I'm a Christian who is gay and is curious about the general consensus on the subject of the gay Christian. I was already banned earlier today by "Christian Chat" for asking this. Hoping I can get some BIBLICAL answers about this contentious subject. Looking forward to hearing from you all.
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What about the LGBTQ+ Christian?
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I can DM you if you want. It would only make people gang up on me if I answered these in this thread.
Hi, Tenchi. I appreciate your opinion but I have to say that I have read the verses you quoted in the original (Greek) and found that the word translated as "homosexuals" in that verse is defined as men who molested young boys in pagan religious ceremonies, not people like me who know whom they love.
Hello, Taz. Yes, I saw the need to be saved and sanctified and called out to Him. That was a night of reflection and repentance in a county jail cell. My Scripture reference for the acceptance of my lifestyle to God is I Corinthians 6:11, "...but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were glorified...." That sounds to me as if I am acceptable to the LORD even though I am homosexual. What are your thoughts?
citrus
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The genome project proves there is no gay gene. It's a choice. LGBTQ community is a cult. I think under the unforgivable umbrella is not only cannibalism and sex change, sex trafficking ect. Anything that blasphemy the holy spirit. I firmly stand to it. Yes Jesus can also free people from demons, but not if it is their will to keep them. So people like Hitler will not be in heaven either.
Hello and Happy Thanksgiving, my brother. I am a fair student of the Scriptures and am curious where you found the verse(s) about homosexual behavior being a sin and needing repentance. I do not mean to sound obnoxious over this subject and I apologize for being so earlier. It's just that it is such a contentious subject.
citrus
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I think partial on sex change
I think they might by the skin of their teeth, but who would challenge God that way. I don't know if it set in stone, but it's slim. God hates perversion. There is only so much he tolerates and we have to face him. He's not going to put up with it forever
I think they might by the skin of their teeth, but who would challenge God that way. I don't know if it set in stone, but it's slim. God hates perversion. There is only so much he tolerates and we have to face him. He's not going to put up with it forever
I want to emphasize that I do not believe it is a sin to have homosexual inclinations or feelings. We all experience lusts in different ways both sexually and otherwise. So, to address your question I suggest taking a look at the following and note this is probably not an exhaustive list. Also consider looking at the Scripture surrounding these - could mean the whole chapter, book, or Bible as a whole - so you can understand the context.
Genesis 19:1-29. Actually, consider starting with chapter 18.
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Judges 20:22-23
Mark 10:6-9
Romans 1:26-27
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
1 Timothy 1:9-10
Revelation 21:8
Keep in mind that homosexual behavior falls under the definition of "sexually immoral" as does adultery, sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage, bestiality, fornication, and so forth - both homosexually and heterosexually.
Hope this helps.
Tenchi
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Nope. This attempt to squirm around the plain meaning of Scripture just doesn't fly.
Leviticus 18:22
22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Here, Scripture is crystal clear about what sort of sexual sin God condemns as an "abomination." No catamites mentioned, no pagan sexual practices even implied in the verse itself, or its immediate context. The "abomination" is a man lying sexually with a man as one would lie sexually with a woman. That's it. No qualifications, no caveats.
Leviticus 20:13
13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Here, again, a prohibition against homosexual behavior is given. In this instance, there is no mention of pagan temple prostitution, no molestation of young boys, only a flat condemnation of men having sex with each other and a dire penalty to be rendered upon such perversion.
There is also the judgment of God against the sin of Sodom which is described:
Jude 1:7
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
The phrase "strange flesh" refers to unnatural sexual desire, that is, homosexual desire for which the men of Sodom were divinely judged and destroyed by fire. But just in case it isn't yet clear that the Bible condemns sexual interaction between any and all males under any and all circumstances, the apostle Paul adds to the biblical condemnation, not of temple prostitution of young boys, but to homosexuality generally:
Romans 1:24-27
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
No mention of men with boys, or pagan temple practices, only a description of sex between men and the punishment of God upon such activity.
Christ_empowered
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At a certain point one either repents and accepts Jesus Christ on The Lord’s terms…
Or one can continue on perhaps playing church now and then.
Or one can continue on perhaps playing church now and then.
Just a reminder that this forum is not for debating the topics. We only provide answers to questions so be careful here. Giving references to support your answers is fine but make sure it is in the spirit of providing help and not for debating the subject.
Here's the way I look at it. I do not know, understand, speak, read, or write any of the ancient languages. Additionally, I am not a Biblical scholar or scholar of any kind, I am not a theologian or a member of the clergy, and I have no formal Biblical or theological education. For this reason, I am left to trusting in the translations that are available to me. I reference various translations including the NKJV (my favorite), NIV, KJV, ESV, and NASB in order to gain as clear an understanding as practical. Could I be in error? I suppose so.
The NKJV translation was the work of 130 scholars, pastors, and lay Christians.
