[_ Old Earth _] Was Jesus an ape?

[Dave Slayer]

Was Jesus an ape? Many believe that humans are apes. If that is so, would it be correct to say that Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of man was an ape? Is Jesus an ape now? Moreover, if Jesus and the Father are one, does that make God an ape?

 

[lordkalvan]

Was Jesus an ape? Many believe that humans are apes. If that is so, would it be correct to say that Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of man was an ape? Is Jesus an ape now? Moreover, if Jesus and the Father are one, does that make God an ape?

Would you have a problem with that?

 

[jasoncran]

Was Jesus an ape? Many believe that humans are apes. If that is so, would it be correct to say that Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of man was an ape? Is Jesus an ape now? Moreover, if Jesus and the Father are one, does that make God an ape?

Would you have a problem with that?

yes, think of the law giver the old,but goodie, original planet of the apes with Charles Heston!

Ape shall not kill Ape! now has a new meaning!

jsdon

 

[Barbarian]

That movie had everything backwards. But not the way most people think. Gorillas are the gentlest of great apes, and chimps are the most aggressive. And orangutans are not the smartest, even aside from humans.

 

[VenomFangX]

In the human form Jesus was an ape like you and me; in his ascended spiritual form he was the holy spirit.
yours
VFX

 

[jasoncran]

i'm curious since you accept evolution as means of god's way creating the earth and life on it. Does he exist beyond the time line and have infinite knowledge and what if he doesnt return until several million yrs, and we as species die out whom did (what species of apes did jesus save then?) after all adam and eve are homo sapiens not whatever species comes next. So if jesus is and must be the near kinsmen redeemer to all of man then how does that work out.

the lineage of david is important to biblical prophecy.

jason

 

[VenomFangX]

Does he exist beyond the time line and have infinite knowledge and what if he doesnt return until several million yrs, and we as species die out whom did (what species of apes did jesus save then?)

You cannot ask me those questions which are in the realm of the metaphysical, but it is certain the human species will die out or evolve, Not all evolution is positive but there is evidence of reversals, or even divergent evolution. It is likely that after the last Homo sapien has passed there may be other hominid creatures who may look like us and also have Gods blessing. As far as Adam and Eve I think the reference which most people understand is metaphorical and not fact: many perceive it as a kind of nice story. If you think of the Earth in those days as being much smaller in size and referenced to a geographical location such as the middle east somewhere, it is likely there was a couple to whom we refer to as Adam and Eve, where the tribes of Canaan originated from. That does not suggest an Adam and Eve for the whole human species: to think otherwise is a little unrealistic and goes against scientific evidence. Apply locally and not globally. I think this explains the lineage of David, which as you stated is central to the bible. The Torah which the old Testament is based on is a Jewish book written for a small section of the globe , that is around Egypt and Isreal, not one for the whole world we know exists today.
yours

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[jasoncran]

Does he exist beyond the time line and have infinite knowledge and what if he doesnt return until several million yrs, and we as species die out whom did (what species of apes did jesus save then?)

You cannot ask me those questions which are in the realm of the metaphysical, but it is certain the human species will die out or evolve, Not all evolution is positive but there is evidence of reversals, or even divergent evolution. It is likely that after the last Homo sapien has passed there may be other hominid creatures who may look like us and also have Gods blessing. As far as Adam and Eve I think the reference which most people understand is metaphorical and not fact: many perceive it as a kind of nice story. If you think of the Earth in those days as being much smaller in size and referenced to a geographical location such as the middle east somewhere, it is likely there was a couple to whom we refer to as Adam and Eve, where the tribes of Canaan originated from. That does not suggest an Adam and Eve for the whole human species: to think otherwise is a little unrealistic and goes against scientific evidence. Apply locally and not globally. I think this explains the lineage of David, which as you stated is central to the bible. The Torah which the old Testament is based on is a Jewish book written for a small section of the globe , that is around Egypt and Isreal, not one for the whole world we know exists today.
yours
that's what i thought ,God is bigger then we can ever imangine or are capable of understanding. If we could explain alll that is and was that the Lord did and how he did it. He wouldnt be the creatior of the universe. no, i'm not against science but i believe in the bible and that it is innerant. Faith alone only will please him not the intellectual understanding of what jesus is. Satan knows who Jesus is and will be cast in to hell and destroyed.
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[VenomFangX]

You make Satan seem like Sauron in the Lord of the Rings trilogy with his will, power and malice in the one ring which was finally destroyed in the fires of Mt Doom, by no less than a Hobbit.
I think of God as being in a higher realm than scientific endeavour, but that does mean believing in magic either, however, I but do try and explain events local to the period when the bible was written.
yours

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[jasoncran]

You make Satan seem like Sauron in the Lord of the Rings trilogy with his will, power and malice in the one ring which was finally destroyed in the fires of Mt Doom, by no less than a Hobbit.
I think of God as being in a higher realm than scientific endeavour, but that does mean believing in magic either, however, I but do try and explain events local to the period when the bible was written.
yours

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where do you think tolkein got that idea from. you simply cant explain god totally, if you could then you could become one and God would be no different than the ancients in the stargate franchise, humans the seeded the universe then evolved into higher plane energy with the abilites to manipulate the laws of physics to their will.

