We need to love the murderer, rapist and mobster!

[Corinth77777]

The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant (Matthew 18:21-35) – Jesus tells a parable about a servant who was forgiven a great debt but refused to forgive a smaller debt owed to him. His lack of mercy led to severe consequences, illustrating how God expects us to extend forgiveness as He does.

Does God forgive without repentance

I can not; it has to be God's work in me. God’s grace is not just about forgiveness—it actively works in our hearts to bring transformation. His kindness and mercy draw us toward repentance, leading us to a renewed life in Him.

Not u in general

 

[follower]

So I tend to be against the death penalty because of mistakes that are made and have been made.
But it also has to exist for some cases.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that some persons should be kept FOREVER out of society.
It's our RIGHT to live a peaceful life without having to worry about being victimized in one way or another.

The Almighty Eternal One, the One Who Created all things, the One Who Gives Life,

gave PERFECT instructions how the people could (and did?) deal with crime/criminals, who should be put to death, who not, and so on. HIS INSTRUCTIONS did not include any jails. Period.

 

[follower]

It’s a hot mess and I don’t see any way to fix it.

Yahweh never says to fix it.

He Does Say , With Yeshua, Always DO what is right.

 

[Elijah7777]

who should be put to death,

Under the law, but we live in the age of grace. If you look at the woman caught in adultery, Jesus said Let he who is without sin throw the first stone. We would all stone each other to death, and there would be no one left. Look at some of the Christian websites. That is exactly what is going on. People are all throwing stones at each other and accusing them without passing judgment on themselves.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Almighty Eternal One, the One Who Created all things, the One Who Gives Life,

gave PERFECT instructions how the people could (and did?) deal with crime/criminals, who should be put to death, who not, and so on. HIS INSTRUCTIONS did not include any jails. Period.

This could be an interesting conversation follower....
God gave instructions on how to deal with crime.
Do you believe each and every law given in the OT was by God Himself?
Could it be that some of those laws were by Moses?

If man is sinful and not perfect...
HOW could we really know whether or not someone is guilty?
Have mistakes never been made?
What if YOU were involved in a crime somehow...but did not COMMIT the crime...
but you were sentenced to death for it?

Death is final and cannot be reversed.
Life is for God to give and to take...
not man.

 

[Elijah7777]

Do you believe each and every law given in the OT was by God Himself?

"Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart; but it was not this way from the beginning." (Matthew 19:8)

 

[GodsGrace]

"Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart; but it was not this way from the beginning." (Matthew 19:8)

Agreed.
Some laws were passed by Moses.
But Jesus corrected some of them.

 

[Elijah7777]

Some laws were passed by Moses.
But Jesus corrected some of them.

Jesus said we are to love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength. Moses said all of our heart, soul and strength. Only Jesus can add to what we learn from Moses. In Deuteronomy Moses said: 15 "The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.'.

ONLY Jesus can add to what we learn from Moses.

In Deuteronomy 6:5, Moses says:

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.”

Jesus, when asked about the greatest commandment, quotes this in Mark 12:30:

“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.”

But Jesus corrected some of them.

 

[Elijah7777]

Does God forgive without repentance

1 Thessalonians 2 16 " In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last."

I wish God would drop the boom on us from the beginning so we would quit sinning. But he waits, even we think we are going to get away with it. But the day comes when we have a price to pay for our sin.

We eat fast food and everything is fine. But then 15 years later the doctor is putting in stints and ballons to try to get rid of the blood clots.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus said we are to love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength. Moses said all of our heart, soul and strength. Only Jesus can add to what we learn from Moses. In Deuteronomy Moses said: 15 "The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.'.

ONLY Jesus can add to what we learn from Moses.

In Deuteronomy 6:5, Moses says:




Jesus, when asked about the greatest commandment, quotes this in Mark 12:30:

I guess I don't understand your point Elijah.
Sorry.

 

[Elijah7777]

I guess I don't understand your point Elijah.

The idea that God revealed everything to Moses and that only Jesus could add to it is a theological perspective rooted in biblical teachings. Moses received the Law (Torah), including the Ten Commandments, which formed the foundation of Jewish and Christian traditions.

