Bible Study WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.

[Jethro Bodine]

Does the master's table represent the Kingdom of God? I don't know, never thought of that until this minute.

Dunno. I just knows we'll be eating at it in the kingdom.

I think it represents the Master's abundance.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The woman declared that she believed, by faith, that even though she was a Gentile she could share in the children's bread, just as the puppies ate the crumbs of the children's bread that fell from the master's table. She was very humble in knowing that it was not her birth right or her national right as a member of the nation of Israel.

Add her to the list of gentiles who shamed the children of Israel by their great faith.

 

[Chopper]

The woman declared that she believed, by faith, that even though she was a Gentile she could share in the children's bread, just as the puppies ate the crumbs of the children's bread that fell from the master's table. She was very humble in knowing that it was not her birth right or her national right as a member of the nation of Israel.

Does the master's table represent the Kingdom of God? I don't know, never thought of that until this minute.

Wow, you bring up an interesting observation. I suppose it could refer to the Kingdom, that's good reasoning, very good! Thank you Deb.

 

[Chopper]

April 16th 2015 Matthew 15:29-31 A mountain Of Healing.

Mat 15:29 And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
Mat 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
Mat 15:31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

Our previous study found a Gentile woman pleading with all that she could muster to get Jesus to heal her daughter, where here in this section, there does not seem to be any asking or pleading....Jesus probably went up into the mountain to get a much needed rest but as soon as people heard that He was there, they flocked to Him for healing and to hear His words.

I would imagine that most of those in the crowd were Jewish, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were some Gentiles who had to sneak in to get their healing. When we look at those who were healed, we see things like those who were "maimed" having a limb, hand, or foot miraculously attached where there was none. Wow, talk about the creative ability of the Son of God, this must have astonished the crowd. It's no wonder that they glorified the God of Israel.

 

[Deborah13]

Thank you. I have never investigated this word 'maimed' before and it is VERY important to understand when we defend the idea that the gift of healing does occur today. I have heard it many times, well why can't these people restore missing limbs? I now have what I consider and I ask you and others to consider, that it is only by Creative power this can be done.
Man cannot create anything from nothing and if God were to give this power to a man, God would no longer be the only Creator and omnipotent one.
This is a Major testimony as to who Jesus the Christ is/was, God in the flesh or He would not have been able to create new limbs.
The reason I believe that the word 'maimed' is only talking about missing limbs, and not twisted or crippled limbs, is because of these two scriptures that are the words of our Lord.
Mar 9:43 `And if thy hand may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee maimed to enter into the life, than having the two hands, to go away to the gehenna, to the fire--the unquenchable--
Mat 18:8 `And if thy hand or thy foot doth cause thee to stumble, cut them off and cast from thee; it is good for thee to enter into the life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast to the fire the age-during.

Thank you, Chopper!!

 

[Chopper]

Thank you. I have never investigated this word 'maimed' before and it is VERY important to understand when we defend the idea that the gift of healing does occur today. I have heard it many times, well why can't these people restore missing limbs? I now have what I consider and I ask you and others to consider, that it is only by Creative power this can be done.
Man cannot create anything from nothing and if God were to give this power to a man, God would no longer be the only Creator and omnipotent one.
This is a Major testimony as to who Jesus the Christ is/was, God in the flesh or He would not have been able to create new limbs.
The reason I believe that the word 'maimed' is only talking about missing limbs, and not twisted or crippled limbs, is because of these two scriptures that are the words of our Lord.
Mar 9:43 `And if thy hand may cause thee to stumble, cut it off; it is better for thee maimed to enter into the life, than having the two hands, to go away to the gehenna, to the fire--the unquenchable--
Mat 18:8 `And if thy hand or thy foot doth cause thee to stumble, cut them off and cast from thee; it is good for thee to enter into the life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast to the fire the age-during.

Thank you, Chopper!!

Wow Deb! You sure expanded on that miracle of creation. I wanted to say more about what Jesus did but didn't have the time. Thank you very much for your addition, it was perfect! Home Run for you.

