rebellion becomes reasonable and justifiable to the one who is deceived.