The NIV translation was the work of 104 scholars from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.
The KJV translation was the work of 47 scholars and clergymen.
The ESV translation was the work of over 100 pastors and scholars.
The NASB translation was the work of over 86 individuals. The goal was to keep as close to word-for-word as possible while also keeping it readable. It is considered one of the more accurate translations available today.
The bottom line is that is there any one individual that is more qualified than all these to translate the original languages? Any one of us, including me, can read a text and come away with a different interpretation than someone else. I personally would not want to attempt splitting hairs with God and I certainly am not qualified to call into question what all of those experts have done. For this reason, I trust the translations and trust that God was involved in their completion.
We must remember too that we are to listen to God by understanding His entire Bible and not just pull certain texts out of context in order to fit our desires or retranslate His word to fit our own ideas. That's easily done. Here's an example from my own past.
When I was in college, I wrote an essay calling many Biblical texts into question and trying to point out what I saw as contradictions. Although my Literature professor disagreed with my assessments, he graded my work as excellent for the purpose of our class study. I know now today that I was way off the mark and now believe without any hesitation that the Bible does not contradict itself. What actually happens is our understanding is incorrect "for now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." (1 Corinthians 13:12 NKJV).
The bottom line is that I guess it is up to you to determine if your understanding of the ancient texts (remember there are many scribed ones found) is more accurate than all the 100's of scholars, theologians, and others that worked for years on the various translations. Ask yourself if you are really understanding the truth or are you making a truth fit your desires.
I once did a study and learned that throughout Scripture there are over 150 references to God declaring who He is and likewise there are over 150 references to God wanting us to "know Him." Not just know of Him or about Him but to know Him in a very personal way.
How well you know Him may be the question you need to ask yourself. I have to remind myself every day for I too am a sinner in need of repentance.
Hey All,
Thanks for responding TravThom. Let's take a look at I Corinthians 6:11.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
"And such were some of you" is past tense. You were that (unrighteous); now you are this (righteous). Paul is addressing believers here, "but ye are washed." He had been talking about their past unrighteousness ( how they were behaving) in this chapter. Now Paul switches to the Corinthians believer's present righteous condition - washed (saved), sanctified (made holy, set apart), justified (cleared from guilt) In the name of Jesus, by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 is not talking about sinful lifestyles being acceptable to God. Paul is addressing repentant sinners; those who have turned from their unrighteous ways. These Corinthians are either no longer practicing, or are struggling to put their past behind them. That is what makes them acceptable now. (By struggling I mean a person who knows what they are doing is wrong, is remorseful for doing it, asks for forgiveness, and tries to get back up and walk their walk.)
There is another forum here called Apologetics. In there, a faith vs. works discussion going on. This is a classic example of what James was writing about.
James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
One of the first works of a living faith is repentance. Part of repentance is the giving up practices that the Holy Spirit convicts us of because it is offensive to God. A living faith reacts with repentance and obedience to the Holy Spirit's conviction.
An unrighteous lifestyle is never acceptable to God TravThom. 1 Corinthians 6:11 does not say homosexuality is an acceptable lifestyle. A repentant obedient lifestyle is acceptable. We have to be honest with ourselves. We are not repentant if we willingly continue in an unacceptable lifestyle that the Bible calls sin.
Now it's your turn to tell me your thoughts TravThom.
Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
One thing I neglected to mention and I apologize for leaving it out.
You can come to God anyway you are. The "whosoever" in John 3:16 means you, me, and anyone else. We come as we are and Jesus does the changes in us through the power of the Holy Spirit, and makes us acceptable to the Father. Let the Holy Spirit guide you. Amen
May God bless,
Taz
Christ_empowered
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I think 
because I was a burned out victim of psychiatry before Jesus saved me…
It helped in a way because I see the value in accepting God on His terms. Scripture tells us that we must die to be born again…
Not patched up properly medicated and sent out to live the same way again.
because I was a burned out victim of psychiatry before Jesus saved me…It helped in a way because I see the value in accepting God on His terms. Scripture tells us that we must die to be born again…
Not patched up properly medicated and sent out to live the same way again.
With all the sexual sins that are in scripture, things that involve no consent or dubious consent - on top of adultery and murder David basically raped or at least coerced Bathsheba for instance* - I think a consensual same sex relationship is the lesser of God's concerns. It's never, ever made sense to me that something that doesn't hurt anyone would be considered worse than sins that actively harm others. The law is based on two things: loving God, loving others. All the sins that exist are going to fall in one of those two categories.
Even if we argue that "well gay marriage displeases God, therefore it's not loving Him", the fact that scripture speaks so poorly of something, idk, kinda tells me that it's not talking about what we think it is. If it was just "gay marriage isn't my plan, so don't do it", why call that something gross and horrible unless you're talking about something that does active harm.