 

[Edward]

Dunno. I just knows we'll be eating at it in the kingdom.
I think it represents the Master's abundance.

Add her to the list of gentiles who shamed the children of Israel by their great faith.

I always thought the Masters Table represented the Kingdom of God. It's a scary thought that if the children of Israel hadn't made such colossal mistakes, that the Gentiles would not have got the scraps from the Masters table.

Thank God for Grace.

 

[Deborah13]

I always thought the Masters Table represented the Kingdom of God. It's a scary thought that if the children of Israel hadn't made such colossal mistakes, that the Gentiles would not have got the scraps from the Masters table.

Thank God for Grace.

It happened just the way the Lord planned it. See Genesis. There wasn't any physical nation of Israel at the time that prophecy was given.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[Edward]

It happened just the way the Lord planned it. See Genesis. There wasn't any physical nation of Israel at the time that prophecy was given.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Yeah good thing the Lord thinks ahead eh?

 

[Chopper]

Add her to the list of gentiles who shamed the children of Israel by their great faith.

Thanks for that remark Jethro, "Add her to the list of gentiles who shamed the children of Israel by their great faith".[/QUOTE]

I have never thought of it that way, but you are absolutely right. I wonder what would happen if all Jews were forced to study just the book of Romans, and do a written survey on the condition of Israel based on Paul's writings. Hmmm

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Thanks for that remark Jethro, "Add her to the list of gentiles who shamed the children of Israel by their great faith".

I also wonder how many of us would have just turned around and walked away empty handed instead of pressing in when Jesus said, " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

It's been a hard lesson for me, but faith doesn't do that. It taps on the windows, it beats on the walls, it rattles the doorknob in persistence and does not take 'no' for an answer in the things of God even when the initial response by God is not positive.

 

[Deborah13]

I also wonder how many of us would have just turned around and walked away empty handed instead of pressing in when Jesus said, " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

It's been a hard lesson for me, but faith doesn't do that. It taps on the windows, it beats on the walls, it rattles the doorknob in persistence and does not take 'no' for an answer in the things of God even when the initial response by God is not positive.

The Lord knows our hearts better than we do. I think for some the resistance and the continued persistence builds up a stronger faith. They are like a light house that withstands the constant battering of waves. They are a Peter who through lack of faith came out stronger than he was before.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think for some the resistance and the continued persistence builds up a stronger faith.

Yes, when faith and patience finally bear fruit it strengthens that faith all the more.

 

[gracenote]

April 16th 2015 Matthew 15:29-31 A mountain Of Healing.

Mat 15:29 And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
Mat 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
Mat 15:31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

Our previous study found a Gentile woman pleading with all that she could muster to get Jesus to heal her daughter, where here in this section, there does not seem to be any asking or pleading....Jesus probably went up into the mountain to get a much needed rest but as soon as people heard that He was there, they flocked to Him for healing and to hear His words.

I would imagine that most of those in the crowd were Jewish, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were some Gentiles who had to sneak in to get their healing. When we look at those who were healed, we see things like those who were "maimed" having a limb, hand, or foot miraculously attached where there was none. Wow, talk about the creative ability of the Son of God, this must have astonished the crowd. It's no wonder that they glorified the God of Israel.

The word, "maim," can mean many things. During the King James era, this actually meant more than one thing. I learned some KJ English growing up as a part of my education in literature from that era.
It may mean what Jesus uses in the "cut off' portion of His teachings, but it may also mean any one of the definitions listed below.
It's actually a very old word, the roots of which stretch back to Old French.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=maim
There it's given more than what I will quote from their listing for the word, "maim."
"c. 1300 maiman, {Middle English}, from Old French {you'll recall how the French Normans invaded England in 1066?} mahaignier, "injure, wound, mutilate, cripple, disarm."
Now, a comma denotes that each item offered as a possible definition could be used.
Which could well mean (altho' I am uncertain) that the passage mentioned may offer us a sense of more than one kind of bodily injury being handled by the Lord then and there.
I don't mean to go all scholarly on anybody here or to seem like a big know-it-all.
I came here to study and learn about the Bible and our Lord and Redeemer.
It's just that, whenever studies with the KJV are happening, I tend to feel less than honorable when I don't use the skills I received while learning some Middle and late Middle English in order to add what understanding I'm able to a discussion.
Middle to late Middle English. That was the English used by the scholars who actually produced the KJV as we know it today.
There is one book of interest to me on my shelf at home that is so beat-up it's a sight! Yet it has added to my studies with languages and their root meanings:
The Story of English.
Hope this won't offend anybody here.

