Bible Study Was Jesus Crucified on Friday?

[Webers_Home]

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Now that we've established Sunday as the third day, it's child's play to deduce the other two as Saturday and Friday. Consequently; the three nights are Saturday night, Friday night, and Thursday night.

That was the easy part. The real challenge is finding where the sabbaths fit in.

I say sabbaths plural because of the sabbaths indigenous to Passover week: one that begins with Passover night, and one that wraps up Passover week on the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Failure to factor in the first of Passover week's sabbaths inevitably leads people to count only the normal seventh-day sabbath; and that blunder forces them to settle on Friday as crucifixion day; which of course is untenable because there's only two nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning.

The sabbaths of Passover week float; viz: they're regulated by Moses' religious calendar instead of a civil calendar. As a consequence, Passover week's sabbaths can, and often do, occur on random days of the week which sometimes results in two consecutive sabbaths back to back.

That very situation occurred in 2001 and 2008. Passover fell on Sunday. So pious Israelites had to observe two sabbaths in a row those years— the regular seventh-day sabbath which began Friday night, followed immediately by Passover's sabbath which began Saturday night. At the end of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; they did it all over again.

Passover's sabbaths are "high" days. In other words: Passover's sabbaths are special sabbaths as opposed to the regular seventh-day sabbath which can be considered simply a weekly routine. Other examples of special sabbaths are Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets.

Since the Lord's religious calendar was a full 24 hours ahead of the Jews' religious calendar, his own Passover sabbath began with Wednesday night while the Jews' Passover sabbath began with Thursday night. If not for John's gospel; we wouldn't know that because the other three follow the Lord's religious calendar while only John follows the Jews' religious calendar. People unaware of the difference are sometimes perplexed wondering why John's chronology contradicts the chronologies in the so-called synoptic gospels.

Cliff
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[tim-from-pa]

AS I often say on these types of threads, all confusion can be eradicated if we simply understand that Christ did his work according to the feasts days of Jehovah prophesied and stated in Leviticus 23. He not only did his work according to those feasts, but on the actual date of the feast.

Look, it's quite simple, and I'll let everyone else figure this out.

1) The Passover Lamb was slain late on Nisan 14 --- this represents Christ crucified at that time.
2) Nisan 15 at sundown was the start of Unleavened Bread. This represents the sinless body of Christ Interred as this week long festival represents the Christian coming out of his life of sin just as the Israelites came out of Egypt. So, therefore, Christ was interred at sundown as the 15th of Nisan was starting.
3) He said he'd be in the tomb (starting at interment) for 3 days and 3 nights. That time span covers 3 calendar days. So, 15+3=18th of Nisan.
4) The next feast is the feast of Firstfruits which fell "on the morrow after the Sabbath" (Sunday). Contextual comparing shows that the Lord intended this to be the weekly Sabbath as opposed to the annual Sabbath. Firstfruits represents Christ rising from the dead. So, by logical deduction we know that Sunday fell on the 18th of Nisan (Saturday night as the sun set by our calendar reckoning).

Now..... as the teachers used to say, let's put on our thinking caps.

He died late the 14th. Interred for the start of the 15th, arisen 3 days later at the start of the 18th.

If Sunday is the 18th, then work backwards and see for yourselves which day of the week the 14th fell on, and that is indisputably his crucifixion day.

 

[Osgiliath]

The Jews measured time inclusively. Any part of a year, month or day was counted as a whole unit of time. Recall how Tiberius came to power about 2 months before Tishri 1 (the beginning of a new civil year for Jews), yet Luke counted those 2 months as a whole year. (Luke 3:1) Likewise, if someone came to your home on Monday and left on Tuesday, they would measure the time that person stayed in your home to be 2 days and 2 nights – Monday and Tuesday – even though the actual time was less than 24 hours.

Because part of a day is dark, and part of a day is light, any part of 2 days was called "2 days and 2 nights." This explains how Jesus could be dead for 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:40), even though the Bible says the Father resurrected Jesus on – not after – the 3rd day (Acts 10:40), which was Sunday - the 1st day of the week. (John 20:1-5) Using inclusive counting, Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights: Friday, Sabbath, and Sunday. However, He was crucified on Friday afternoon, rested in the Tomb on the Sabbath, and resurrected on Sunday. The total number of hours that Jesus was dead was less than 40 hours (2 hours on Friday afternoon, 24 hours on the Sabbath, and 10 to 12 hours on Sunday).

 

[Webers_Home]

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Because part of a day is dark, and part of a day is light

You are thinking in terms of 24-hour calendar days; which is a big mistake. According to the creator's definitions, there is no darkness in any part of a day. In point of fact, the circumstances of day and night are distinct and have nothing in common.

†. Gen 1:4-5a . . God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.

Your theory does an okay job of finding three days; but where is your theory's third night?