Therefore, the conclusion is that the scripture isn't talking about consensual and loving gay marriage, but something else. (So far as Leviticus, different time, different circumstances.)
I could go into the original Greek and stuff and how our translations are not entirely accurate, and have in previous threads, but frankly with this topic being "hot button", this is not a topic I can do that without being ganged up on. So I'm not going to bother.
Anyone who genuinely wants to know more can always DM me.
Don't quote my post - I will ignore you to death.
*think about it - if you were called to the President's office and he came onto you and said let's jump in bed right now, how would you feel. David was the king.
edit: have included a link to the view on Leviticus from the perspective of Reformed Judaism: https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/338293?lang=bi
Even if we argue that "well gay marriage displeases God, therefore it's not loving Him", the fact that scripture speaks so poorly of something, idk, kinda tells me that it's not talking about what we think it is. If it was just "gay marriage isn't my plan, so don't do it", why call that something gross and horrible unless you're talking about something that does active harm.
Therefore, the conclusion is that the scripture isn't talking about consensual and loving gay marriage, but something else. (So far as Leviticus, different time, different circumstances.)
I could go into the original Greek and stuff and how our translations are not entirely accurate, and have in previous threads, but frankly with this topic being "hot button", this is not a topic I can do that without being ganged up on. So I'm not going to bother.
Anyone who genuinely wants to know more can always DM me.
Don't quote my post - I will ignore you to death.
*think about it - if you were called to the President's office and he came onto you and said let's jump in bed right now, how would you feel. David was the king.
edit: have included a link to the view on Leviticus from the perspective of Reformed Judaism: https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/338293?lang=bi
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Tenchi
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Nowhere does God make consent an escape clause for abominable behavior. He calls a thing sin, first and foremost, because it diverges from His will. To those in whose minds God is very small, this won't seem like reasonable grounds for naming a thing a sin. Who does this shrunken, near-mortal God think He is? If two consenting adults engage in sexual acts that are contrary to His will and design, what's it to Him? Does everything have to be about Him? They love each other, so He should just back off. Blah, blah, blah.
If God is anything like who the Bible reveals Him to be, however, if He is the awesome, fearful, Creator and Sustainer of Everything - galaxy-eating black holes, supernovas, expanses of empty space so vast one could not cross them in a lifetime going at the speed of light, suns of such size millions of our own sun could fit within them - and if our lives continue only by His will and power, as all the universe does, and if God is perfect in His nature, then God's will and way MATTERS. And, boy, does it matter! Nothing matters more, in fact. Only an incredible fool - and a profoundly prideful one at that - would think to challenge His will and way, one who has, in his foolishness, made God very small and himself very large.
Sin produces death. And when one person sins, others looking on are often prompted to follow suit - and suffer the death God promises all sin incurs. Satan also uses the sin of one person in his temptation of another to the same sin, knowing that both are under God's wrathful censure. All who sin are separated from God and have, by their sin, prompted His enmity. The adulterer, or homosexual, or drug dealer, or gossip who invites others to join them in their sin, then, is inviting others into DEATH AND ENMITY WITH GOD. And so, there is no such thing as a "harmless sin."
One thing we can all be sure of, though: the sinner is always far more keen to deny God's obvious condemnation of their sin than the righteous person is to defend it. One doesn't need to defend what is obvious. Though, these days, far into Romans 1:18-22 as we are culturally, this may not be as true. The deluded wicked lose sight of reality pretty quickly, as we're seeing.
If God is anything like who the Bible reveals Him to be, however, if He is the awesome, fearful, Creator and Sustainer of Everything - galaxy-eating black holes, supernovas, expanses of empty space so vast one could not cross them in a lifetime going at the speed of light, suns of such size millions of our own sun could fit within them - and if our lives continue only by His will and power, as all the universe does, and if God is perfect in His nature, then God's will and way MATTERS. And, boy, does it matter! Nothing matters more, in fact. Only an incredible fool - and a profoundly prideful one at that - would think to challenge His will and way, one who has, in his foolishness, made God very small and himself very large.
Sin produces death. And when one person sins, others looking on are often prompted to follow suit - and suffer the death God promises all sin incurs. Satan also uses the sin of one person in his temptation of another to the same sin, knowing that both are under God's wrathful censure. All who sin are separated from God and have, by their sin, prompted His enmity. The adulterer, or homosexual, or drug dealer, or gossip who invites others to join them in their sin, then, is inviting others into DEATH AND ENMITY WITH GOD. And so, there is no such thing as a "harmless sin."
One thing we can all be sure of, though: the sinner is always far more keen to deny God's obvious condemnation of their sin than the righteous person is to defend it. One doesn't need to defend what is obvious. Though, these days, far into Romans 1:18-22 as we are culturally, this may not be as true. The deluded wicked lose sight of reality pretty quickly, as we're seeing.