"Results

1. maim
   mām/ injure, wound, cripple, disable, incapacitate, impair, mar, mutilate, lacerate, disfigure, deform, mangle
   "a dog maimed by a coyote

 

[Deborah13]

The word, "maim," can mean many things. During the King James era, this actually meant more than one thing. I learned some KJ English growing up as a part of my education in literature from that era.
It may mean what Jesus uses in the "cut off' portion of His teachings, but it may also mean any one of the definitions listed below.
It's actually a very old word, the roots of which stretch back to Old French.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=maim
There it's given more than what I will quote from their listing for the word, "maim."
"c. 1300 maiman, {Middle English}, from Old French {you'll recall how the French Normans invaded England in 1066?} mahaignier, "injure, wound, mutilate, cripple, disarm."
Now, a comma denotes that each item offered as a possible definition could be used.
Which could well mean (altho' I am uncertain) that the passage mentioned may offer us a sense of more than one kind of bodily injury being handled by the Lord then and there.
I don't mean to go all scholarly on anybody here or to seem like a big know-it-all.
I came here to study and learn about the Bible and our Lord and Redeemer.
It's just that, whenever studies with the KJV are happening, I tend to feel less than honorable when I don't use the skills I received while learning some Middle and late Middle English in order to add what understanding I'm able to a discussion.
Middle to late Middle English. That was the English used by the scholars who actually produced the KJV as we know it today.
There is one book of interest to me on my shelf at home that is so beat-up it's a sight! Yet it has added to my studies with languages and their root meanings:
The Story of English.
Hope this won't offend anybody here.

"Results

1. maim
   mām/ injure, wound, cripple, disable, incapacitate, impair, mar, mutilate, lacerate, disfigure, deform, mangle
   "a dog maimed by a coyote

You don't offend me. But the Bible wasn't written in English and when Jesus describes what maimed meant, 'cut off', I don't see that it matters how it is used in the English language.

 

[gracenote]

What does it mean in t

You don't offend me. But the Bible wasn't written in English and when Jesus describes what maimed meant, 'cut off', I don't see that it matters how it is used in the English language.

Here's the thing.
We do have resources online today. He probably could read and write in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek--any language we might mention from his era. Yet those are not languages commonly read or heard today, at least not daily.
The KJV didn't start out in Middle to late Middle English. You're right where that's concerned.
And I am not saying here that he couldn't or didn't restore a missing limb here or there.
So please do not misunderstand.
I intend for us to discern together the usage of the word, 'maim" during the times in which the KJV was being put into English.
Does he say, "maim" yourself?
In fact, the passage is written without that word. While He does say "cut it off!" that is not the only meaning to the word, "maim" as used when the KJV was actually being put into English.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-30.htm

 

[Chopper]

I also wonder how many of us would have just turned around and walked away empty handed instead of pressing in when Jesus said, " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

It's been a hard lesson for me, but faith doesn't do that. It taps on the windows, it beats on the walls, it rattles the doorknob in persistence and does not take 'no' for an answer in the things of God even when the initial response by God is not positive.

Hey, good one!! Home Run!

 

[Chopper]

April 22nd 2015 Matthew 15:32-39 Where Was Their Faith?