Cliff
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[stovebolts]

AS I often say on these types of threads, all confusion can be eradicated if we simply understand that Christ did his work according to the feasts days of Jehovah prophesied and stated in Leviticus 23. He not only did his work according to those feasts, but on the actual date of the feast.

Look, it's quite simple, and I'll let everyone else figure this out.

1) The Passover Lamb was slain late on Nisan 14 --- this represents Christ crucified at that time.
2) Nisan 15 at sundown was the start of Unleavened Bread. This represents the sinless body of Christ Interred as this week long festival represents the Christian coming out of his life of sin just as the Israelites came out of Egypt. So, therefore, Christ was interred at sundown as the 15th of Nisan was starting.
3) He said he'd be in the tomb (starting at interment) for 3 days and 3 nights. That time span covers 3 calendar days. So, 15+3=18th of Nisan.
4) The next feast is the feast of Firstfruits which fell "on the morrow after the Sabbath" (Sunday). Contextual comparing shows that the Lord intended this to be the weekly Sabbath as opposed to the annual Sabbath. Firstfruits represents Christ rising from the dead. So, by logical deduction we know that Sunday fell on the 18th of Nisan (Saturday night as the sun set by our calendar reckoning).

Now..... as the teachers used to say, let's put on our thinking caps.

He died late the 14th. Interred for the start of the 15th, arisen 3 days later at the start of the 18th.

If Sunday is the 18th, then work backwards and see for yourselves which day of the week the 14th fell on, and that is indisputably his crucifixion day.

Hi Tim,
That's the way I understand it.

 

[tim-from-pa]

The Jews measured time inclusively. Any part of a year, month or day was counted as a whole unit of time. Recall how Tiberius came to power about 2 months before Tishri 1 (the beginning of a new civil year for Jews), yet Luke counted those 2 months as a whole year. (Luke 3:1) Likewise, if someone came to your home on Monday and left on Tuesday, they would measure the time that person stayed in your home to be 2 days and 2 nights – Monday and Tuesday – even though the actual time was less than 24 hours.

Because part of a day is dark, and part of a day is light, any part of 2 days was called "2 days and 2 nights." This explains how Jesus could be dead for 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:40), even though the Bible says the Father resurrected Jesus on – not after – the 3rd day (Acts 10:40), which was Sunday - the 1st day of the week. (John 20:1-5) Using inclusive counting, Jesus was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights: Friday, Sabbath, and Sunday. However, He was crucified on Friday afternoon, rested in the Tomb on the Sabbath, and resurrected on Sunday. The total number of hours that Jesus was dead was less than 40 hours (2 hours on Friday afternoon, 24 hours on the Sabbath, and 10 to 12 hours on Sunday).

Definition of Inclusive Reckoning: n. An elaborate theological term that basically justifies bad mathematics.

Go back to my post #22 and figure it all out based on feast days, regardless of what Jews, disciples or anyone says, or one thinks they say. Man's judgment and understanding has nothing to do with God's timing. God ordained feast days for a reason, regardless of what the most schooled theologian thinks. Otherwise, what I am saying is that sometimes people twist scripture to make 10 pounds of fudge fit into a 5 pound bag just to preserve their cherished traditions.

 

[Osgiliath]

Originally posted from tim-from-pa

Definition of Inclusive Reckoning: n. An elaborate theological term that basically justifies bad mathematics.

Go back to my post #22 and figure it all out based on feast days, regardless of what Jews, disciples or anyone says, or one thinks they say. Man's judgment and understanding has nothing to do with God's timing. God ordained feast days for a reason, regardless of what the most schooled theologian thinks. Otherwise, what I am saying is that sometimes people twist scripture to make 10 pounds of fudge fit into a 5 pound bag just to preserve their cherished traditions.

Well first of all, I never said that method of counting was good mathematics

And yes, God ordained feast days for a reason regardless of what man thinks. That being said, you are missing a big part of the picture, and are simply wrong. But the truth is; most people are wrong concerning this, so no worries ;)

Jesus and His disciples observed Passover according to the new moon calendar which verifies that Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover together on Thursday night at midnight. (i.e. - God's calendar the night precedes the light.) We know that God required the Jews to slay the Passover lamb near sundown on Nisan 14. (Exodus 12:6) In this case, the disciples killed the paschal lamb about sundown on Wednesday afternoon and at midnight on Thursday, Nisan 15, Jesus and His disciples then celebrated the Passover.

Mark 14:16 clearly states that Jesus ate the Passover with His disciples before going to His death. The sequence of events went like this: Jesus ate the Passover on Thursday night. On Thursday (the light part of Thursday follows the night part of Thursday) Jesus spent the day with His disciples on the Mount of Olives. (Mark 14:26) As Friday night settled in, Jesus and three disciples went into the Garden of Gethsemane. (Mark 14:32) Jesus was arrested that night while in the garden. His trial began that night and lasted until morning on Friday. He was crucified about 9 a.m. and died around 3 p.m. (Mark 15:25, 34) About the time Jesus died, the Jews celebrated the slaying of the national Passover lamb at the temple (when the veil was torn from top to bottom). The Jews went home from the temple to kill their own Passover lambs so that they could observe the feast at midnight (Nisan 15). Sabbath night comes before Sabbath light, so the Jews ate Passover on Sabbath night (or Friday night).