 

[VenomFangX]

Hey maybe the Wraith have a good side to them, You are correct many writers use the concept of good and evil to entrap us into their movies and TV sitcoms.
VFX

 

[jasoncran]

Hey maybe the Wraith have a good side to them, You are correct many writers use the concept of good and evil to entrap us into their movies and TV sitcoms.
VFX

glad to have a fellow lover of stargate here, i hated the way the sci-fi ended atlantis. sgu starts next week.

still i will miss lantia

 

[jasoncran]

i always liked todd.

 

[VenomFangX]

totopic totopic

 

[Sir Pwn4lot]

If you're saying that he came down as a human then yes, his body was an ape lol.

Most people are just discouraged because "YOU APE!" has come to mean that you're stupid or ugly in our society.

 

[Brokendoll]

If you're saying that he came down as a human then yes, his body was an ape lol.

Most people are just discouraged because "YOU APE!" has come to mean that you're stupid or ugly in our society.

Which is a bit silly since "ape" is just a distinction of genus (more accurately the genus pan). And yes, anatomically, evolutionary and genetically, we -are- apes for all intents and purposes. We have, however, somewhat illogically, given ourself the genus homo, which simply means "man".Hence, homo Sapiens means "wise man" or "wise human", in my opinion a somewhat pretentious title... :D


Cheers

Brokendoll

 

[azlan88]

I really just want to come out and say this. I think that some Christians believe in evolution because they have a lack of faith in the Biblical creation. Perhaps some Christians are turned off to the idea of the earth having been created in 6 days, in which case its debated whether the word "day" represented "phase" or span of so many ungiven number of years. But that brings me to an interesting question. Does that mean that for some Christians, evolution is more believable to them than God's devine providence?
Finally, it seems to me that evolution is contradictory to scripture in a way, because God said that we humans have dominion over every animal on the earth. So if we humans are just evolved monkies, than that passage is contradictory to itself. So either the Bible is flawed, or evolution is a joke. That's just my two cents.

 

[Barbarian]

I really just want to come out and say this. I think that some Christians believe in evolution because they have a lack of faith in the Biblical creation.

If one has faith in God, one is willing to accept the way He did creation. Since Genesis itself rules out YE creationism, and since nothing in Genesis is contrary to evolution, why not just accepted the way He chose to do it?

Perhaps some Christians are turned off to the idea of the earth having been created in 6 days, in which case its debated whether the word "day" represented "phase" or span of so many ungiven number of years. But that brings me to an interesting question. Does that mean that for some Christians, evolution is more believable to them than God's devine providence?

"Divine Providence" is not the same thing as interpreting Genesis as a literal history.

Finally, it seems to me that evolution is contradictory to scripture in a way, because God said that we humans have dominion over every animal on the earth.

Why would you be offended if He did that by evolution?

So if we humans are just evolved monkies,

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys. Monkeys are far too evolved in a different direction to have given rise to humans. We are evolved primates, however.

God and His creation are completely compatible. Learn about it and you'll no longer be troubled.

 

[azlan88]

Because we are supposedly evolved primates, you cannot say that we're not animals by ancestry. That is contradictory to scripture because we are given dominion over animals. Besides, why is it so hard for you to believe that God created everything by hand in a particular order without blindly letting evolution make everything by chance? Evolution itself suggests that God did not take loving care and attentiveness in the creation process, and that is contrary to the character of God. Is it not written, "...the skyes proclaim the work of His hands"? (Psalm 19:1)

 

[lordkalvan]

Because we are supposedly evolved primates, you cannot say that we're not animals by ancestry. That is contradictory to scripture because we are given dominion over animals.

Why does this preclude humanity also being an animal?

Besides, why is it so hard for you to believe that God created everything by hand in a particular order without blindly letting evolution make everything by chance?

Because the evidence tends to support the latter hypothesis and not the former.

Evolution itself suggests that God did not take loving care and attentiveness in the creation process, and that is contrary to the character of God. Is it not written, "...the skyes proclaim the work of His hands"? (Psalm 19:1)

Evolution says nothing at all about God's 'loving care and attentiveness', it is judgmentally neutral.