Matthew 15:32 "Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.
Mat 15:33 And his disciples say unto him, Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?
Mat 15:34 And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
Mat 15:35 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground.
Mat 15:36 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
Mat 15:37 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets full.
Mat 15:38 And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children.
Mat 15:39 And he sent away the multitude, and took ship, and came into the coasts of Magdala."

NOTE: Jesus ended His ministry in Jewish regions with the feeding of 5,000. Here, He ended His ministry in Gentile regions by feeding 4,000.

Sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of the disciples. It wasn't long ago that they witnessed Jesus' miraculous feeding of 5,000 men plus women and children. You'd think that they would have responded, Jesus, bless the bread and fish like You did before and there will be more than enough to feed this crowd.

Any thoughts?

 

[gracenote]

April 22nd 2015 Matthew 15:32-39 Where Was Their Faith?

Matthew 15:32 "Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.
Mat 15:33 And his disciples say unto him, Whence should we have so much bread in the wilderness, as to fill so great a multitude?
Mat 15:34 And Jesus saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.
Mat 15:35 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground.
Mat 15:36 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.
Mat 15:37 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken meat that was left seven baskets full.
Mat 15:38 And they that did eat were four thousand men, beside women and children.
Mat 15:39 And he sent away the multitude, and took ship, and came into the coasts of Magdala."

NOTE: Jesus ended His ministry in Jewish regions with the feeding of 5,000. Here, He ended His ministry in Gentile regions by feeding 4,000.

Sometimes I wonder about the intelligence of the disciples. It wasn't long ago that they witnessed Jesus' miraculous feeding of 5,000 men plus women and children. You'd think that they would have responded, Jesus, bless the bread and fish like You did before and there will be more than enough to feed this crowd.

Any thoughts?

Such a question: "Any thoughts?"
Oh, my.
So many, many thoughts. The disciples also didn't stay awake to keep watch, ether, did they?
Even though they witnessed what He was doing, yet they still, some of them, had doubts at times.
Jesus Christ was completely new to many lives in those days.
I've heard His name mentioned all my life, and yet I never was called to truly KNOW Him until a few years back. I'm still working away at what this means.
I cannot imagine, truly, what it would have been like to walk the shores of Galilee with Him in the lead. Probably astounding. Stunning. Amazing. Possibly even confusing at times.
God's the all powerful Father, and His Son a completely faithful Blessed addition to the Trinity.
But do they not confound us sometimes, in that we can't attain that level of wisdom which only God has? Are we not shielded from too much wisdom?
Our brief lives don't afford God much time, yet He somehow manages to make things happen which seem not at all right, even if they turn out great over time.
This discussion is exactly what I'd hoped to find online, with Fellowship. I was feeling more and more drawn to study Matthew once more, and then here you all are!
You can't imagine how pleased this has made me.
God's Blessed Peace through Christ to you

 

[Chopper]

Such a question: "Any thoughts?"
Oh, my.
So many, many thoughts. The disciples also didn't stay awake to keep watch, ether, did they?
Even though they witnessed what He was doing, yet they still, some of them, had doubts at times.
Jesus Christ was completely new to many lives in those days.
I've heard His name mentioned all my life, and yet I never was called to truly KNOW Him until a few years back. I'm still working away at what this means.
I cannot imagine, truly, what it would have been like to walk the shores of Galilee with Him in the lead. Probably astounding. Stunning. Amazing. Possibly even confusing at times.
God's the all powerful Father, and His Son a completely faithful Blessed addition to the Trinity.
But do they not confound us sometimes, in that we can't attain that level of wisdom which only God has? Are we not shielded from too much wisdom?
Our brief lives don't afford God much time, yet He somehow manages to make things happen which seem not at all right, even if they turn out great over time.
This discussion is exactly what I'd hoped to find online, with Fellowship. I was feeling more and more drawn to study Matthew once more, and then here you all are!
You can't imagine how pleased this has made me.
God's Blessed Peace through Christ to you

Thank you my new friend gracenote. Those were great thoughts. Thank you for "I can only imagine" that is one of my favorite's and that made my day!