The Bible clearly indicates two Passovers were celebrated during the year that Jesus was crucified. It would be absurd and ignorant to presume the Creator did not know the true time for Passover. Actually, Jesus' actions affirm what is Truth, for He is the Truth. (John 14:6) Jesus correctly observed Passover with His disciples in the upper room on Thursday night, the 15th day of Nisan – using God's synchrony for determining monthly cycles.

The Jews abandoned God’s "new moon" synchrony for determining the beginning of a new month during the Babylonian captivity. In its place, they adopted the Babylonian method of sighting the first crescent of a new moon to determine the beginning of a month; thus, the Jewish nation synchronized Nisan 1, with the sighting of the first crescent of a new moon at the time of Christ.

The Bible indicates that Jesus and His disciples observed Passover according to the "new moon" calendar, even though the nation of Israel observed its corporate Passover according to the Babylonian method for starting a new month. (Mark 14; John 13) Depending on the visibility afforded by weather and the position of the Sun and the orbit of the moon, the first sighting of the crescent of a new moon in Jerusalem occurs between sixteen and forty hours after conjunction. Since it is impossible to precisely determine when the crescent of a new moon was sighted in A.D. 30, we have to let Bible facts help put the pieces together. The following facts determine the correct date: 1) since the sighting of the new moon crescent usually occurs two days after a new moon; 2) since Jesus was arrested on the night after He ate the Passover with His disciples; and 3) since the Jews observed Nisan 15 on a seventh-day Sabbath the year of Christ’s death (John 19:14-31), these facts indicate Nisan 1 (using the Babylonian calendar) had to occur on Sabbath (March 25), and the death of Jesus occurred on Nisan 14 (Friday, April 7, 30 A.D.)

Why would the Bible not indicate there was anything unusual about Jesus eating Passover or beginning the Feast of Unleavened Bread at a time that was not in harmony with the national Passover? (Compare Matthew 26:17 with Mark 14:12.) Why doesn't the Bible offer any justification for killing the Passover lamb on late Wednesday afternoon and eating the Passover on Thursday night, even though the national Passover lamb was killed two days later on Friday? With a little research, we find that John dated the Passion week of Jesus with the Babylonian Calendar (John 12) and Mark used the New Moon Calendar. (Mark 14) This explains why there is an apparent conflict between some of the things Mark and John wrote. Being aware of which calendar they are using, the writings of Mark and John are in perfect harmony. Again, the Jews observed Nisan 15 on the seventh-day Sabbath the year of Christ’s death (John 19:14-31), which CAN ONLY MEAN that Nisan 1 (using the Babylonian calendar) had to occur on Sabbath (March 25), and the death of Jesus occurred on Nisan 14 (Friday, April 7, 30 A.D.)

So,

Jesus Ate Passover Thursday Night, Nisan 15, A.D. 30 – using the New Moon Calendar

AND

Jesus Was Crucified Friday Afternoon, Nisan 14, A.D. 30 – using the First Crescent Calendar

See where the confusion is? Though this really doesn't clear up the 3 days and 3 nights, much of the problems with the chronology of Passion Week come from that very misunderstanding.

So now, let's talk about "bad mathematics." The death of Jesus occurred on Friday afternoon, Nisan 14 (Sabbath/Saturday was only 2 hours away); He was in the tomb on Nisan 15, during the Sabbath/Saturday (24 hours); and He rose on Nisan 16, Sunday (10-12 hours into Sunday).

That's 38 hours Timmy! Regardless of how you want to define "inclusive reckoning," this is how they counted, and this is how Jesus could be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights - even though the actual time was less than 40 hours. This is why your method of "reckoning" is wrong, and the ancients method of "inclusive reckoning" (though it may be bad mathematics) is right :p

 

[tim-from-pa]

Well first of all, I never said that method of counting was good mathematics

And yes, God ordained feast days for a reason regardless of what man thinks. That being said, you are missing a big part of the picture, and are simply wrong. But the truth is; most people are wrong concerning this, so no worries ;)

Jesus and His disciples observed Passover according to the new moon calendar which verifies that Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover together on Thursday night at midnight. (i.e. - God's calendar the night precedes the light.) We know that God required the Jews to slay the Passover lamb near sundown on Nisan 14. (Exodus 12:6) In this case, the disciples killed the paschal lamb about sundown on Wednesday afternoon and at midnight on Thursday, Nisan 15, Jesus and His disciples then celebrated the Passover.