In Christian belief, Jesus fulfilled the Law, bringing a new covenant based on grace and salvation. He often referenced Moses' teachings but emphasized deeper spiritual truths, such as love, mercy, and faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

The idea that God revealed everything to Moses and that only Jesus could add to it is a theological perspective rooted in biblical teachings. Moses received the Law (Torah), including the Ten Commandments, which formed the foundation of Jewish and Christian traditions.

Jesus didn't ADD to Moses' teachings...
He CHANGED some of them.

Every time Jesus said.
YOU HAVE HEARD IT SAID....

He went ahead and changed something.

Now,,,if you want to believe that a law of GOD taught that if a child
is rebellious,,,he should be brought to the edge of town and stoned to death...
that is your prerogative.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 "If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey * his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them,
19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his hometown.
20 "They shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey * us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.'
21 "Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear.


The Law above this one,,,which you claim is from God Almighty, is pretty interesting too...
I won't post it here.

Personally, I like to believe that Jesus was the ultimate revelation of God and
I see Love and Justice in Him.

In Christian belief, Jesus fulfilled the Law, bringing a new covenant based on grace and salvation. He often referenced Moses' teachings but emphasized deeper spiritual truths, such as love, mercy, and faith.

Agreed.

 

[follower]

20 "They shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey * us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.'
21 "Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear.

In most places on earth this is not permitted any more ...... in some places, similar "justice" is accomplished without the approval of and not needing the approval of the rest of the world.

Where parents are unable to obey, they will suffer shame and disgrace from the life of such a son (or daughter too?) , but God will destroy that which is evil at the proper time Himself. (i.e. sometimes before, sometimes after the resurrection of the guilty ones unredeemed.

 

[follower]

If man is sinful and not perfect...
HOW could we really know whether or not someone is guilty?

Simply what Yahweh Says. His Perfect Judgement. His Determination.

Man is sinful. Man is guilty.

 

[GodsGrace]

In most places on earth this is not permitted any more ...... in some places, similar "justice" is accomplished without the approval of and not needing the approval of the rest of the world.

Where parents are unable to obey, they will suffer shame and disgrace from the life of such a son (or daughter too?) , but God will destroy that which is evil at the proper time Himself. (i.e. sometimes before, sometimes after the resurrection of the guilty ones unredeemed.

Correct.
This is my point.
God's laws do not change.
The Law of Moses can change.

 

[GodsGrace]

Simply what Yahweh Says. His Perfect Judgement. His Determination.

Man is sinful. Man is guilty.

We were speaking about earthly judgment....
There are human judges and human jurors deciding the faith of persons.
NOT God.

 

[Elijah7777]

Now,,,if you want to believe that a law of GOD taught that if a child
is rebellious,,,he should be brought to the edge of town and stoned to death...
that is your prerogative.

Jesus settled this whole issue with the women caught in adultery. First He wrote on the ground. This means: "It is written". Then He said let those who are without sin throw the first stone. WE are all guilty of death and we should all stone each other. Just as Paul was stoned. So all children would have to be stoned because they are all rebellious. As far as I know everyone dies. Some just live longer than others. I am amazed that I am alive at my age. Although my heart has stopped twice and they had to shock it to get it going again.

 

[GodsGrace]

In most places on earth this is not permitted any more ...... in some places, similar "justice" is accomplished without the approval of and not needing the approval of the rest of the world.

Where parents are unable to obey, they will suffer shame and disgrace from the life of such a son (or daughter too?) , but God will destroy that which is evil at the proper time Himself. (i.e. sometimes before, sometimes after the resurrection of the guilty ones unredeemed.

I'm happy to hear that this is not practiced anymore in most places on earth.

 

[GodsGrace]

Simply what Yahweh Says. His Perfect Judgement. His Determination.

Man is sinful. Man is guilty.

follower....
you're discussing something I'm not discussing.
And never the twian shall meet.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus settled this whole issue with the women caught in adultery. First He wrote on the ground. This means: "It is written". Then He said let those who are without sin throw the first stone. WE are all guilty of death and we should all stone each other. Just as Paul was stoned. So all children would have to be stoned because they are all rebellious. As far as I know everyone dies. Some just live longer than others. I am amazed that I am alive at my age. Although my heart has stopped twice and they had to shock it to get it going again.

Elijah
I don't believe we're speaking of the same topic.

I also am happy to hear that you're still alive at your age.
I wish you a long and pleasant life to come.