Mark 14:16 clearly states that Jesus ate the Passover with His disciples before going to His death. The sequence of events went like this: Jesus ate the Passover on Thursday night. On Thursday (the light part of Thursday follows the night part of Thursday) Jesus spent the day with His disciples on the Mount of Olives. (Mark 14:26) As Friday night settled in, Jesus and three disciples went into the Garden of Gethsemane. (Mark 14:32) Jesus was arrested that night while in the garden. His trial began that night and lasted until morning on Friday. He was crucified about 9 a.m. and died around 3 p.m. (Mark 15:25, 34) About the time Jesus died, the Jews celebrated the slaying of the national Passover lamb at the temple (when the veil was torn from top to bottom). The Jews went home from the temple to kill their own Passover lambs so that they could observe the feast at midnight (Nisan 15). Sabbath night comes before Sabbath light, so the Jews ate Passover on Sabbath night (or Friday night).

The Bible clearly indicates two Passovers were celebrated during the year that Jesus was crucified. It would be absurd and ignorant to presume the Creator did not know the true time for Passover. Actually, Jesus' actions affirm what is Truth, for He is the Truth. (John 14:6) Jesus correctly observed Passover with His disciples in the upper room on Thursday night, the 15th day of Nisan – using God's synchrony for determining monthly cycles.

The Jews abandoned God’s "new moon" synchrony for determining the beginning of a new month during the Babylonian captivity. In its place, they adopted the Babylonian method of sighting the first crescent of a new moon to determine the beginning of a month; thus, the Jewish nation synchronized Nisan 1, with the sighting of the first crescent of a new moon at the time of Christ.

The Bible indicates that Jesus and His disciples observed Passover according to the "new moon" calendar, even though the nation of Israel observed its corporate Passover according to the Babylonian method for starting a new month. (Mark 14; John 13) Depending on the visibility afforded by weather and the position of the Sun and the orbit of the moon, the first sighting of the crescent of a new moon in Jerusalem occurs between sixteen and forty hours after conjunction. Since it is impossible to precisely determine when the crescent of a new moon was sighted in A.D. 30, we have to let Bible facts help put the pieces together. The following facts determine the correct date: 1) since the sighting of the new moon crescent usually occurs two days after a new moon; 2) since Jesus was arrested on the night after He ate the Passover with His disciples; and 3) since the Jews observed Nisan 15 on a seventh-day Sabbath the year of Christ’s death (John 19:14-31), these facts indicate Nisan 1 (using the Babylonian calendar) had to occur on Sabbath (March 25), and the death of Jesus occurred on Nisan 14 (Friday, April 7, 30 A.D.)

Why would the Bible not indicate there was anything unusual about Jesus eating Passover or beginning the Feast of Unleavened Bread at a time that was not in harmony with the national Passover? (Compare Matthew 26:17 with Mark 14:12.) Why doesn't the Bible offer any justification for killing the Passover lamb on late Wednesday afternoon and eating the Passover on Thursday night, even though the national Passover lamb was killed two days later on Friday? With a little research, we find that John dated the Passion week of Jesus with the Babylonian Calendar (John 12) and Mark used the New Moon Calendar. (Mark 14) This explains why there is an apparent conflict between some of the things Mark and John wrote. Being aware of which calendar they are using, the writings of Mark and John are in perfect harmony. Again, the Jews observed Nisan 15 on the seventh-day Sabbath the year of Christ’s death (John 19:14-31), which CAN ONLY MEAN that Nisan 1 (using the Babylonian calendar) had to occur on Sabbath (March 25), and the death of Jesus occurred on Nisan 14 (Friday, April 7, 30 A.D.)

So,

Jesus Ate Passover Thursday Night, Nisan 15, A.D. 30 – using the New Moon Calendar

AND

Jesus Was Crucified Friday Afternoon, Nisan 14, A.D. 30 – using the First Crescent Calendar

See where the confusion is? Though this really doesn't clear up the 3 days and 3 nights, much of the problems with the chronology of Passion Week come from that very misunderstanding.

So now, let's talk about "bad mathematics." The death of Jesus occurred on Friday afternoon, Nisan 14 (Sabbath/Saturday was only 2 hours away); He was in the tomb on Nisan 15, during the Sabbath/Saturday (24 hours); and He rose on Nisan 16, Sunday (10-12 hours into Sunday).

That's 38 hours Timmy! Regardless of how you want to define "inclusive reckoning," this is how they counted, and this is how Jesus could be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights - even though the actual time was less than 40 hours. This is why your method of "reckoning" is wrong, and the ancients method of "inclusive reckoning" (though it may be bad mathematics) is right :p

Your reasoning is more crooked than a corkscrew, but I guess it's like I said ---- 10 pounds of fudge in a 5 pound bag. Enjoy another bottle of wine tonight.

 

[Osgiliath]

Well, a lot of people criticize things when they don't understand them (and for your information, I'm an astrophysicist, so my math ain't too shabby). Anyway, the Bible is very clear on the matter, and instead of being condescending, wouldn't it be more constructive to do further research for a better understanding? It's a shame that so many Christians would rather be a know-it-all about Jesus, rather than being a reflection of Christ's character.

Anyway, Since I anticipated the confusion, I made a nice little table on iWorks (keynote) last night just for you guys (for real), so don’t ever say I never thought about you LOL ;). The chronology of the whole week is shown in the table, and all of the Scripture references from all 4 Gospels thoroughly document the progression of the week.

I can’t seem to upload pictures here, so I’ve provided a link. All the link does is send you to my public dropbox gallery page, and it’s only the two pictures that show the table for the Passion Week. I hope you enjoy - God Bless.

https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/48377905/1/Two Passovers?h=8348d6

 

[Webers_Home]

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It isn't necessary to be an astrophysicist in order to figure out the chronology of crucifixion week. All that's necessary is 3rd grade arithmetic in order to easily calculate that it is impossible to produce three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning as per the creator's definitions of Day and Night in the very beginning of the Bible.

†. Gen 1:4-5a . . God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.

So then, according to the testimony of creation's God as a credible expert witness in matters pertaining to light and dark: three days and three nights consists of three periods when the sun is up, and three periods when the sun is down.

That element of crucifixion week is immutable to any Sunday school kid with at least a Forrest Gump's IQ. But when people toss aside the dictates of creation's God and begin dictating their own definitions of Day and Night. then they end up fabricating some very irrational theories; in other words; they begin to exhibit the behavior of chronologists afflicted with mental illness.

Cliff
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[tim-from-pa]

Yeah, mentioning that one is an astrophysicist is a subtle form of pride that is basically saying, I'm more educated so what I say goes. No, it's what the bible says, and the Lord did everything on the feast days.

There were some problems with the analysis:

1) The mention that new moon is visible anywhere from 16-40 hours after conjunction. There was the mention that they are not sure when the new moon was sighted. Well, in the spring the ecliptic makes a steep angle with the horizon, so it did not take 40 hours after new moon to sight it then, and not even 2 days as was stated. That's for sure. I would think an astrophysicist would know that and not even mention it.

2) By the same person's admission, the lunar sighting calendar was such that Jesus was crucified on Nisan 15,---- now if the lunar is God's true calendar that Jesus supposedly went by, then he would have died a day earlier since the lambs were sacrificed late Nisan 14.

3) Also it was admitted that the 3 days and 3 nights was not answered in the proposed timeline, and so inclusive reckoning nonsense was then employed.

And I could find more I suppose if I looked more.

This theory has more holes than Swiss cheese. Look. I know when I see a crock and I don't like being hoodwinked. Even a child understands that Friday until Sunday is not a full 3 days and 3 nights as that is the first question they ask regarding the traditional time spans and then they are fed the same crock.

The Friday - Sunday is based on the Easter pagan religion and like Christmas, they became Christianized so people try to convolute scripture to fit the pagan imitations. There's actually characters out there that try to prove Jesus was born on December 25th as well because they can't give up their paganism. Yeah, the sun of God was born then, but not the son.

 

[Osgiliath]

Oh geez LOL. Tradition and religion can be so blinding. Can anyone make a table that can refute the table I have presented that can Biblically demonstrate something else chronologically? Let's see something precise that aligns with God's Word; I would like to see that ;) Theory and tradition are the very same thing that killed our Savior. Enough folks; just the facts Ma'am.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Can anyone make a table that can refute the table I have presented that can Biblically demonstrate something else chronologically?

There's no need to construct a table when yours has a fatal flaw— it fails to account for the Lord's third night in the tomb.

Cliff
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[tim-from-pa]

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There's no need to construct a table when yours has a fatal flaw— it fails to account for the Lord's third night in the tomb.

Cliff
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I agree. Plus when I looked at them it has Jesus fulfilling the feasts on the Babylonian calendar. No, it has to be according to God's calendar on His days, not Babylonian days. And needless to say, is not a full 3 calendar days from burial just after his death until resurrection. A "night and day" consists of one calendar day, so if Jesus said "three days and three nights" that's 3 calendar days. I am really totally puzzled why adding three is so complicated that we have to make charts (although I can just as easily post a chart of my time line as well, but it's unnecessary)

Besides, this obsession with Friday has to do with the goddess Freyja worship, Isis and Isthar and all that Easter stuff which is where we get it from. Then they try to contort the bible to fit these imitation feasts. Getting closer to Christmas, which has Baal worship involved, that's what brought it to my mind.

 

[Webers_Home]

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A "night and day" consists of one calendar day, so if Jesus said "three days and three nights" that's 3 calendar days. I am really totally puzzled why adding three is so complicated that we have to make charts

It is precisely the rather curious inability of supposedly educated adults to perform simple arithmetic that prompted my previous remarks about mental illness and Forrest Gump.

I'm reminded of a really amusing line from the movie Margin Call where Jeremy Irons' character requests one of his firm's risk assessment analysts to explain their impending financial apocalypse as if he were speaking to a small child; or a golden retriever. In other words; if Christians need complicated charts to assist their minds to perform 3rd grade arithmetic; then I'd have to say they have a bigger problem with the gospel than Jeremy Irons' firm does with over-pushed leverage and toxic CDO's (collateralized debt obligations).

Cliff
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[Codger]

For centuries Christians have celebrated ‘Good Friday’ as the day Jesus died. No one disputed it; the early church agreed with it; the gospel stated it. Here is a statement from Justin Martyr about AD150.


And here is the earliest gospel account.


So, it was the day of preparation before Saturday, ie. Friday, or was it?

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The simple answer is "NO." as far as I can tell He was crucified on Wednesday the 14th of Nissan 29AD. This was also the acceptable year of the Lord the 29th Jubilee.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]I finally studied this issue for myself and easily discovered that my first big mistake was in accepting the idea that the Sabbath recorded was the weekly Sabbath. This is what the synoptics would indicate. The Gospel ofJohn was written much later than the synoptics and John added several accounts not recorded before. He also clarified the term Sabbath by adding a short four letter word, which was "HIGH." It was a high Sabbath that the Disciples were rushing to avoid – not the weekly Sabbath.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The fact that it was a “high†Sabbath means that you can add a day or two to the chronology in order to account for the required three days and three nights. A high Sabbath could come on any day of the week. A high Sabbath was not like the weekly Sabbath in that you could do lightwork, which was prohibited on the weekly Sabbath. The high Sabbath in this case fell on Thursday the 15th of Nissan. This was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. And it began at 8:01PM just afterJesus had been interred. 8:00PM would be the theoretical end ofWednesday the 14th.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Here is my list of events for the week of the crucifixion.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]John 19:31 (NASB)[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Friday April 9th- Preparation for the weekly Sabbath [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Saturday April 10th - Weekly Sabbath[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Sunday April 11thTriumphal Entry [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Monday April 12th[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Tuesday April13th [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The normal evening sacrifice (Tamid) was conducted at 2:30PM on the 13th. On this day it was moved back to 1:30PM to allow more time for the slaughter of thousands of lambs. So this happened from say 2:00PM until 8:00pm. All 24 courses (24 each) of Priests assisted in the slaughter - bucket brigade style. The lambs were to be roasted, which must have taken several hours and then the Passover could be celebrated. This was late at night maybe around 10:00 or later. So the day changed at 8:01PM and we were into the 14th day.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The Jewish day changed when the first three medium stars appeared in the sky at dusk. For the purpose of this post, I will use an estimated 8:00PM for the day change. 8:00PM would be the last minute of the day and 8:01PM would be the first minute of the following day. A bit confusing I must say.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Wednesday April14 – Passover - High Sabbath Prep - Crucifixion[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Passover day was the day of preparation for the feast of Unleavened Bread. So on the 14th, which began at 8:01PM - the lamb was roasted, the Passover celebrated, and later that night Jesus was arrested, tried, and crucified - he died around 3:00PM on the afternoon of Wednesday the 14th. Some of his followers had to rush to get him from the cross to a nearby tomb before the high Sabbath began, which was about to happen at 8:01PM - beginning the 15th day, which was the High Sabbath or the first day of the feast of unleavened bread.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Matthew 12:40(NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]...for just as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEAMONSTER, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Mark 9:31 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, "The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later." [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Combining these two verses would indicate that he would rise again at the very end of the three days and three nights. He was interred very close to the beginning of Thursday the 15th at 8:01PM.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Thursday April 15 - High Sabbath (John 19:31)[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Thursday 8:01PM until Friday 8:01 is one night of 12 hours and one day of 12 hours.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Friday April 16th[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Friday 8:01PM until Saturday (weekly Sabbath) 8:01PM[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]One 12 hour night and one 12 hour day.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Saturday April17th[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]From Saturday 8:01PM until Sunday 8:01PM[/FONT]

One 12 hour night and one 12 hour day.

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Sunday April 18th - he had already arose from the dead.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]When his followers arrived Sunday morning (First day of the week) he had already arose. The record does not say exactly when he arose – just at the end of the three days and nights. So the end of the three days and nights would be at 8:01PM Sunday. This would be the beginning of Sunday in the evening. So there is a gap of about 12 hours from the time he arose until the followers visited his tomb say at 8:00AM Sunday.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]If you want to start counting from the time of his death of 3:00PM then just deduct 5 hours from the gap of 12 hours, which means the end of the three days would have occurred (when he arose) on Saturday afternoon at 3:00PM. It works either way with either 12 or 7 hours to spare before his tomb was discovered to be empty. [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]This is the minimum number of days added to account for the three full days. I added two to make it come out right. [/FONT]

 

[tim-from-pa]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The simple answer is "NO." as far as I can tell He was crucified on Wednesday the 14th of Nissan 29AD. This was also the acceptable year of the Lord the 29th Jubilee.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]I finally studied this issue for myself and easily discovered that my first big mistake was in accepting the idea that the Sabbath recorded was the weekly Sabbath. This is what the synoptics would indicate. The Gospel ofJohn was written much later than the synoptics and John added several accounts not recorded before. He also clarified the term Sabbath by adding a short four letter word, which was "HIGH." It was a high Sabbath that the Disciples were rushing to avoid – not the weekly Sabbath.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The fact that it was a “high†Sabbath means that you can add a day or two to the chronology in order to account for the required three days and three nights. A high Sabbath could come on any day of the week. A high Sabbath was not like the weekly Sabbath in that you could do lightwork, which was prohibited on the weekly Sabbath. The high Sabbath in this case fell on Thursday the 15th of Nissan. This was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. And it began at 8:01PM just afterJesus had been interred. 8:00PM would be the theoretical end ofWednesday the 14th.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Here is my list of events for the week of the crucifixion.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]John 19:31 (NASB)[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Friday April 9th- Preparation for the weekly Sabbath [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Saturday April 10th - Weekly Sabbath[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Sunday April 11thTriumphal Entry [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Monday April 12th[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Tuesday April13th [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The normal evening sacrifice (Tamid) was conducted at 2:30PM on the 13th. On this day it was moved back to 1:30PM to allow more time for the slaughter of thousands of lambs. So this happened from say 2:00PM until 8:00pm. All 24 courses (24 each) of Priests assisted in the slaughter - bucket brigade style. The lambs were to be roasted, which must have taken several hours and then the Passover could be celebrated. This was late at night maybe around 10:00 or later. So the day changed at 8:01PM and we were into the 14th day.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]The Jewish day changed when the first three medium stars appeared in the sky at dusk. For the purpose of this post, I will use an estimated 8:00PM for the day change. 8:00PM would be the last minute of the day and 8:01PM would be the first minute of the following day. A bit confusing I must say.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Wednesday April14 – Passover - High Sabbath Prep - Crucifixion[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Passover day was the day of preparation for the feast of Unleavened Bread. So on the 14th, which began at 8:01PM - the lamb was roasted, the Passover celebrated, and later that night Jesus was arrested, tried, and crucified - he died around 3:00PM on the afternoon of Wednesday the 14th. Some of his followers had to rush to get him from the cross to a nearby tomb before the high Sabbath began, which was about to happen at 8:01PM - beginning the 15th day, which was the High Sabbath or the first day of the feast of unleavened bread.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Matthew 12:40(NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]...for just as Jonah was THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEAMONSTER, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Mark 9:31 (NASB) [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, "The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later." [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Combining these two verses would indicate that he would rise again at the very end of the three days and three nights. He was interred very close to the beginning of Thursday the 15th at 8:01PM.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Thursday April 15 - High Sabbath (John 19:31)[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Thursday 8:01PM until Friday 8:01 is one night of 12 hours and one day of 12 hours.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Friday April 16th[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Friday 8:01PM until Saturday (weekly Sabbath) 8:01PM[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]One 12 hour night and one 12 hour day.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Saturday April17th[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]From Saturday 8:01PM until Sunday 8:01PM[/FONT]

One 12 hour night and one 12 hour day.

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]Sunday April 18th - he had already arose from the dead.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]When his followers arrived Sunday morning (First day of the week) he had already arose. The record does not say exactly when he arose – just at the end of the three days and nights. So the end of the three days and nights would be at 8:01PM Sunday. This would be the beginning of Sunday in the evening. So there is a gap of about 12 hours from the time he arose until the followers visited his tomb say at 8:00AM Sunday.[/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]If you want to start counting from the time of his death of 3:00PM then just deduct 5 hours from the gap of 12 hours, which means the end of the three days would have occurred (when he arose) on Saturday afternoon at 3:00PM. It works either way with either 12 or 7 hours to spare before his tomb was discovered to be empty. [/FONT]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS, cursive]This is the minimum number of days added to account for the three full days. I added two to make it come out right. [/FONT]

OK, first of all, I am a man after truth, so just because someone agrees with what I believe does not automatically have me endorse their stance if something does not calculate out right just so that I have someone "on my side". I have some issues with your 29AD dates. The dates you propose for Passover do not coincide with full moon. Whatever year the Lord died, it has to be whatever year the Full moon occurred on Nisan 14-15th on a Wednesday-Thursday. Yours does not work out that way.

The issue in this thread is what day of the week he was crucified, and using feast days as I have pointed out shows that it was on a Wednesday, as you also agree to. However, this has nothing to do with the year. The year is then determined by whatever year the Passover fell on a Wednesday --- so the belief in the Wednesday crucifixion determines the year in other words.

If you are going to cite a certain year, then make sure the Jewish calendar agrees with what you are saying. For me, I personally believe it was 34AD, because that years shows Nisan 14 occurring on a Wednesday. Most theologians cited 30Ad, and then switched to 33AD with further historical evidence, but that was a Friday.

I use not only historical evidence, but eclipses, the astronomical position in Revelation 12, and the chronograph of the Great Pyramid (God's Word in Stone (Isaiah 19:19). I still may be wrong, but at least 34AD fits better than what I saw all other scholarly criteria fit. The other proposed years do not fit all the criteria, and indeed, many do not even accept what I do as legitimate criteria, but that's their problem, not mine just because they do not know better.

 

[Codger]

OK, first of all, I am a man after truth, so just because someone agrees with what I believe does not automatically have me endorse their stance if something does not calculate out right just so that I have someone "on my side". I have some issues with your 29AD dates. The dates you propose for Passover do not coincide with full moon. Whatever year the Lord died, it has to be whatever year the Full moon occurred on Nisan 14-15th on a Wednesday-Thursday. Yours does not work out that way.

The issue in this thread is what day of the week he was crucified, and using feast days as I have pointed out shows that it was on a Wednesday, as you also agree to. However, this has nothing to do with the year. The year is then determined by whatever year the Passover fell on a Wednesday --- so the belief in the Wednesday crucifixion determines the year in other words.

If you are going to cite a certain year, then make sure the Jewish calendar agrees with what you are saying. For me, I personally believe it was 34AD, because that years shows Nisan 14 occurring on a Wednesday. Most theologians cited 30Ad, and then switched to 33AD with further historical evidence, but that was a Friday.

I use not only historical evidence, but eclipses, the astronomical position in Revelation 12, and the chronograph of the Great Pyramid (God's Word in Stone (Isaiah 19:19). I still may be wrong, but at least 34AD fits better than what I saw all other scholarly criteria fit. The other proposed years do not fit all the criteria, and indeed, many do not even accept what I do as legitimate criteria, but that's their problem, not mine just because they do not know better.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is errant. First of all the Sanhedrin made up the calendar as they went along - there was no fixed calendar like we have today. They were using a Lunar calendar not a Solar calendar. They had spotters who observed the moon for the slightest sliver of the new moon. When the beginning of a new moon was detected a crew was sent to build a huge bonfire on top of the Mount of Olives. This signal was observed in other cities and they too built bonfires and so the appearance of the new moon was passed throughout the whole nation and beyond.

This means that The first day of the month always coincided with the new moon. Passover was always celebrated on the 14th of the month. This is half way through the moon's cycle, which means that Passover always fell on a full moon every year. There is an 11 day difference between the solar calendar and the luner calendar per year. They adjusted the Luner year to the Solar year by adding a 13th month (second Adar) every three years. They had to do so because certain feasts - like Firstfruits - coincided with harvest time.

I don't know what year Jesus was crucified. I chose the year 29 simply because it was the year of the 29th Jubilee. It seems fitting that God would set the captives free in this year. Some say that the Jewish calendar has up to 175 years of errors in it. I don't have any confidence in today's charts because there is no record anywhere of the history of the calendar. They don't match.

 

[tim-from-pa]

This means that The first day of the month always coincided with the new moon. Passover was always celebrated on the 14th of the month. This is half way through the moon's cycle, which means that Passover always fell on a full moon every year. There is an 11 day difference between the solar calendar and the luner calendar per year. They adjusted the Luner year to the Solar year by adding a 13th month (second Adar) every three years. They had to do so because certain feasts - like Firstfruits - coincided with harvest time.

Exactly. That's what I said. But your proposed date in the year 29AD does not coincide with a full moon at that time, which is required for Passover. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Codger]

Exactly. That's what I said. But your proposed date in the year 29AD does not coincide with a full moon at that time, which is required for Passover. That's all I'm saying.

The problem is that you are trying to overlay a perfect 21st century computer generated solar calendar over history to identify certain days in ancient Jewish history. Can't do it because the calendar was composed on the fly by the Sanhedrin. This highly massaged calendar does not match and there is no historical record of their calendar.

The Sanhedrin had to continually adjust their Lunar calendar to the Solar calendar to compensate for the annual 11 day difference between the two. The Jewish Lunar year was 354 days long. They made a major correction every three years. So you had two years at 354 days and then they added an additional month of 29 days (Second Adar) to the end of the third year, so the third year had 383 days. The three year average is now 364 days per year - 1 day X 3 years = 3 days of uncorrected error per three year cycle. Theoretically, you would need to add another full month at the end of each 9 cycles of three. And then it still isn't exact. And we haven't considered the added complication of leap year.

Another complication was because of the uneven difference between the Solar year and the Lunar year - the Sanhedrin sometimes added extra days at the beginning of the month in order to allow more time for crops to ripen - like the Barley harvest. Adding extra days is not permanent as it only shortens the end of the month because you are operating on a 29 1/2 day Lunar cycle. Permanent adjustments could only be made by adding a full Lunar cycle. When the new moon begins the count or day of the month is delayed for a few days - for example if the beginning of the month is delayed for three days - then the Passover would be held on the 14th as usual, but in reality it would be the 17th and on a completely different day of the week. The month would be shortened by three days.

There is no way to pin point a day in Jewish history.